Do Homosexuals Have The Equal Rights in the USA?

[UnityofTrinity]

Do Homosexuals have the same right as “straight” people? Unless you’re not a Christian or you’re one of those "God hates fag’ fundamentalists, then yes they do have and possess all the rights that all human have that George Washington called “self-evident”.

I know some people often look at gay men and women as sex crave monster, but please remember that not all are like that. Homosexual people are just like us, are just sinners. Their sins are not worse than our sins. Some gays I know have a very spiritual life and they believe in God. Some gay people I know live a very good life. Though they’re sinning, we should not make them look like they’re the highlight of all sins. Are we God that we can judge? Before looking at them we should look at ourselves. Everytime we lie, we have committed a sin just as great as homosexuality. Remember that.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

If you won’t hire somebody because _________ , then yes, you are discriminating. It is okay to discriminate…

Show me where in the Bible it says that. And don’t use Leviticus.

Use the Bible please. Because I’m arguing that the Church is wrong on this, then the catechism is also wrong on this.

*Genesis 2 :

18 The LORD God said: "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him." 19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground various wild animals and various birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each of them would be its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be the suitable partner for the man. 21 So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man, 23 5 the man said: "This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken." 24 6 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body. *

It is clear God did not make another man, he made a woman

 

[bibleguy180]

So you believe morality isn’t in law? Then when a man beats his wife, why is there police there to protect her?

Why was polygamy banned by Congress? Do you realize in states where so-called same-sex marrigae is allowed to teach in public schools that homosexual behavior is okay? How then do you to you explain to your children that the school is wrong? How do you know what exactly the are teaching your children if you are not notified?

It appears there are societal implications once homosexual is legalized. It isn’t simply “let them do what they want and I’ll just do what I want” type of situation.

Most of the people against same sex marriage would be in private schools. Polygamy was banned by congress because it’s against women’s rights and treats them unequally (I think). And why isn’t it a “let them do what they want and I’ll just do what I want” type of situation? What kinds of social implications do you see?

 

[bibleguy180]

*Genesis 2 :

18 The LORD God said: "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a suitable partner for him*." 19 So the LORD God formed out of the ground various wild animals and various birds of the air, and he brought them to the man to see what he would call them; whatever the man called each of them would be its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, all the birds of the air, and all the wild animals; but none proved to be the suitable partner for the man. 21 So the LORD God cast a deep sleep on the man, and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. 22 The LORD God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man, 23 5 the man said: "This one, at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; This one shall be called ‘woman,’ for out of ‘her man’ this one has been taken." 24 6 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife, and the two of them become one body.

It is clear God did not make another man, he made a woman

I already gave up on and apologized for arguing against the Church

 

[ERose]

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But I don’t think Gays are asking for special rights, but they are asking for civil rights that are not allowed right now.

Yes they are. And this is not a civil rights issue for all we are talking about is a group of people who are wanting to be classified as a minority because of what they do in bed. In my opinion this is a insult to the civil rights movement in this country.

—Let’s replace the word ‘homosexuals’ with ‘Catholic’, because gays are just ordinary people. The statement reads

“Are there people who get beat up because they are Catholic? Yes. But quite honestly people get beat up in this country and any other country because of all kinds of reasons. Catholics are not getting beat up more than most.”

I have been persecuted because of being Catholic and there are Catholics getting killed in other countries due to their beliefs. I am not advocating gay bashing. All hate crimes should be persecuted in the same way. But if I a Catholic get beat up because of being Catholic whould not get the same press as a gay man getting beat up becuase he is gay.

—As far as a slippery slope argument goes, the whole “if we let gays get married where does it stop” is silly. Polygamy was legitamized in the old testiment!

What is your point. It wasn’t legitamized in the OT but rather it identified as a behavior at the time and laws were placed around them. Jesus corrected this in His teachings.

—Where did you get %1? How many people in America are for Gay marriage?

Most legitimate polls show that those who participate in same-sex sex is under 2% of the population and probably less than 1%. This is not what is being thrown around by the gay proproganda machine which wants to make people believe that every one in four people are either gay or have gay tendencies.

 

[BobObob]

The discrimination you are discussing in outside of the legal realm and into the general realm thus it not fitting for this thread.

