Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[zach_dunn]

then my friend you don’t know what your church teaches.

Would you care to tell me what my church teaches then, my friend?

Pax,
Zach

 

[diggerdomer]

so you know more than the priest and apologist i heard on the etwn radio?

I am not presuming to know more than anyone, I just answered the question you asked.

My brothers married Protestants. Their marriages are valid. I just tried to explain to you that yes, marriage can be valid between a Catholic and a non-Catholic.

 

[zach_dunn]

then my friend you don’t know what your church teaches

I really love when Protestants think they know more about Catholicism than Catholics, I really do. Here’s what my Church really teaches:

1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.

1634 Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.

1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.138 This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139

1636 Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, overcome the tensions between the couple’s obligations to each other and towards their ecclesial communities, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.

1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband."140 It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this “consecration” should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith.141 Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.

That’s all from the Catechism, nothing differing from what I said, so I guess I do know what my Church teaches.

Pax,
Zach

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

if you would read these different passages from matthew and john and explain to me what Jesus is teaching us. i put in all of it’s context to get a better meaning of what He might be teaching. the verses in bold are the one’s of emphasis to the common thread He is speaking of here.

You cited three passages from Matthew, Jerry, but none of them was Matthew 25:31-46. Have you surrendered, Jerry? Are you now ready to abandon the notions of OSAS and ‘faith alone?’

 

[grannymh]

marriage, plz explain the churches teaching on marriage. this is what i heard not long ago, ‘if a catholic is married to a protestant that marriage is not valid’, is this so?

There is a difference between legally valid and sacramental. A legally valid marriage is when you get a marriage license from the state etc.

A Catholic Sacramental marriage is when the marriage follows the form for receiving the Sacrament of Matrimony. A Catholic Sacramental marriage also has to follow state laws, getting a marriage license etc. in order for it to be legally valid.

When a Catholic is married to a Protestant, they get a marriage license, etc. so that the marriage is legally valid.

In regard to a Catholic/Protestant marriage, it would be decided case by case if it were the Sacrament of Matrimony. For example, being married before a judge or justice of the peace would be legally valid but it would not be the Sacrament of Matrimony.

Blessings,
granny

All human beings are worthy of profound respect.

 

[Jerry_Marino]

You cited three passages from Matthew, Jerry, but none of them was Matthew 25:31-46. Have you surrendered, Jerry? Are you now ready to abandon the notions of OSAS and ‘faith alone?’

i am saved my friend, as for the scripture, i’ve touched on it before what about it i understand what it states and what it means.

ferde, do you believe that there is no other name to call on for salvation?

do you believe that on the Cross of Christ is where ones sins are paid for?

what is the Gospel of Jesus to you?

have you sinned?

have you repented and trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins?

did you sin after you came to the knowledge of Christ?

i believe, that is all i need to do, is believe in Christ, the one God has sent and i have eternal life.

God bless you.

 

[Jerry_Marino]

There is a difference between legally valid and sacramental. A legally valid marriage is when you get a marriage license from the state etc.

A Catholic Sacramental marriage is when the marriage follows the form for receiving the Sacrament of Matrimony. A Catholic Sacramental marriage also has to follow state laws, getting a marriage license etc. in order for it to be legally valid.

When a Catholic is married to a Protestant, they get a marriage license, etc. so that the marriage is legally valid.

In regard to a Catholic/Protestant marriage, it would be decided case by case if it were the Sacrament of Matrimony. For example, being married before a judge or justice of the peace would be legally valid but it would not be the Sacrament of Matrimony.

Blessings,
granny

All human beings are worthy of profound respect.

ty granny for teaching me, finally someone who explains to me what the church teaches.

so if a preacher from a protestant church marries such a couple and lets say they wanted to join the church then what?

 

[grannymh]

ty granny for teaching me, finally someone who explains to me what the church teaches.

so if a preacher from a protestant church marries such a couple and lets say they wanted to join the church then what?

