Do Homosexuals Have The Equal Rights in the USA?

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I’m saying that if marriage isn’t a governmental issue, and is rather something defined and performed in churches, those who advocate for same-sex unions to be considered marriage won’t be able to use the state for that purpose.

Plus, it is notable that America, from its founding, wasn’t meant to be a democracy that was ruled by the majority. The word “democracy” was never used in the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, nor any Constitution in any of the US states, and many of the founding fathers, especially Jefferson who saw the tyranny of the majority rear its evil head in the French Revolution, were highly opposed to democracy. Instead, they founded a constitutional republic to secure civil liberties. The founding fathers, although most of them Christian, believed in the separation of Church and state, which in fact had a lot to do with why people came to the new world to begin with. This may be a good topic for a different thread…
I am going to tell you something which is hard to understand but is correct (ready) – The Church does not marry people - People marry people the Church actually awards sacraments as the marriage sacrament and acknowledges some marriages. this is why heterosexual marriage in in Devine law and Natural Law and SSA marriage does not actually exist. Think about it if the Church created marriage there would be no divorce or annulments
First, I’ve been talking mostly about sexual orientation, not sexual behavior.
I said that people who look like they may be homosexual are probably discriminated against.
Also, there are a lot of subtle things that can give one the impression that another is homosexual.
?? That is a problem, if the person in question can display some unusual behavior to transmit that information then there is a problem by your admission the issue is visible via decisions of the SSA
It’s not true that random based statistics cannot be used for something non-random. Social scientists compensate for this by using large sample sizes that represent the particular population well. Looking at the number of persons they looked at (through archival analysis) in this study (uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf ), and the apparent consistency of the results, it seems likely that they probably had a significance level of about p<.001. For those of you who haven’t taken college classes on social science research, that means that the odds of the results being due to chance is about 0.1%.
Earnings depend on many variables. The studies I posted tried to control for the greatest variables to isolate it down to one variable, homosexuality. They seemed to have done a reasonable job at that.
No, issues are being mixed, normalized data cannot be reverted, which is unrelated to population inferences. The core problem here is the inference that homosexuals are discriminated against (they score like busboys) statistics do not prove that. What statistics show is the population are different ( just as busboys ). Homosexuals make less because they choose to. Heterosexuals make more because they have families and work them self to death for extra money which benefits their family but not the man. If the man did not have the family he would also choose to work less, and then his statistics would match homosexual earnings. (same is true for women)
I agree that the teachings of the Catholic Church aren’t what causes problems for homosexual persons, but I have seen people use these teachings to justify shunning individuals who experience SSA.
Road to sin! This man was talking about how he benefited greatly from healthy relationships with guy friends (as opposed to boy friends). There may be a lot of problems with therapy intended to change one’s sexual orientation (a lot of which may have to do with motivations behind the therapy), but that doesn’t mean that it is de facto evil to do some things which might alter one’s sexual orientation.
I’ve heard several men with SSA tell me, with much sincerity, that healthy non-sexual bonding with other guys has tremendously helped them emotionally, helped them be chaste, and even (they claim) stimulate a lessening of their sexual attraction to other guys. Even if one is skeptical of the last one, non-sexual bonding with other guys still seems to have tremendously benefited them.
Sexual orientation does not change. Sexual desire is a function of age. Indifference also changes with age and experience. The claims are not legitimate
This is much different from what I’m talking about. I would highly caution anyone who has experienced SSA for more than just a transitory period during adolescence about marrying. Persons who experienced SSA past adolescence, but who claim to have changed their orientation, need to proceed with great caution regarding matrimony. There seems to have been cases where marriage has worked out, but there are many more cases in which it hasn’t (especially if they were pressured into marrying).
Why not? ---- how about this, it is not a learned behavior and thus it cannot be replaced by a different learning.
 
No. No sexual beavior has the same protected status as race, creed, gender or country of national origin.
I agree. Sexual behaviors are not protected. But Orientations are. As long as you substitute ‘behavior’ for ‘orientation’, you argue a parallel discussion because we can’t even agree on terminology.
 
I agree. Sexual behaviors are not protected. But Orientations are. As long as you substitute ‘behavior’ for ‘orientation’, you argue a parallel discussion because we can’t even agree on terminology.
Orientation(if there such a thing) means absolutly nothing unless it is acted upon. If, for instance, I am attracted to neighbors wife a I guily of rape even if i dont act on it??? And, of course, “Orientation” is not a protected class.