The original poster, in the original post, asked:

• Are homosexuals marginalized in society? (ie, freedom of expression)
  How and where if at all?

If homosexuals are not being hired merely because they are homosexual, wouldn’t that pertain to the above question? What if they are beaten for being homosexual?

Bob lots of problems here, I am not sure where to start but let’s start here:
Discrimination - looking for and recognizing differences.
Unlawful discrimination - actions which violate the law by using an illegal form of discrimination which is to exclude or include a protected class of people based on their protected status.

Now bus boys earn less than CEOs so does that prove discrimination? is it illegal? ANSWERS are NO and NO. CEOs earn more by performing a higher valued service, CEOs are not a legally protected class, bus boys are not a legally protected class. This concept that people who work less, or perform less valuable duties are paid less proves discrimination exists is a false concept.

Lets, for a moment, forget civil law. Some discrimination is morally wrong regardless of civil law.

Is it morally acceptable that someone with more responsibilities (say, a CEO) is given a much higher salary than someone like a bus boy? Yes. Is it morally acceptable for a Catholic to drive a homosexual away from Christ by giving him a lower pay than one would had he not been homosexual? No! A person’s soul is too valuable.

The man in the latter half of the following video, who came out of a life of sexual sin, explains how there is a love war. He says that Christians are loosing by driving homosexuals away, while the only people homosexuals feel actually love them are gay activists.

youtube.com/watch?v=74y5v6M5wZ0

More evidence of unjust discrimination:

books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZWT4I2cTCFIC&oi=fnd&pg=PA76&ots=GNPs-8E5Qk&sig=0Sr0LSa_wKajdOVT8a9wNqh6Mng#v=onepage&q&f=false
books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZWT4I2cTCFIC&oi=fnd&pg=PP13&ots=GNPs-8E4Vg&sig=xvVLIATDhEtN_-Ejwbszubbd27o#v=onepage&q&f=false
books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=u9g7Eldl0CQC&oi=fnd&pg=PA188&ots=gj0mT98b-s&sig=G62zzJwy0K62EpHCY_hJb5m6qdE#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[Texas_Roofer]

The original poster, in the original post, asked:

Actually, the poster asked "Have The Equal Rights"  he then made a personal comment about others and claimed discrimination is moral in ***our*** minds.  His personal comment is wrong, at least about me and most catholics I know.  Yes SSAs have "Equal Rights"

If homosexuals are not being hired merely because they are homosexual, wouldn’t that pertain to the above question? What if they are beaten for being homosexual?:

How do employers know who is gay??? If you bring that up in the interview may be a lack of wisdom cost you the job?

Lets, for a moment, forget civil law. Some discrimination is morally wrong regardless of civil law.

Is it morally acceptable that someone with more responsibilities (say, a CEO) is given a much higher salary than someone like a bus boy? Yes. Is it morally acceptable for a Catholic to drive a homosexual away from Christ by giving him a lower pay than one would had he not been homosexual? No! A person’s soul is too valuable.:

Can you accept the possiblity of the bus boy being homosexual?, would that make heterosexual CEOs racists?(could their be any other possiblity). Proper catholics do not drive homosexuals in any way, shape, form, or direction why do you think they do?

The man in the latter half of the following video, who came out of a life of sexual sin, explains how there is a love war. He says that Christians are loosing by driving homosexuals away, while the only people homosexuals feel actually love them are gay activists.

This is dangerous ground and I advise you to think more before you sign on to reprobate therapy, I consider reprobate therapy immoral.

hope that helps you understand

 

[BobObob]

Actually, the poster asked “Have The Equal Rights” he then made a personal comment about others and claimed discrimination is moral in our minds.

The fact that in the OP he raised the question of homosexuals being marginalized by society as something to think about tells me that that’s at least partly what this thread was meant to be about. Perhaps if the OP is reading this he can correct me if I’m wrong.

BobObob;6849153:

If homosexuals are not being hired merely because they are homosexual, wouldn’t that pertain to the above question? What if they are beaten for being homosexual?

How do employers know who is gay??? If you bring that up in the interview may be a lack of wisdom cost you the job?

