Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[Breynolds12]

Josie, I tried it. Almost went into the ministry. I never expected to revert and have a bunch of times (Over more than 30 years) where I said that same thing.

Leave the Catholic faith now? No chance. Without the Eucharist (IMO) it just isn’t New Testament Christianity.

Two things that I would ask you to read and consider.

My Testimony & The Eucharist IS Scriptural

I had this experience with a lady at work, we where talking about Jesus and I told her my beliefs and how I love Jesus and then I told her I was Roman Catholic, she then asked me well what do Catholics do once you`ve taken Jesus as your lord and master!!! I said the same thing the rest of the Catholics do??? she said “when do they take Jesus as there Lord and master” I said when they are Baptised… I gave her a Catholic News paper and she could not believe all the articles about Jesus, if people could go to a mass with an open mind its all Scripture, I had to retire from there health issues but I wonder if the seed ever took God Bless Bob

 

[wabrams]

This is probably true . Are these writings part of the Didache ? If they are , remember that the Didache was not recognized as part of the Bible by the Church when it chose which books to include and exclude . There must have been a reason for that …

Yeah, probably to keep the Bible from having a bunch of redundancy and to keep it from being a multi-volume work.

 

[wabrams]

I’m sure wabrams (at least I hope that wabrams) is fully aware of the conundrum presented here.

I get it; I just have this guilty pleasure seeing the crazy responses to that question then watching them all but admit they can’t w/o admitting Catholicism is right.

 

[Jerry_Marino]

What is catholicism?
How could hate something I don’t know nothing about?

All I know is that I am going to heaven when I die because of what He did for me on the cross not because of anything I’ve done. Jesus Christ died for my sins as well as for yours so my question to you is, are you going to heaven?

I can say with all confidence that I am. Unfortunately, a few people I’ve talked to about the subject of dying don’t know for sure if they are going to heaven or not, they hope so.

God Bless

 

[JosieElaine]

Josie, I tried it. Almost went into the ministry. I never expected to revert and have a bunch of times (Over more than 30 years) where I said that same thing.

Leave the Catholic faith now? No chance. Without the Eucharist (IMO) it just isn’t New Testament Christianity.

Two things that I would ask you to read and consider.

My Testimony & The Eucharist IS Scriptural

I have read your two articles. Very well researched and very respectful . The problem is that I could send you two articles, as well researched, as respected and as long, about my side of the coin . I think it is not necessary . You appear to be well educated and you could probably write my two articles for me , like in old-fashioned debates of the Classical schools where you were requested to debate the side of the question you did not agree with . I am tired and I respectfully request that we call it quits for tonight . I am just as convinced as you are and surely could be just as convincing . Let us rest in the Lord and trust he will find us wherever we are . Shalom !

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Jesus Christ died for my sins as well as for yours so my question to you is, are you going to heaven?

I can say with all confidence that I am. Unfortunately, a few people I’ve talked to about the subject of dying don’t know for sure if they are going to heaven or not, they hope so.

God Bless

By the Grace of God… I hope so.

God bless

 

[JosieElaine]

By the Grace of God… I hope so.

God bless

God bless you too.
Yes , I know for certain I am going to heaven because Jesus died for my sins too .
And I know by the fruits the Spirit is working in me and the passionate love for the Truth he has kindled in my heart that I am His and "no one will snath me from his hands ". I have repented and I have believed , my repentance and my belief have given me eternal life ; eternal life being eternal , I cannot lose it by mortal sin at the last minute before I die .

 

[Ite_ad_Ioseph]

I was raised in a Mormon family. We were taught that the “gospel” was lost in the first century, and was restored by Joe Smith. I rejected its teachings and through prayer and research found that they were false. I became a Protestant and I was taught, “the gospel was lost in the first century and was restored by Martin Luther”. Sound familar, it sure does to me. Again research and prayer and I found this was false. Through research I have found that the “true church” is the Catholic Church.

