Do Muslims Worship A Black Stone?

[Isa_Almisry]

The Olympic Games begins with a temple ceremony and a “priestess” lights the flame.

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Some Muslims pray facing East, some pray facing West, some pray facing North, some pray facing South and other Muslims pray facing the Kaa’ba in various other directions depending on which part of the world where they are living.

The ancient Olympics were steeped in pagan religious practices and so then, going by your own argument that kissing the Black Stone was an ancient pagan practice, does this mean that this man practices paganism?

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You are right, the Olympics have a pagan origin. So does the alphabet.

The Christian emperor of Rome abolished the pagan Olympics. The ones now were revived in the 1800’s by Europeans who were Christians. There were no sacrifices to Zeus or Apollo, as there isn’t today.

If you asked the athlete why he kissed the medal, I’m sure he can tell you, and it has nothing to do with Zeus. The same (I hope) with kissing your wife. Can you tell us why you kiss the Black Stone that has nothing to do with its pagan origin?

 

[R_not]

You are right, the Olympics have a pagan origin. So does the alphabet.

Can you tell us why you kiss the Black Stone that has nothing to do with its pagan origin?

I won’t wait for any explanation for why they kiss the black stone, but another person who had a pagan origin was… mohammed! AND he kissed stones.

 

[hamba2han]

Can you tell us why you kiss the Black Stone that has nothing to do with its pagan origin?

This has already been explained in an earlier post.

Muslims believe that the Black Stone to have come from Paradise and the reason Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) kissed it is because he considered it to be a precious object… just as say an Olympic medal would be considered a precious object by just about every athlete who is competing for it.

And since Muslims are continually competing for a place in Paradise in the Hereafter, should it come as any surprise then that we too would want to kiss the Black Stone while we are still in this world?

 

[Angelos]

This has already been explained in an earlier post.

Muslims believe that the Black Stone to have come from Paradise and the reason Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) kissed it is because he considered it to be a precious object… just as say an Olympic medal would be considered a precious object by just about every athlete who is competing for it.

And since Muslims are continually competing for a place in Paradise in the Hereafter, should it come as any surprise then that we too would want to kiss the Black Stone while we are still in this world?

I wonder if you Islamic participants of the competition can take the black stone with you to your houses as a reward and keep it there? Since the winner of the Olympic games owns the medal and makes it his/her personal property, your analogy makes no sense unless you can personally possess the stone in this world.

 

[R_not]

This has already been explained in an earlier post.

Muslims believe that the Black Stone to have come from Paradise and the reason Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) kissed it is because he considered it to be a precious object… just as say an Olympic medal would be considered a precious object by just about every athlete who is competing for it.

And since Muslims are continually competing for a place in Paradise in the Hereafter, should it come as any surprise then that we too would want to kiss the Black Stone while we are still in this world?

So now you equate yourselves with Olympians? Oh by the way, mohammed considered it a precious object because he was still a pagan in his heart. The black stone is a pagan object.

Too bad muslims don’t practice their ‘religion’ in a more sporty way then. Like running a race, or swimming laps instead of killing, or subjugating others.

 

[mikeledes]

By kissing his gold medal, this man is shamelessly exhibiting his pagan beliefs in front of a world-wide audience:

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**Sacrilege! How dare you use the god of swimming’s image! We must atone for this blasphemous act! **
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

God Bless,
Michael

 

[Irene72]

No.

www.turntoislam.com for questions.

 

[Irene72]

By kissing his gold medal, this man is shamelessly exhibiting his pagan beliefs in front of a world-wide audience:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39330000/jpg/_39330269_phelpsafp.jpg

You shame yourself by “not” really understanding things!
You might do better by NOT responding and making muslims look foolish. Clearly people here think ALL muslims are like you.

THEY ARE NOT.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

I wonder if you Islamic participants of the competition can take the black stone with you to your houses as a reward and keep it there? Since the winner of the Olympic games owns the medal and makes it his/her personal property, your analogy makes no sense unless you can personally possess the stone in this world.

Fair is fair. He gave us an answer that is monotheistic, can claim to be Muslim, and doesn’t involve the pagan cult. I don’t believe it for a moment, but he has made a fair answer.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

No.

www.turntoislam.com for questions.

Can you be more specifica as to your link?

 

[notsmart]

The Black Stone is the eastern corner stone of the Kaaba, the large black cube that lies in the centre of Mecca.

 

[Dempsey1919]

The Olympic Games begins with a temple ceremony and a “priestess” lights the flame

I made no reference to the opening ceremony of the Olympics or the Olympic flame. I only mentioned the medals that are rewarded to winners of the events.

For your information, in the ancient pagan Olympics, victorious athletes were not awarded medals; they were rewarded with a crown made of olive leaves, they were entitled to have a statue of them placed on display at Olympia, and they often received free meals for life. The giving of medals was originates entirely with the modern, non-pagan games. Therefore, the comparison between the Black Stone and a gold medal is completely false. The medals have NO origins in paganism whatsoever.

Some Muslims pray facing East, some pray facing West, some pray facing North, some pray facing South /

They all pray towards the Black Stone.

The ancient Olympics were steeped in pagan religious practices

The modern Olympics are COMPLETELY different from the Ancient Olympics. None of the ancient pagan rituals are continued. We no longer pray to Zeus, and we no longer offer sacrifices to him prior to the Games. We no longer hold the Games in near the Temple at Olympia, and we no longer compete in order to honour the Gods. The Olympics is simply an athletic event and it has no religious significance at all.

and so then, going by your own argument that kissing the Black Stone was an ancient pagan practice, does this mean that this man practices paganism?