There are several ways an employer may come to the conclusion that one is gay. It could be due simply to the appearance of being gay. Others reasons may have to do with the social environment of the workplace (perhaps general discussions of relationships and other related parts of one’s social life may be common). There are social environments in which it is difficult for one to keep the fact that he has never dated a woman before a secret.

Can you accept the possiblity of the bus boy being homosexual?, would that make heterosexual CEOs racists?(could their be any other possiblity).

What does this have to do with this discussion? Studies have shown that homosexual men earn less than other men of the same demographic and qualifications (ideas.repec.org/a/ilr/articl/v48y1995i4p726-739.html uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf ). If this were not so, the percentage of CEOs and bus boys being homosexual would be proportional to the amount of homosexual men who are qualified.

Proper catholics do not drive homosexuals in any way, shape, form, or direction why do you think they do?

From what I’ve observed as a Catholic, and as a man who has conversed face-to-face with homosexual men about this issue, I think Catholics DO drive homosexuals away. I attend a Catholic college that prides itself in orthodoxy. I have noticed how many of the people at this college, including those majoring in theology and catechetics, would talk and act in ways that would build brick walls and drive homosexual persons away from the Catholic Church. I don’t want to really dive into this can of worms deeper here, but rather I recommend you look at my posts on the following thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=457358&page=3

BobObob;6849153:

The man in the latter half of the following video, who came out of a life of sexual sin, explains how there is a love war. He says that Christians are loosing by driving homosexuals away, while the only people homosexuals feel actually love them are gay activists.

youtube.com/watch?v=74y5v6M5wZ0

This is dangerous ground and I advise you to think more before you sign on to reprobate therapy, I consider reprobate therapy immoral.

What regarding my post was “dangerous ground”? Also, I didn’t mention therapy. I don’t think therapy was even explicitly mentioned in the clip. Therapy is a different can of worms.

I mentioned this video mainly because I was hoping you would listen to the part at the end when the woman summarizes what he had said to her:

“He said to us, if you want to minister to the homosexual community the church has to learn how to love because you’re in a love war. And the reason why many who are practicing homosexuals remain inside the homosexual community is because they feel loved there. They feel affirmed there and they don’t feel that love within the church. And if you’re going to win them, you’re going to have to win them by love. You’ll have to out love those who are loving them in different ways. You’ll have to love them even when they’re still in the homosexual lifestyle. You’ll have to love them and show them the real love of God so that they can come free.” (6:53 to 7:30)

At about 8 minutes into the video, she raises the good question of whether Christians have befriended homosexuals where they’re at (which does not mean embracing the sin of homosexuality).

 

[estesbob]

“He said to us, if you want to minister to the homosexual community the church has to learn how to love because you’re in a love war. And the reason why many who are practicing homosexuals remain inside the homosexual community is because they feel loved there. They feel affirmed there and they don’t feel that love within the church. And if you’re going to win them, you’re going to have to win them by love. You’ll have to out love those who are loving them in different ways. You’ll have to love them even when they’re still in the homosexual lifestyle. You’ll have to love them and show them the real love of God so that they can come free.” (6:53 to 7:30)

At about 8 minutes into the video, she raises the good question of whether Christians have befriended homosexuals where they’re at (which does not mean embracing the sin of homosexuality).

You are confuisng “should we be charitable to people who enage in homosesxual behavior” with “should people who enage in homosexual behavior have the same protected status as one race, creed, genderor country of national origin.”

As Catholics we are required to do the former but should opposethe latter.

Just because some people are mean to homosexuals or some reluctant to hire them does not translate into a need to elevate homosexual behavior to protected status.

 

[edwest2]

“equal rights” To get married just like heterosexuals? Go to any LGBT web site or Marriage Equality web site.

I worked in a hospital and made many trips to the emergency room. No One was asked about their sexual orientation. No One. Unless they were admitted for a sex related issue, they were not asked.

Full equality means gay storybooks for your kids. You and your kids have no choice in the matter. Homosexuality will also step outside the bounds of personal privacy and your kids will be instructed as to how to perform homosexual acts. The bondage and domination leather types will march in parades. Local firemen will be forced by the State to march in gay parades. The lifestyle will receive full recognition from the State who will impose it on you.