PROBLEM: My Protestant wife was taught that the Catholic church was the anti-christ. She was taught a lot of lies about the Catholic church teaches. She refuses to listen to me to do her own research. I guess I must “go it alone”. Any prayers for her conversion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Larry

Hey, my names Joe Smith.
I have found that many Protestants I know think I’m an idiot for being Catholic.

 

[Jerry_Marino]

AMEN!

read the first letter of John, take your time my friends and examine yourself and just like are judicial system here in america, if there is reasonable doubt, throw yourself at the mercy of the court, God’s court.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

my repentance and my belief have given me eternal life ;

I believe eternal life will be given by God through His unmerited Grace, but enjoy this works righteousness that you have just explained to me.

God bless

 

[Catholicc]

…Unfortunately, a few people I’ve talked to about the subject of dying don’t know for sure if they are going to heaven or not, they hope so.

God Bless

That is because there is no assurance of salvation. That is a false, protestant concept. Salvation is a process, not a one time event.

Some people promote a very attractive idea: All true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as “their personal Lord and Savior.” The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.

Recall this Scripture: “If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him” (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, “He who endures to the end will be saved” (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well…

The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, “See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off” (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Note that this includes an important condition: “provided you remain in his kindness.” It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, “Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall” (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: “I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified” (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.

As a Catholic, when someone asks me if I have been “saved,” I answer: “I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of grace that is working in me.”

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

God bless you too.
Yes , I know for certain I am going to heaven because Jesus died for my sins too .
And I know by the fruits the Spirit is working in me and the passionate love for the Truth he has kindled in my heart that I am His and "no one will snath me from his hands ". I have repented and I have believed , my repentance and my belief have given me eternal life ; eternal life being eternal , I cannot lose it by mortal sin at the last minute before I die .

:thumbsup:I agree with you 100% and I am by the grace of God going to heaven also.How I long to be absent from the body and present with the Lord, to die is to gain.Nice to hear from a Baptist Love of Christ Nancy God is good!

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

That is because there is no assurance of salvation. That is a false, protestant concept.

It is not a false Protestant concept, as there are Protestants who will deny it as fast a Catholics will. It is just simply a false concept that some (perhaps most ) Protestants believe.

The reason for my clarification is because it poses a problem for those who believe it; how can the Holy Spirit lead some non-Catholics to the understanding of OSAS and also lead others in the denial of it? Does the Holy Spirit deal in confusion?

I suppose this is a different topic entirely though.

God bless you

 

[JosieElaine]

:thumbsup:I agree with you 100% and I am by the grace of God going to heaven also.How I long to be absent from the body and present with the Lord, to die is to gain.Nice to hear from a Baptist Love of Christ Nancy God is good!

Nancy , did you get my answer with my personal e-mail ?

 

[Snerticus]

Sorry to waste your time but the first church Christ started was called"THE WAY" not the Catholic church how come they changed the name? love of Christ Nancy

From the way it was explained to me, “The Way” was a Jewish “sect” that came about from Jesus’ teaching. Afterwards, when the Jews refused to accept this “sect” as being Jewish at all, it separated to form the “modern” Church (if you will). Ignatius of Antioch was the first of the Apostolic, or Church Fathers to call this separate Church “Catholic”. He called it that for obvious reasons, because we are universal. Not only universal in the worldly sense, but in the heavenly sense as well. Because there are not separate Churches here and in heaven, we are all one universal or Catholic, Church.

If I have interpreted this part of Church History incorrectly, please by all means, someone point me to some texts that point out my errors, as I obviously am still learning.

I wish I was a scholar!

 

[Church_Militant]

I have read your two articles. Very well researched and very respectful . The problem is that I could send you two articles, as well researched, as respected and as long, about my side of the coin . I think it is not necessary . You appear to be well educated and you could probably write my two articles for me , like in old-fashioned debates of the Classical schools where you were requested to debate the side of the question you did not agree with . I am tired and I respectfully request that we call it quits for tonight . I am just as convinced as you are and surely could be just as convincing . Let us rest in the Lord and trust he will find us wherever we are . Shalom !

