Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[Rex_08]

I do believe that most Protestants Hate Catholic Church, because of traditions, which they do not swallow their throats. As for them. Catholic Church practicing traditions that according to them, it is not a teaching of Jesus.

 

[wlychan64]

I do believe that most Protestants Hate Catholic Church, because of traditions, which they do not swallow their throats. As for them. Catholic Church practicing traditions that according to them, it is not a teaching of Jesus.

If the debate has not yet been over, I add a few words now please.

I never hate Roman Catholic (RC) as I was brought up in a Jesuit School. The priests are wonderful and they taught us what to do whether we shall become a Catholic or not.

No Protestants can dislike RC on the basis that RC lays their principle on bible, traditions and other church teachings. I was baptised in a Protestant Church that never say one word bad about RC. They just remind us that RC and my church may have some differences but they do recognise that importance of worshiping the same God, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let us debate more but I guess the base line is to respect others for their beliefs and principles they follow. It is a freedom of religious that we must observe and respect.

wlychan64

 

[SteveGC]

Ok, I’m not getting any luck with responses to my previous post.

So, I’d like to ask a separate question to the OSAS crowd…

How do you know that your pastor, your church elder, or whoever it is that preaches to you, all of those people in your life who have formed you in your belief…how do you know that these important “shepherds” in your life are not “pretending” to be saved?

I mean, the way it is for you, is that you really only “know” about yourselves, right? Some of my Bible-only family members tell me, ‘we are given the power to be “fruit inspectors”, we will know them by their fruit’, they say. And I say, 'are you telling me that you can “see” this pretentiousness in people? You “know” that your pastor is a “genuine”, fully saved believer? So, NO ONE can pull the wool over your eyes? Seems like a silly premise to me.

So again, I would ask, how do you justfiy to yourselves, following the teachings of those around you, whom you can’t even verify are genuine or pretentious before the Lord? How do you qualify these people as worthy to teach you anything, when it is plainly clear, that 10 years from now, it is quite possible that their pretentious belief will be revealed, demonstrating to you that they never were part of the flock to begin with? How do you trust them, with your “fruit inspecting” powers?

God Bless

 

[SteveGC]

i have assurance of my salvation and as for the differences of salvation there is only one way, and i will emphasize ONE WAY! Jesus Christ!

Why do you state this in a way to suggest that it’s any different for us Catholics? We’ll shout it louder**…“Only One Way…JESUS CHRIST!!!”. **Or, did you not realize that Catholics are all about Christ? Perhaps you should dig into our background and teachings a bit more, hm? And while we don’t share in your “absolute” assurance mentality, we do have a “moral” assurance. We can have trust in our salvation if we are truly picking up our crosses, following Him, and His Church.

if anyone here is not sure of their salvation why are you going to church, whether catholic or protestant? please enlighten me.

Because we love Christ, desire to worship Him as He desires, and because we are not presumptuous regarding our salvation. You don’t think that only the “absolutely assuredly saved” people go to church, do you?

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

i only come to speak of what Christ did for you on the cross and if you believe in Him you will have eternal life…you say my statement of assurance is a false then speak it to God cause i stand His promises…if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the grave and confess that Jesus is Lord, YOU SHALL BE SAVED.

Please take a look at Matthew 25:31-46 and tell me what it says about ‘faith alone’ being all that is required for salvation.

 

[Rex_08]

If the debate has not yet been over, I add a few words now please.

I never hate Roman Catholic (RC) as I was brought up in a Jesuit School. The priests are wonderful and they taught us what to do whether we shall become a Catholic or not.

No Protestants can dislike RC on the basis that RC lays their principle on bible, traditions and other church teachings. I was baptised in a Protestant Church that never say one word bad about RC. They just remind us that RC and my church may have some differences but they do recognise that importance of worshiping the same God, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let us debate more but I guess the base line is to respect others for their beliefs and principles they follow. It is a freedom of religious that we must observe and respect.

wlychan64

HOw do you know that protestants do not hate Catholic Church.? As I really knew, Mormonism, born again, seventh day adventist, etc are called protestants. They were chorus, shouted and demanded regarding the false teachings of the Catholic Church. Yes, Catholic And protestants are calling the same God, but differ in terms of their teachings. By the way, what is your affiliation? Don’t ashame to tell here about your affiliation.
What kind of Christian denomination where you belong? And let us verify your church affiliation if it is true Church which is founded by Jesus Christ according to the Bible or any reliable historical basis.