Your choice will be taken away. You will have no choice. Any rights you think you may have will be taken away by the State.

I worked with gays and lesbians. No problem. But when the State begins to officially impose gay culture on the entire State, you’ll see the same thing that’s going on in Massachusetts right now.

Does the State force you to march in ethnic pride parades?

God bless,
Ed

 

[BobObob]

“He said to us, if you want to minister to the homosexual community the church has to learn how to love because you’re in a love war. And the reason why many who are practicing homosexuals remain inside the homosexual community is because they feel loved there. They feel affirmed there and they don’t

feel that love within the church. And if you’re going to win them, you’re going to have to win them by love. You’ll have to out love those who are loving them in different ways. You’ll have to love them even when they’re still in the homosexual lifestyle. You’ll have to love them and show them the real love of God so that they can come free.” (6:53 to 7:30)

At about 8 minutes into the video, she raises the good question of whether Christians have befriended homosexuals where they’re at (which does not mean embracing the sin of homosexuality).

You are confuisng “should we be charitable to people who enage in homosesxual behavior” with “should people who enage in homosexual behavior have the same protected status as one race, creed, genderor country of national origin.”

As Catholics we are required to do the former but should opposethe latter.

Just because some people are mean to homosexuals or some reluctant to hire them does not translate into a need to elevate homosexual behavior to protected status.

First off, I think that part of what the OP is trying to get at is whether or not homosexual persons are treated as equals.

Let’s for a moment forget about comparing homosexual persons to persons of various protected groups (I don’t like the way people nowadays are viewed as having certain rights due to being part of some group, rather than having rights as individuals created by God)…

CCC 2358 says, regarding homosexual persons, that “any sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.” This does not mean condoning homosexual acts, but it does mean treating homosexual persons as equals and avoid doing anything treating them differently in virtually every situation. The only exceptions are situations in which not treating them differently may be encouraging sin (like allowing a gay son to share a room in your house with his partner versus allowing a son to share a room with his wife).

Thus, I hold that homosexual persons should be treated as equals with very few and rare exceptions.

It is also noteworthy that putting people into any sort of special group, regardless of the type of group, builds walls and over-politicizes things.

 

[agbasinger]

Yes they are. And this is not a civil rights issue for all we are talking about is a group of people who are wanting to be classified as a minority because of what they do in bed. In my opinion this is a insult to the civil rights movement in this country.
I have been persecuted because of being Catholic and there are Catholics getting killed in other countries due to their beliefs. I am not advocating gay bashing. All hate crimes should be persecuted in the same way. But if I a Catholic get beat up because of being Catholic whould not get the same press as a gay man getting beat up becuase he is gay.

What is your point. It wasn’t legitamized in the OT but rather it identified as a behavior at the time and laws were placed around them. Jesus corrected this in His teachings.
Most legitimate polls show that those who participate in same-sex sex is under 2% of the population and probably less than 1%. This is not what is being thrown around by the gay proproganda machine which wants to make people believe that every one in four people are either gay or have gay tendencies.

I checked the percentages and found that you are correct. My figure was off and the gay population looks to be less than 2%, around the same percentage of those who claim to be Jewish. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

I still believe that sexual orienation/preference is an issue of civil rights. If you have the time, the Standford Encyclopedia has an excellent entry on civil rights of sexual identity. plato.stanford.edu/entries/civil-rights/#SexOri

As far as press coverage over beatings that come from discrimination (sounds like most beatings to me) I have never read of a Catholic being beaten for being a Catholic. I know that in my Dad’s day it wasn’t to uncommon (he didn’t grow up to far from you, in Lake Charles) but people suspected of being gay were obvious targets.

I think that things are changing in this area for the better. I think we all wish for a day when these things cease.

 

[edwest2]

This is not a civil rights issue:

jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby_gay_marriage.php3

I think everybody needs to decide, right now, is there truth or not? Because if anything, being vague about what this issue is about is not right. I’m not going to force anyone to look further but I encourage you - find out what the truth is. The truth is worth defending. Otherwise, anything other than the truth is not.

