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I am going to tell you something which is hard to understand but is correct (ready) – The Church does not marry people - People marry people the Church actually awards sacraments as the marriage sacrament and acknowledges some marriages. this is why heterosexual marriage in in Devine law and Natural Law and SSA marriage does not actually exist. Think about it if the Church created marriage there would be no divorce or annulmentsI’m saying that if marriage isn’t a governmental issue, and is rather something defined and performed in churches, those who advocate for same-sex unions to be considered marriage won’t be able to use the state for that purpose.
Plus, it is notable that America, from its founding, wasn’t meant to be a democracy that was ruled by the majority. The word “democracy” was never used in the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, nor any Constitution in any of the US states, and many of the founding fathers, especially Jefferson who saw the tyranny of the majority rear its evil head in the French Revolution, were highly opposed to democracy. Instead, they founded a constitutional republic to secure civil liberties. The founding fathers, although most of them Christian, believed in the separation of Church and state, which in fact had a lot to do with why people came to the new world to begin with. This may be a good topic for a different thread…
First, I’ve been talking mostly about sexual orientation, not sexual behavior.
I said that people who look like they may be homosexual are probably discriminated against.
?? That is a problem, if the person in question can display some unusual behavior to transmit that information then there is a problem by your admission the issue is visible via decisions of the SSAAlso, there are a lot of subtle things that can give one the impression that another is homosexual.
It’s not true that random based statistics cannot be used for something non-random. Social scientists compensate for this by using large sample sizes that represent the particular population well. Looking at the number of persons they looked at (through archival analysis) in this study (uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf ), and the apparent consistency of the results, it seems likely that they probably had a significance level of about p<.001. For those of you who haven’t taken college classes on social science research, that means that the odds of the results being due to chance is about 0.1%.
No, issues are being mixed, normalized data cannot be reverted, which is unrelated to population inferences. The core problem here is the inference that homosexuals are discriminated against (they score like busboys) statistics do not prove that. What statistics show is the population are different ( just as busboys ). Homosexuals make less because they choose to. Heterosexuals make more because they have families and work them self to death for extra money which benefits their family but not the man. If the man did not have the family he would also choose to work less, and then his statistics would match homosexual earnings. (same is true for women)Earnings depend on many variables. The studies I posted tried to control for the greatest variables to isolate it down to one variable, homosexuality. They seemed to have done a reasonable job at that.
I agree that the teachings of the Catholic Church aren’t what causes problems for homosexual persons, but I have seen people use these teachings to justify shunning individuals who experience SSA.
Road to sin! This man was talking about how he benefited greatly from healthy relationships with guy friends (as opposed to boy friends). There may be a lot of problems with therapy intended to change one’s sexual orientation (a lot of which may have to do with motivations behind the therapy), but that doesn’t mean that it is de facto evil to do some things which might alter one’s sexual orientation.
Sexual orientation does not change. Sexual desire is a function of age. Indifference also changes with age and experience. The claims are not legitimateI’ve heard several men with SSA tell me, with much sincerity, that healthy non-sexual bonding with other guys has tremendously helped them emotionally, helped them be chaste, and even (they claim) stimulate a lessening of their sexual attraction to other guys. Even if one is skeptical of the last one, non-sexual bonding with other guys still seems to have tremendously benefited them.
Why not? ---- how about this, it is not a learned behavior and thus it cannot be replaced by a different learning.This is much different from what I’m talking about. I would highly caution anyone who has experienced SSA for more than just a transitory period during adolescence about marrying. Persons who experienced SSA past adolescence, but who claim to have changed their orientation, need to proceed with great caution regarding matrimony. There seems to have been cases where marriage has worked out, but there are many more cases in which it hasn’t (especially if they were pressured into marrying).