Thanks.

 

[DavidCatechumen]

I would like to posit an answer to the original post/topic.

I think that very few Protestants “hate” Catholicism and almost none “hate” individual Catholics. Even Jack Chick, who is about as fundamentalist as you can get, says he doesn’t “hate” Catholics, but wants for us to be “saved.” (My Savior is a Jewish carpenter, not an American comic-book artist, but anyway.)

It’s all a big misunderstanding plus a heavy dose of fear, which is the enemy’s favorite weapon. The big misunderstanding is that “Catholicism is not biblical.” There’s a certain Catholic apostolate that has thoroughly debunked that myth, and anyone who seriously studies the Bible will arrive at the conclusion that Catholicism is thoroughly Biblical. So, but for the fear, this misunderstanding would not exist.

How did fear enter into the equation? The devil put it there, and the way he does so is by distorting our minds, so that Catholicism seems to be a foreign “Other” to Protestants, and vice versa. Humans have a natural inclination to distrust anything that is “foreign,” and this fear is called xenophobia. Half of Catholic apologetics is defending Catholic teaching, but the other half is destroying the fear that divides us. This fear is what keeps Protestants and Catholics from seriously studying the Bible and the shared history of Protestantism and Catholicism so as to reconcile the differences between our communities.

Let us pray that all Christians who have charge in their communities will receive divine grace to overcome this and all fear, and that the Lord will protect us from all anxiety.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Dear Greeter,

What is your view for me to attend the mass every Sunday?

You are welcome in any Catholic church as long as you don’t present yourself to receive Holy Communion, which is reserved for Catholics in a state of grace only.

God bless you on your way.

 

[Allymom]

Dear Greeter,

What is your view for me to attend the mass every Sunday?

Honestly, I am not a Catholic but I have been enjoying the worship by way of the mass in a nearby Roman Catholic Church (RCC). I worry that my presence may deprive a seat from a member of the RCC and may upset the priests of the church.

Could you enlightening me please? Sorry if you may find the question rather silly.

wlychan64

“It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church. The moment men cease to pull against it they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it. But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair.”

-G.K. Chesterton (1874-1936

Yes!!! Go to Mass !!! It is a wonderful experience … but be careful because like the quote says you will be enchanted! My RCIA information is that you can really be involved with and partake of all with the exception of the Eucharist, but you can say a prayer for spiritual communion with God! You will be blessed!:aok:

 

[qui_est_ce]

Dear Greeter,

What is your view for me to attend the mass every Sunday?

Honestly, I am not a Catholic but I have been enjoying the worship by way of the mass in a nearby Roman Catholic Church (RCC). I worry that my presence may deprive a seat from a member of the RCC and may upset the priests of the church.

Would that lack of empty seats were a problem!

Could you share what it is you enjoy about the mass? I love the holy mass. I go everyday.

 

[Bellus]

Please take a look at Matthew 25:31-46 and tell me what it says about ‘faith alone’ being all that is required for salvation.

All that is required for salvation is acceptance of the free gift of the sacrifice that Jesus made. Our good works will follow if we are TRULY** saved. The bible does not say believe and work your way into heaven. Jesus said that all who call upon Him for salvation SHALL (this indicates a promise) be saved. It is what we do with that confirmation that proves whether or not we are truly Christians.

 

[DavidCatechumen]

The bible does not say believe and work your way into heaven.

You’re half right. We are already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but we’re also being saved in a continuous process. (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12).

We are saved by grace alone. Our works alone cannot merit our salvation–only the one sacrifice of Jesus can. (Rm. 3: 23-24, 28). However, we must cooperate and work with the grace which the Lord provides through the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, we CAN lose the grace of God, which is the means of our salvation. (Phil. 2:12–16; Jas. 2:26).

We share the hope of salvation (that this process will be completed) through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul, we work out our salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

Here is a more complete explanation from Catholic Answers. The Pope will even explain justification for you if you will let him.