God bless,
Ed

 

[estesbob]

I checked the percentages and found that you are correct. My figure was off and the gay population looks to be less than 2%, around the same percentage of those who claim to be Jewish. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

I still believe that sexual orienation/preference is an issue of civil rights. If you have the time, the Standford Encyclopedia has an excellent entry on civil rights of sexual identity. plato.stanford.edu/entries/civil-rights/#SexOri

As far as press coverage over beatings that come from discrimination (sounds like most beatings to me) I have never read of a Catholic being beaten for being a Catholic. I know that in my Dad’s day it wasn’t to uncommon (he didn’t grow up to far from you, in Lake Charles) but people suspected of being gay were obvious targets.

I think that things are changing in this area for the better. I think we all wish for a day when these things cease.

Why should sexual behavior be accorded the same protected status as race,creed.gender or country of national origin?

 

[agbasinger]

Why should sexual behavior be accorded the same protected status as race,creed.gender or country of national origin?

Is hetereosexuality a protected status?

 

[estesbob]

Is hetereosexuality a protected status?

No. No sexual beavior has the same protected status as race, creed, gender or country of national origin.

 

[BobObob]

No. No sexual beavior has the same protected status as race, creed, gender or country of national origin.

I think something that causes lots of problems is that marriage, in the US, is something defined and run by the government. The Catholic Church won’t marry one until one has already received permission from the government to marry. It should be the other way around. One should get married by their church (or enter into some contract if they’re non-theist) but then merely inform the government of the union. I’ve been told that’s how it’s done in Israel.

One could argue that heterosexuality is encouraged by the government by taxes. The government in the US uses taxes for social engineering in many different ways (for example, US taxes encourage people to buy a house). I don’t like any of this, because the only reason to tax should be to raise funds and because I don’t want government defining marriage or telling people what is or isn’t moral.

 

[edwest2]

What government are you talking about? “Of the people, by the people and for the people”?

Right now, the only reason same-sex marriage has any traction is by defying the will of the people throught the government, whether State or through Federal Courts.

God bless,
Ed

 

[Texas_Roofer]

The fact that in the OP he raised the question of homosexuals being marginalized by society as something to think about tells me that that’s at least partly what this thread was meant to be about. Perhaps if the OP is reading this he can correct me if I’m wrong.

There are several ways an employer may come to the conclusion that one is gay. It could be due simply to the appearance of being gay.

And there it is, how do you look at people and know their sex life?

Others reasons may have to do with the social environment of the workplace (perhaps general discussions of relationships and other related parts of one’s social life may be common). There are social environments in which it is difficult for one to keep the fact that he has never dated a woman before a secret.

What does this have to do with this discussion? Studies have shown that homosexual men earn less than other men of the same demographic and qualifications (ideas.repec.org/a/ilr/articl/v48y1995i4p726-739.html uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf ).

Are earnings radomly distributed? … if not you may need to stop using random based statistics

If this were not so, the percentage of CEOs and bus boys being homosexual would be proportional to the amount of homosexual men who are qualified.

I’ll bet that tests as untrue have you every notices gay mean in powerful positions often (usually) have wives! It is not accidental, again not all things are random

From what I’ve observed as a Catholic, and as a man who has conversed face-to-face with homosexual men about this issue, I think Catholics DO drive homosexuals away. I attend a Catholic college that prides itself in orthodoxy. I have noticed how many of the people at this college, including those majoring in theology and catechetics, would talk and act in ways that would build brick walls and drive homosexual persons away from the Catholic Church. I don’t want to really dive into this can of worms deeper here, but rather I recommend you look at my posts on the following thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=457358&page=3

What regarding my post was “dangerous ground”? Also, I didn’t mention therapy. I don’t think therapy was even explicitly mentioned in the clip. Therapy is a different can of worms.

Well, I cannot answer for what every catholic does or says but I can tell you it is not Church teaching that hurts SSAs

I mentioned this video mainly because I was hoping you would listen to the part at the end when the woman summarizes what he had said to her:

“He said to us, if you want to minister to the homosexual community the church has to learn how to love because you’re in a love war. And the reason why many who are practicing homosexuals remain inside the homosexual community is because they feel loved there. They feel affirmed there and they don’t feel that love within the church. And if you’re going to win them, you’re going to have to win them by love. You’ll have to out love those who are loving them in different ways. You’ll have to love them even when they’re still in the homosexual lifestyle. You’ll have to love them and show them the real love of God so that they can come free.” (6:53 to 7:30)

At about 8 minutes into the video, she raises the good question of whether Christians have befriended homosexuals where they’re at (which does not mean embracing the sin of homosexuality).