First, The Catholic Sacrament of Matrimony involves the consent to be married by each person. “The priest or deacon who assists at the celebration of a marriage receives the consent of the spouses in the name of the Church and gives the blessing of the Church.” from #1630 of the Catholic Catechism.

The key is that the couple is to be married before the priest or deacon. Normally, this would take place in the Catholic Church.

There are times when the Protestant wants her own Protestant pastor to marry them.
Or as you say a preacher from a Protestant church wants to be an official at the marriage. This is usually the way it can happen. The wedding takes place in the Catholic Church. Both the Catholic priest and the Protestant preacher are on the altar. The Catholic priest conducts the Catholic ceremony – the I do etc. Then the Protestant preacher follows with his usual method. This might be words of instruction and encouragement followed by a prayer of blessing.
There are some variations of the above example, but these would have to be decided by the pastor involved.

The idea is always that God is being called on to bless this couple, to give them courage and wisdom to walk together in the way of the Lord.

Once the couple is married, God continues to bless them with His graces no matter what they do afterwards. The Catholic Sacrament of Matrimony is in effect even if the Catholic joins a different church.

One of my favorite parts of Catholic and Protestant weddings is when the priest or preacher asks the congregation to support the couple with their prayers and whatever help is needed.

I hope this answers your question. If not, I will try again.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

if you would read these different passages from matthew and john and explain to me what Jesus is teaching us. i put in all of it’s context to get a better meaning of what He might be teaching. the verses in bold are the one’s of emphasis to the common thread He is speaking of here.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you— but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others. 8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Hi Jerry listen When Jesus said DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU HE MENT IT. NO we do not do as they do or anyone who leads us into temtation(But lead us not into temptation) God sees it all and he loves whom ever he was talking to and he gave an order DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU Why because he is with us all the time he watches the ones he loves Correction Comes to the pulpit first, if anyone who rules puts his people in harms way God will take of it,because we trust him.Evedently if you think Catholics are in danger They must have a secret others do not have,a,special protection from God. The churches out there right now are all mixed and messed up and peple do not keep the original laws from back then so their church keeps changing,and more and more keep croping up and people are more and more confussed then ever.There running to and fro seeking but never finding.I’m going home this week,Back where i know i feel sorry for my sins,and i think about how powerful God realy is and how he should be treated like the King he realy is and honored,and feared because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdomThis is a good and rightous people under the eye of the Almightly and i have never felt so good for a long time.I am convicted by the Holy Spirit of God this is the true (mabe not perfect) church of God.Love of Christ Nancy:thumbsup:

 

[Jerry_Marino]

i do nancy, he said to believe and i do, do you believe?

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

do you believe that Jesus died for your sins?
are you in need of a Savior?

God bless you

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

i am saved my friend,

I hope you are, Jerry, but if you are, it’s not because you say so. The decision on your salvation is not up to you and, by declaring you are saved, you have taken judgment away from the Lord and assigned it to yourself. That’s close to blasphemy and getting into very dangerous territory. The Lord never told you you are saved. Paul wrote some things about faith which you interpret as ‘faith alone’ saves (which is NOT taught in Scripture!) while you ignore the Lord’s teachings altogether. Very dangerous territory.

as for the scripture, i’ve touched on it before what about it i understand what it states and what it means.

Could you give me the message number? I missed it and I’d like to read it. Perhaps you could re-state it. I don’t know what you could possibly say, since the text is clear, but some people have a talent for re-writing Scripture on the fly and using Paul’s words to negate the words of the Lord. For example, Paul says faith is all you need and the Lord says works are essential and He doesn’t mention faith. So I want to see what you say about Mt. 25:31-46.

ferde, do you believe that there is no other name to call on for salvation?

do you believe that on the Cross of Christ is where ones sins are paid for?

Without a proper understanding of Scripture, those are just revival tent slogans, Jerry. I’m a Catholic and I believe in more of the teachings of the Lord and of all Scripture than you ever will as long as you remain a protestant, so please refrain from lecturing me with fundamentalist jargon.

what is the Gospel of Jesus to you?