 

[VociMike]

All that is required for salvation is acceptance of the free gift of the sacrifice that Jesus made. Our good works will follow if we are TRULY** saved. The bible does not say believe and work your way into heaven. Jesus said that all who call upon Him for salvation SHALL (this indicates a promise) be saved. It is what we do with that confirmation that proves whether or not we are truly Christians.

I’ve always found this “proves who is truly Christian” explanation to be odd. Why does anybody need to prove that they are Christian? And how accurate is such proof? What if five people claim that Mr. X has proven by his actions that he is a Christian, and five other people claim that by his actions he has proven that he is not a Christian?

Furthermore, imagine two people, let’s say a husband and wife, who do all kinds of charity work together. The husband is a professed atheist and the wife is a professed Christian, but their works are identical for all intents and purposes. What do their works prove then?

As I say, this notion that our works are intended mainly to prove something to other people is just one that I find very odd.

 

[DavidCatechumen]

Bellus:

It is what we do with that confirmation that proves whether or not we are truly Christians.

I’ve always found this “proves who is truly Christian” explanation to be odd. Why does anybody need to prove that they are Christian?

It’s odd because it suggests salvation by works alone, which is what Bellus says (or implies) that Catholics think.

BUT… it is true that we are required to live out our faith, which is why I said Bellus was half-right.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

All that is required for salvation is acceptance of the free gift of the sacrifice that Jesus made. Our good works will follow if we are TRULY** saved. The bible does not say believe and work your way into heaven. Jesus said that all who call upon Him for salvation SHALL (this indicates a promise) be saved. It is what we do with that confirmation that proves whether or not we are truly Christians.

Did you read Mt. 25:31-46?? If you did, please refer me to the verse wihch mentions faith. If you didn’t, you’re flying blind.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

It’s odd because it suggests salvation by works alone, which is what Bellus says (or implies) that Catholics think.

BUT… it is true that we are required to live out our faith, which is why I said Bellus was half-right.

Close counts only in horseshoes.

 

[DavidCatechumen]

Close counts only in horseshoes.

On that topic, we have to remember that nobody is perfect–the Church is made up of sheep and goats, as you indicated. (Matthew 25:31-46)

Which is why there are the Sacraments–the ordinary means by which we receive the grace of God. Not the only means of grace, just the ones that Christ has made available to all of us and expects those of us who know Him to use. And, yes, all seven Sacraments are in the Bible.

The Sacraments convey grace. Grace, the gift of the love of Jesus, which we have done nothing to merit, is the means of our salvation. (Not faith alone or works alone.) Grace also pulls you along the path of your personal relationship with Christ, to borrow Protestant terminology. Here’s a much better (and short, easy to understand) CA explanation of grace.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

The Sacraments convey grace. Grace, the gift of the love of Jesus, which we have done nothing to merit, is the means of our salvation. (Not faith alone or works alone.) Grace also pulls you along the path of your personal relationship with Christ,…

AMEN!! On the nose with that one.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

All that is required for salvation is acceptance of the free gift of the sacrifice that Jesus made. Our good works will follow if we are TRULY** saved. The bible does not say believe and work your way into heaven. Jesus said that all who call upon Him for salvation SHALL (this indicates a promise) be saved. It is what we do with that confirmation that proves whether or not we are truly Christians.

Then not recieving holy communion means you still will go to heaven? If so then why can’t all recieve? God Bless Nancy

 

[SteveGC]

Then not recieving holy communion means you still will go to heaven? If so then why can’t all recieve? God Bless Nancy

First, you are replying to a post of someone who is a non-Catholic, giving you a path to salvation which is only partial, and therefore not of Catholic teaching.

Second, the reception of Holy Communion in the Catholic Church is the source and summit of the life and mission of The Church, hence of our entire faith.

Reception is reserved for those who align their understanding and acceptance with the apostolic teaching as preserved and presented by The Church. This is not done to exclude non-Catholics, as much as it is meant to protect them, for it is imperative that one properly discern the Real Presence of our Lord in the sacred Host. To fail to do so, is to put one’s state of salvation in jeopardy.
1 Corinthians 11:27-28
Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.

Not receiving it doesn’t necessarily effect salvation, any more than receiving it does. However, the proper, continuous reception of the Eucharist by a Catholic equips him/her with graces that give them a most efficacious means of achieving and maintaining holiness in this life, and hence salvation and eternal life.

God Bless