Homosexual apologists do everything possible to keep mention of homosexual beahvior out of the debate. That is why they come up with so many euphenisms like"gay" or “Orientation”.
 
Orientation(if there such a thing) means absolutly nothing unless it is acted upon. If, for instance, I am attracted to neighbors wife a I guily of rape even if i dont act on it???

Homosexual apologists do everything possible to keep mention of homosexual beahvior out of the debate. That is why they come up with so many euphenisms like"gay" or “Orientation”.
A chaste homosexual has no need to reveal their struggle with anyone. If they do it is to advance the homosexual act.
 
Unmarried homosexual adult humans have the same rights as others: they may marry an unrelated, unmarried, adult human of the opposite sex. I can only wonder how far this will go if perversions start to be legally recognized.

We have a case of condom distributions in an elementary school in Massachusetts. How long until pedophilia is accepted? If an adult has urges to have sex with children, does he/she have the “right” to marry this child? Maybe the parents can sign rights away and the “spouse” can take care of and live with the child instead.

What about people who love their animals a little too much? Can they marry animals now, get health benefits for their pets, etc.?

What about consenting adults who are related? I’ve read two cases of father and daughters who started living together, ended up having a baby together. If they are “in love” and have “urges” to sleep together, why stop them from getting married?

What about polygamy? Some religions condone this practice, and not all the women are oppressed. Some of them like their big family. Maybe we should allow people to marry more than one person at the same time.
 
Polyamory is moving right along. Instead of finding the truth and defending that, it boils down to whatever I want is right.

polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/

The Dictatorship of Relativism is trying to convince people that virtually any mix and match sexual relationship is OK.

God bless,
Ed
 
I think something that causes lots of problems is that marriage, in the US, is something defined and run by the government. The Catholic Church won’t marry one until one has already received permission from the government to marry. It should be the other way around. One should get married by their church (or enter into some contract if they’re non-theist) but then merely inform the government of the union. I’ve been told that’s how it’s done in Israel.

One could argue that heterosexuality is encouraged by the government by taxes. The government in the US uses taxes for social engineering in many different ways (for example, US taxes encourage people to buy a house). I don’t like any of this, because the only reason to tax should be to raise funds and because I don’t want government defining marriage or telling people what is or isn’t moral.
This is a theocracy. History tells us that theocracies do not work. They end up oppressing people and create genocides.
 
You don’t have any idea what a Theocracy is,do you?
–noun, plural -cies.
1.
a form of government in which god or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
2.
a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.
3.
a commonwealth or state under such a form or system of government.
A theocracy is a government controlled and run by a particular religious group. Laws are then based on the religion of the group, and non members of the religion are not served justly by their government. Going to the Church before the state would be VERY close to theocracy, and violates the separation of church and state that we enjoy in this country.
 
A theocracy is a government controlled and run by a particular religious group. Laws are then based on the religion of the group, and non members of the religion are not served justly by their government. Going to the Church before the state would be VERY close to theocracy, and violates the separation of church and state that we enjoy in this country.
Nice cut n paste of the definition - too bad you don’t understand it The US is less religious than it has been in any time oits history. The fact a society does not consider homosexual behavior to have protected staus does not a Theocracy make
 
As individuals yes, as a model of moral certitude no. Homosexality is inconsistant with the natural progression of the entire animal kingdom, and most especially the human race.
I believe its been proven we all descend from one set of parents, Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

An immoral act is wrong even if everyone does it. An immoral act is wrong even if no one does it.:eek:

Peace
 
Nice cut n paste of the definition - too bad you don’t understand it The US is less religious than it has been in any time oits history. The fact a society does not consider homosexual behavior to have protected staus does not a Theocracy make
I was talking about a requirement of getting your marriage approved by a church before the government.
 
Homosexuals do sort of have equal rights in the US. Depending on state. Because different states have different laws. In theory, everyone has equal rights. But not being able to get “married” (civil partnership ect) or show affection in public does seem to be unequal to the heterosexual population.

There’s also a lot of prejudice regarding homosexuals. And stereotypes. There’s a lack of positive homosexual characters/people in media, instead a lot of homosexual men are seen as predators and women as someone “going through a phase” before settling down and getting married and having kids.

I believe homosexuals are born that way. Who would choose to be a part of a minority?
 