It’s the Gospel of Jesus. What is it to you?

If you mean what is the Gospel of Jesus comprised of, I say it’s the whole thing, from the first word of Matthew to the last word of John. The whole thing from beginning to end, as it’s written, not as I want it to be written. One thing I do not do with the Gospels is pick and choose passages I want to believe and throw out or re-write those I don’t want to believe. As protestants do.

have you sinned?

have you repented and trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of your sins?

did you sin after you came to the knowledge of Christ?

Unlike you, Jerry, I am a sinner. I beg the Lord every day to protect me and guard me from the wiles of Satan and to keep me from sin. I confess my sins regularly to the Lord through a priest and am given absolution for my sins. You, of course, are not a sinner because you are saved and once saved, always saved, right?

i believe, that is all i need to do, is believe in Christ, the one God has sent and i have eternal life.

As you keep telling us. Do you know what that’s called, Jerry? Cheap grace. It’s the cheapest kind of grace to pick 2 or 3 verses from Paul and let them stand for the entire Christian message even though the Lord teaches the opposite in the Gospels.

Do you realize Paul never read the Gospels? They were written long after he had finished his writings. I don’t think there’s any question that had Paul read Matthew 25:31-46 he would have been much more careful about how he treated the question of faith and works.

God bless you, too.

 

[tmac1956]

i am saved my friend, as for the scripture, i’ve touched on it before what about it i understand what it states and what it means.

snip…

i believe, that is all i need to do, is believe in Christ, the one God has sent and i have eternal life.

God bless you.

Satan and his demons believe in Christ. Is that all they need as well?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hay TMAC FYI ive been busy trying to find out how to come back to the church and i have an apointment with a Father John this Wensday at the Catholic Church rectory at 10 am.He said since i never got married Catholic he would have no problem getting me back,that it would be easy and my dads church was to contact him today for him to be able to recieve communion again.Thanks to a few beautiful Catholic on this forum who took the time to stick it out with me,and vice-versa. I;m nervous but i’ll get by.And I studied Baptist and we never believed you could murder and get to heaven God said" send them to me" That i may deal with them,so they do get a special treatment and so do child molesters and rapest. I can look it up cause it’s written down. Love of Christ Nancy

YAAY Nancy. I’ll keep you in my prayers for sure. Get back to us after your meeting on Wednesay!

 

[diggerdomer]

Satan and his demons believe in Christ. Is that all they need as well?

Careful, we can read “believe” differently. I believe it will rain later today. I believe the earth is round (more or less). I belief in God (…rest of the Creed).

Those instances of my belief are entirely different.

When you say that Satan and his demons believe in Christ, what exactly do you mean by “believe”?

 

[qui_est_ce]

Hi Jerry listen When Jesus said DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU HE MEANT IT. NO we do not **do as they do **or anyone who leads us into temptation. God sees it all and he loves whom ever he was talking to. He gave an order DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU {snip}. Evidently if you think Catholics are in danger. They must have a secret others do not have,a,special protection from God. The churches out there right now are all mixed and messed up. {snip} Their church keeps changing,and more and more keep croping up and people are more and more confused then ever. They are running to and fro seeking but never finding. I’m going home this week, back where I know I feel sorry for my sins, and I think about how powerful God really is and how he should be treated like the King he really is, and honored,and feared because the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. This is a good and rightous people under the eye of the Almightly and i have never felt so good for a long time. I am convicted by the Holy Spirit of God this is the true (maybe not perfect) church of God. Love of Christ Nancy:thumbsup:

Hi Nancy-
I hope you don’t mind, but I made some corrections to your post so it is easier to read. Let me know if I’ve changed the meaning of your post.

You did a great job on the post, I couldn’t have done better! - keep it up.

 

[tmac1956]

Careful, we can read “believe” differently. I believe it will rain later today. I believe the earth is round (more or less). I belief in God (…rest of the Creed).