No, because medals were not awarded in the Ancient Games. The medals were not worshipped as idols, nor was kissing medals an ancient pagan practice. Since the medals have no connection to paganism, the man is not practicing pagan rituals by kissing his medal.

 

[R_not]

You shame yourself by “not” really understanding things!
You might do better by NOT responding and making muslims look foolish. Clearly people here think ALL muslims are like you.

THEY ARE NOT.

Just talk about your koran and hadiths and that will tell us what islam is all about - and ‘peaceful’, ‘benign’, or even ‘tolerant’ are NOT what it is. Foolish is so minor compared to what the koran and hadiths have written in them.

 

[dolphinlove]

This has already been explained in an earlier post.

Muslims believe that the Black Stone to have come from Paradise and the reason Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) kissed it is because he considered it to be a precious object… just as say an Olympic medal would be considered a precious object by just about every athlete who is competing for it.

And since Muslims are continually competing for a place in Paradise in the Hereafter, should it come as any surprise then that we too would want to kiss the Black Stone while we are still in this world?

So, are you telling us Al’lah supplied you with a pagan idol to worship?
In all religions, it specifically says do not worship idols.
Now if God gave this instruction, and only wants for you to worship him only, why on earth would he supply you with a big black idol to kiss?
If ‘your’ Al’lah gave you this stone to kiss/pray to/worship, isnt he making himself look like a hypocrite by giving you an idol?

 

[notsmart]

So, are you telling us Al’lah supplied you with a pagan idol to worship?
In all religions, it specifically says do not worship idols.
Now if God gave this instruction, and only wants for you to worship him only, why on earth would he supply you with a big black idol to kiss?
If ‘your’ Al’lah gave you this stone to kiss/pray to/worship, isnt he making himself look like a hypocrite by giving you an idol?

Maybe they don’t view it as an idol. Define idol.

 

[Irene72]

Just talk about your koran and hadiths and that will tell us what islam is all about - and ‘peaceful’, ‘benign’, or even ‘tolerant’ are NOT what it is. Foolish is so minor compared to what the koran and hadiths have written in them.

You will find NOTHING but extremism in most forums. I would suggest you go visit a real Musjid and ask about the "and ‘peaceful’, ‘benign’, or even ‘tolerant’ are NOT what it is. "
You are wrong. Most here is MIS-interpreted or taken out of context.

I am not condoning extreamism; however your (and other posters) theory of “evil Islam” is not true.
Its extreamist Evil people.

 

[R_not]

You will find NOTHING but extremism in most forums. I would suggest you go visit a real Musjid and ask about the "and ‘peaceful’, ‘benign’, or even ‘tolerant’ are NOT what it is. "
You are wrong. Most here is MIS-interpreted or taken out of context.

I am not condoning extreamism; however your (and other posters) theory of “evil Islam” is not true.
Its extreamist Evil people.

So, everyone else but muslims are extreme while everyone else isn’t censoring, nor have deception as being sanctioned in their koran?

Then if it is extremists who are evil in islam why are you and the other muslims not putting more effort into stopping that instead of trying to convince us that islam - the koran and hadiths - are not full of extreme violence? You guys are the ones who are condoning their extremism by your inactions around this globe. We keep hearing about the masses of ‘moderates’ while we only hear from the masses of them when someone draws a harmless cartoon, or makes a movie - that only has koranic verses in them along with the actions of the muslims who are following those verses. Why don’t you go straighten them out instead of us. When the masses of ‘moderates’ do that then I might reconsider.

Instead all we hear is that more jihads and fatwas are issued. One has been issued in the Philippines because muslims are unable to live with others. One even was issued against our Pope while not one ‘moderate’ expressed outrage (it has to come from clerics, ayatollahs and imams) only because he wants religious tolerance practiced by muslims too.

So, tell me about extremists.

‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A

If moderate muslims is a truth, then why are these the facts: islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/its-only-fewthats-what-they-keep.html

Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. The koran, hadiths and the actions of jihadists and the inaction of ‘moderates’ says a lot more than your sentence of desperation.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

And when nothing else works such as discussion on your own religion, then bash us. Use the ‘we are not Christian’ argument. Or start calling us names such as islamophobes.

It won’t work - they have already used this argument. I find it disgusting since if I used this sort of argument about you - I would say that the muslims are certainly following their ‘prophet’! Deceiving us is certainly following their prophet. following a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, and a deceiver is certainly what islam is all about. But, this won’t phase you since you will all find yourselves happy that you still follow him even though he was such a guy.

What you are unhappy about is that we know about islam. And we have read more than just the abrogated surahs.

Btw, I don’t know if I posted, but I love the sig. How true.

 

[notsmart]

So, everyone else but muslims are extreme while everyone else isn’t censoring, nor have deception as being sanctioned in their koran?

 

[Isa_Almisry]

You will find NOTHING but extremism in most forums. I would suggest you go visit a real Musjid and ask about the "and ‘peaceful’, ‘benign’, or even ‘tolerant’ are NOT what it is. "

I’ve been to mosques where you can ask such questions.

I’ve been to mosques where asking such questions can get you killled.

You are wrong. Most here is MIS-interpreted or taken out of context.

Sources are cited.

I am not condoning extreamism; however your (and other posters) theory of “evil Islam” is not true.
Its extreamist Evil people.

who just happen to act out of Islam.