The Church does not marry people - People marry people the Church actually awards sacraments as the marriage sacrament and acknowledges some marriages.
The ministers of the sacrament of Matrimony are the husband and wife. However, for it to be valid, it must be done with permission of the Catholic Church. Non-sacramental marriages (such as when a Catholic marries a non-baptized person), may be done with a dispensation the Catholic Church and be licit. These marriages are valid, natural, marriages (like the marriages in the old testament), although not sacramental.
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I said that people who look like they may be homosexual are probably discriminated against.

Also, there are a lot of subtle things that can give one the impression that another is homosexual.
?? That is a problem, if the person in question can display some unusual behavior to transmit that information then there is a problem by your admission the issue is visible via decisions of the SSA
I’m not necessarily talking about consciously choosing behavior indicates that one has SSA.
No, issues are being mixed, normalized data cannot be reverted, which is unrelated to population inferences. The core problem here is the inference that homosexuals are discriminated against (they score like busboys) statistics do not prove that. What statistics show is the population are different ( just as busboys ). Homosexuals make less because they choose to. Heterosexuals make more because they have families and work them self to death for extra money which benefits their family but not the man. If the man did not have the family he would also choose to work less, and then his statistics would match homosexual earnings. (same is true for women)
So you’re assuming that homosexuals don’t make as much money as people who are just like them in every way except sexual orientation because they choose not to. Them not having families could make some differences, but it seems a little ridiculous to me to assume that that completely explains away a difference of 16% to 28%.

One could conversely argue that many people who don’t have families often immerse themselves more into work, and become workaholics who may sometimes do nothing but make money. For some people work becomes their life because they don’t have much of a life elsewhere.
Orientation(if there such a thing) means absolutly nothing unless it is acted upon. If, for instance, I am attracted to neighbors wife a I guily of rape even if i dont act on it??? And, of course, “Orientation” is not a protected class.
Sexual orientation simply refers to what gender primarily causes a sexual response. I don’t know how that cannot exist (unless one isn’t sexually attracted to anyone).

Also, sexual orientation can greatly effect a person’s life, regardless of whether or not they ever have sex.
A chaste homosexual has no need to reveal their struggle with anyone. If they do it is to advance the homosexual act.
This is a horrible assumption. It baffles me that you seem to actually think that any person who tells another person that he or she experiences SSA is doing so “to advance the homosexual act.”

I don’t want to go on making a list, but a chaste homosexual may have very good reasons for revealing to another person that he or she experiences SSA. James seems to encourage openness among Christians is a good thing in James 5:16, although it’s talking about sin (and experiencing SSA isn’t a sin).

I’ve seen a chaste Catholic, who experiences SSA, reveal to others that he has SSA when he gave a talk on homosexuality from a Catholic perspective. He was doing this in part so that the audience could further understand how he knows what he’s talking about in this regard. Do you honestly think he did this “to advance the homosexual act?”
 
If by equal rights you mean, gay marriage, then no, homosexuals do not have “equal rights” in the USA and they shouldn’t.
 
I wanted to also point out that discrimination against homosexual persons extends much further than the workplace. There has been disproportionate violence directed toward homosexual persons.

books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZWT4I2cTCFIC&oi=fnd&pg=PA19&dq=gays+violence&ots=GNPqYbL6Rm&sig=LswRIWRs5sJdUR0pGgL2Fqisdug#v=onepage&q=gays%20violence&f=false

“Since the birth of the gay liberation movement in the 1960s, a large body of data on anti-gay violence and other victimization has developed. Thousands of episodes—including defimation, harassment, intimidation, assault, murder, vandalism, and othe abuse—have been reported to police departments and local and national organizations (Berrill, 1986; NGLTF, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990; NGLTF Policy Institute, 1991). Many thousands more incidents have gone unreported (see Chapter 18 of this volume by Berrill & Herek). Numerous empirical studies, many of them unpublished, also have shown the problem of anti-gay violence to be widespread.”
 

So you’re assuming that homosexuals don’t make as much money as people who are just like them in every way except sexual orientation because they choose not to. Them not having families could make some differences, but it seems a little ridiculous to me to assume that that completely explains away a difference of 16% to 28%.

One could conversely argue that many people who don’t have families often immerse themselves more into work, and become workaholics who may sometimes do nothing but make money. For some people work becomes their life because they don’t have much of a life elsewhere…
I am not assuming that is the way it works. Wives, homosexuals, and single men are generally freer to walk away from bad deals, excessive deals, and bad bosses, however married men with families have to adjust the decisions based on family needs, and should not focus on their personal needs and desires.
 
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