Those instances of my belief are entirely different.

When you say that Satan and his demons believe in Christ, what exactly do you mean by “believe”?

I am responding to a statement regarding salvation by “belief” alone. (ref. #406) You might want to pose that question to the individual who holds to this belief.

 

[grannymh]

i believe, that is all i need to do, is believe in Christ, the one God has sent and i have eternal life.

God bless you.

Thank you, Jerry, for asking God to bless us. I am grateful that God will answer your prayer.

One of the men who shared with me his insights about ministering to the dying would point out that he was a ProTESTANT Episcopalian. The Scripture verse he wanted me to read is Philippians 4:7 It had to be in a Bible which had this specific translation: “Then the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.”

It is not my intention to get in the osas or whatever discussion. However, your indicated religion kept jogging my memory to the point that I had to share with you my friend’s Scripture verse.

However, I would like to add something to your above quoted statement. I hope and pray that as you believe in Christ, the one God has sent, your love for God will grow so that it fills your entire heart and your entire mind in Christ Jesus. In this love, listen to the words “Be still and know that I am God.” Jerry, God wants all of us to keep on learning about His teachings so that we can know more about HOW He wants us to walk the way of the Lord.

Blessings,
granny

All human life is sacred from the moment of conception.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

i do nancy, he said to believe and i do, do you believe?

For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

do you believe that Jesus died for your sins?
are you in need of a Savior?

God bless you

:pOf course I believe and have the Savior he lives in my heart weather i'm Catholic or not for Greater is he who is in me then he that is in the world.You cant save the world the ones who need saving are the ones who have no belief and are living in total darkness Pray to the Father in the name of Jesus and he will help you find these that are in great need of prayer and forgiveness.GREATER DAMNATION woe unto you scribes and Pharisees,hypocrites! for ye devour widows'houses, and for pretence make long praye: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.(Mathew:23:14) Among the 8 "woes" in Mathew:23 is this awful condemnation on religious leaders for misusing their office and misleading their followers. What they did was pretty serious, but the emphasis in the passage is on the "greater" result of their impact on many lives. James certainly had this incedent in mind when he said,"My brethern,be not many masters(teachers),knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation" James:3:1. Pauls second letter to Timothy listed series of wicked attitudes that would characterize religious leaders in the last days,warning us about the prevalent conditions. They would have a" form of godliness"but would deny the power thereof." Those of us who love the Lord are told to" turn away" from them,for of this sort are they which creep into houses,and lead captive silly women laden with sins,led away with divers lustx,Ever learning,and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"2Timothy:3:5-7 The overriding principal is this "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required"(Luke:12:48). The Pharisees and sadducees of Jesus'day knew the Scriptures. Therefore, their hypocritical and destrutive behavior received His harsh judgement. Just so,all those who use their platform of leadership to distort the truth and seek the praise of men (John 12:43)--weather in religious environs, in of political authority (as were the Pharisees and Sadducees), or merely the msters" of academia--will reap "the righteous judgment of God"(Romans 2:5). May the Lord give us the decernment to avoid "them which causes divisions and offences" (Romans 16:17) Love of Christ Nancy John:3:16

 

[qui_est_ce]

Careful, we can read “believe” differently. I believe it will rain later today. I believe the earth is round (more or less). I belief in God (…rest of the Creed).

Those instances of my belief are entirely different.

When you say that Satan and his demons believe in Christ, what exactly do you mean by “believe”?

Your belief is “Believe, Repent, and Do.” Faith is a verb. This is something Jerry doesn’t understand.

James 2:21

*21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? *

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Hi Nancy-
I hope you don’t mind, but I made some corrections to your post so it is easier to read. Let me know if I’ve changed the meaning of your post.

You did a great job on the post, I couldn’t have done better! - keep it up.

Thank You I dont mind at all,God Bless you Love of Christ Nancy Love is Correction