I think they are way ahead of you in their manipulation, adulteries, fornicators; divorcees all want the Church to “understand” them. Your video reinforces the base for reparative therapy which is a road to sin.

Imagine the day when you have 100 SSA which you convinced them their daddy really loved them so now they marry 100 heterosexual, and then 90% revert to homosexual activities…… so what do you tell their spouses and children?

 

[BobObob]

What government are you talking about? “Of the people, by the people and for the people”?

Right now, the only reason same-sex marriage has any traction is by defying the will of the people throught the government, whether State or through Federal Courts.

I’m saying that if marriage isn’t a governmental issue, and is rather something defined and performed in churches, those who advocate for same-sex unions to be considered marriage won’t be able to use the state for that purpose.

Plus, it is notable that America, from its founding, wasn’t meant to be a democracy that was ruled by the majority. The word “democracy” was never used in the Declaration of Independence, US Constitution, nor any Constitution in any of the US states, and many of the founding fathers, especially Jefferson who saw the tyranny of the majority rear its evil head in the French Revolution, were highly opposed to democracy. Instead, they founded a constitutional republic to secure civil liberties. The founding fathers, although most of them Christian, believed in the separation of Church and state, which in fact had a lot to do with why people came to the new world to begin with. This may be a good topic for a different thread…

And there it is, how do you look at people and know their sex life?

First, I’ve been talking mostly about sexual orientation, not sexual behavior.

I said that people who look like they may be homosexual are probably discriminated against.

Also, there are a lot of subtle things that can give one the impression that another is homosexual.

Are earnings radomly distributed? … if not you may need to stop using random based statistics

It’s not true that random based statistics cannot be used for something non-random. Social scientists compensate for this by using large sample sizes that represent the particular population well. Looking at the number of persons they looked at (through archival analysis) in this study (uwlax.edu/faculty/giddings/ECO336/Week_6/Berg_Lien.pdf ), and the apparent consistency of the results, it seems likely that they probably had a significance level of about p<.001. For those of you who haven’t taken college classes on social science research, that means that the odds of the results being due to chance is about 0.1%.

Earnings depend on many variables. The studies I posted tried to control for the greatest variables to isolate it down to one variable, homosexuality. They seemed to have done a reasonable job at that.

Well, I cannot answer for what every catholic does or says but I can tell you it is not Church teaching that hurts SSAs

I agree that the teachings of the Catholic Church aren’t what causes problems for homosexual persons, but I have seen people use these teachings to justify shunning individuals who experience SSA.

I think they are way ahead of you in their manipulation, adulteries, fornicators; divorcees all want the Church to “understand” them. Your video reinforces the base for reparative therapy which is a road to sin.

Road to sin! This man was talking about how he benefited greatly from healthy relationships with guy friends (as opposed to boy friends). There may be a lot of problems with therapy intended to change one’s sexual orientation (a lot of which may have to do with motivations behind the therapy), but that doesn’t mean that it is de facto evil to do some things which might alter one’s sexual orientation.

I’ve heard several men with SSA tell me, with much sincerity, that healthy non-sexual bonding with other guys has tremendously helped them emotionally, helped them be chaste, and even (they claim) stimulate a lessening of their sexual attraction to other guys. Even if one is skeptical of the last one, non-sexual bonding with other guys still seems to have tremendously benefited them.

Imagine the day when you have 100 SSA which you convinced them their daddy really loved them so now they marry 100 heterosexual, and then 90% revert to homosexual activities…… so what do you tell their spouses and children?

This is much different from what I’m talking about. I would highly caution anyone who has experienced SSA for more than just a transitory period during adolescence about marrying. Persons who experienced SSA past adolescence, but who claim to have changed their orientation, need to proceed with great caution regarding matrimony. There seems to have been cases where marriage has worked out, but there are many more cases in which it hasn’t (especially if they were pressured into marrying).