All fair points, I suppose, but I would welcome a chance to peruse those articles if you’d like to PM the links to me.

I think the imperative is to seek out the absolute and scriptural truth, none of which is arbitrary, as I’m sure you will agree.

Could you perhaps PM me your thoughts on my article on the Eucharist when you have a moment. I would deeply appreciate it.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Jerry_Marino]

so do you want to get into a biblical debate, i put my trust in Christ not in what i can do or not do. you say it is false, i could state the falseness of what you may believe but that is not my intent. i only come to speak of what Christ did for you on the cross and if you believe in Him you will have eternal life. one does not have to live in fear of tripping cause when one does fall he has an Advocate who intercedes on the believers behalf and that is in the Person of Christ. it is easy to obey Him today cause of His love for me, His commandments are not burdensome. so as the sister’s above has stated that it is the Holy Spirit working within her not by working her self righteousness which are like filthy rags to God. if you remain in Him, he will abide in you and how is that?

like i said i will not get into a debate over doctrinal differences, i think that this thread should be retitled: do catholics really hate protestants?

you say my statement of assurance is a false then speak it to God cause i stand His promises. the gospel is simple, we are all sinners and the wages of sin is death, we all fall short of the glory of God. we had no hope prior to Jesus but that is God’s love for us that while we were still sinners He died for you and me. and from that blood stained Cross to the grave where death could not hold Him by the power of God risen to be seated at the right hand of God. so how far is heaven?

within in your heart and the tip of your tongue, my friend cause if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the grave and confess that Jesus is Lord, YOU SHALL BE SAVED. for it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. simple isn’t it?

do you believe, my friend?
the bible states that there is no other name to call upon, will you call upon the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

will you?

now being roman catholic you should know the above as true cause the above is taken from the book of romans.

God bless you.

 

[JosieElaine]

All fair points, I suppose, but I would welcome a chance to peruse those articles if you’d like to PM the links to me.

I think the imperative is to seek out the absolute and scriptural truth, none of which is arbitrary, as I’m sure you will agree.

Could you perhaps PM me your thoughts on my article on the Eucharist when you have a moment. I would deeply appreciate it.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

I will do it tomorrow unless an emergency arises .
I have only been on this forum 24 hours and I am already getting tired of it . Too much throwing around of “I know, you know” and not enough real concerns for the souls of the people reading the posts . Except for you , of course . You appear to be sincere . And Nancy .

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

so do you want to get into a biblical debate

You asked

i put my trust in Christ

Me too. For, “there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4-12

i only come to speak of what Christ did for you on the cross

We know what Christ did for us. The Church has preached it for 2,000 years.

like i said i will not get into a debate over doctrinal differences, i think that this thread should be retitled: do catholics really hate protestants?

Some may. I don’t know I do know I don’t though.

God bless

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

From the way it was explained to me, “The Way” was a Jewish “sect” that came about from Jesus’ teaching. Afterwards, when the Jews refused to accept this “sect” as being Jewish at all, it separated to form the “modern” Church (if you will). Ignatius of Antioch was the first of the Apostolic, or Church Fathers to call this separate Church “Catholic”. He called it that for obvious reasons, because we are universal. Not only universal in the worldly sense, but in the heavenly sense as well. Because there are not separate Churches here and in heaven, we are all one universal or Catholic, Church.

If I have interpreted this part of Church History incorrectly, please by all means, someone point me to some texts that point out my errors, as I obviously am still learning.

I wish I was a scholar!

No need for that I think you handled it quite well,but here are the scriptures you left out Eph:5:26 Jesus established the sacrements The church is Catholic Math:28:19-20 Rev:5:9-10 Universal family Gal:3:28 Pillar and foundation of truth John:16:12-13 Paul(Father) 1Cor:4:15 year 107 Ignatious of Antiouch-Church Jesus founded Howd I do? I pay attention thanks Michael Love of Christ Nancy