Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[wlychan64]

Dear wlychan64,

Back in March, you shared your experience of going to Holy Mass. This was in posts near #439 and #445. Please excuse me. I have a hard time remembering everything.

I wrote to you:
“How wonderful that you are loving God through the Mass at a Catholic Church.”

This is a compliment. I also meant to compliment you the other day. There was no criticism.

I am very glad you asked for clarification. Now, I can tell you again that going to Mass is very important. There, you are sitting, kneeling, or standing in front of Jesus Christ Who is truly present in the Eucharist.

We know that Jesus is always with you and me. He loves us every minute. But in the Catholic Church, Jesus is present in a very special way.

You already know very much about Jesus. Your heart is full of love.

Do you have any questions about how to become a Catholic?

Blessings,
granny

All human beings are loved by Jesus Christ.

Dear Granny,

Thank you for the prompt reply.

I agree with you that Jesus is present in every Holy Mass and I fully endorse with you that Holy Mass is beautiful and all the words used in the Holy Mass are well chosen (with the support of the bible).

Finally, I am not sure if I will be converted to the Catholic but I will certainly attend the Holy Mass weekly and if possible, daily. I respect the Catholic Church and the Catholic very much.

Yours
wlychan64

 

[denwiles]

Hello Denwiles, there is no one here who claims to see Jesus unless it’s in the face and love of others,for greater is he who is in me then he that is in the world. I’d like to know why people are so busy coming to the forums to SAVE others that they think are such sinners and believe nothing but lies. I also want to kow why any one with such knowledge would waste his time here when he could be out there picketing the Abortion clinics where there is so much sin going on? I’d like to know why people dont go to the church of satan and try to save these people from destruction? and i want to know why people call themselves Christians and dont do the works of Jesus Christ for those who are LOST?If you look at what the Catholic church has done for Abortion and Opposition 8 ETC maybe you would see the other side of the coin?
“Give glory to the Lord your God, before he causes darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and while you look for light,He turns it into the shadow of death, and makes it gross darkness”(Jerimiah 13:16 The figuritive representations of Christ as the foundation rock of the great spiritual house of God( math,16:18; Eph 2:20; 1Peter 2:6 and also as the water yielding rock of sustenance in the wilderness( 1Cor 10:4) are two of the great symbols of the bible. But for those who reject Him, He becomes “a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence…And many among them stumble,and fall,and be broken,and be snared, and be taken”(Isaiah 8:14-15. Not only will the stone cause the person to stumble,but Jesus said," And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: But on whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder"(Math 21:44) This figure is taken from the great fall of Nebuchandnezzer’s dream. “Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet… and brake him to pieces”(Daniel 2:34). all the kingdoms of the world were represented in the image, but the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth"(Danile 2:35). Unto you therefore which believe He is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient"( 1Peter 2:7-8. Thus, the stone of stumbling, which is Christ, is also the Word, and it is deadly dangerous to stumble over the HOLY SCRIPTURES> One should give glory to God before Darkness falls and he stumbles upon the dark mountain in the shadow of death. Go now into the world and win a soul for Christ,for we our Children of the living Rock, and upon this Rock He has built His Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail! Love of Christ Nancy

First of all I was replying to a post about seeing Jesus, so there are those who claim this. Second of all Im here because the Lord wants me to be Here. Third I do those things you mentioned (works) but not because the the Lord requires me to, but I do them out of Love for God and others. Forth don’t judge me when you don’t know me. My whole life, everything I do is about serving God. I am A Bible teacher, administrator, decon for a living. Fifth I will pray and LOVE you with the love of God and as a matter of fact I will pray for you right now. I don’t like to defend my self, but I moved 1500 miles away from all my family and friends to serve the Lord. I hope you are less jugemental as you grow closer to the Lord. And about all the darkness you were talking about, Paul said those who fight are in darkness NOW (paraphrased) So we must do all things out of Love. How can you judge me when your on here to. God Bless and P.S. I’m not trying to save anyone thats Gods Job. And are you trying to imply Im not a Christian? The Bible says Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, Im saved by the blood of JESUS, so don’t accuse me. So by your hate toward me, do you hate Catholics

 

[denwiles]

First of all I was replying to a post about seeing Jesus, so there are those who claim this. Second of all Im here because the Lord wants me to be Here. Third I do those things you mentioned (works) but not because the the Lord requires me to, but I do them out of Love for God and others. Forth don’t judge me when you don’t know me. My whole life, everything I do is about serving God. I am A Bible teacher, administrator, decon for a living. Fifth I will pray and LOVE you with the love of God and as a matter of fact I will pray for you right now. I don’t like to defend my self, but I moved 1500 miles away from all my family and friends to serve the Lord. I hope you are less jugemental as you grow closer to the Lord. And about all the darkness you were talking about, Paul said those who fight are in darkness NOW (paraphrased) So we must do all things out of Love. How can you judge me when your on here to. God Bless and P.S. I’m not trying to save anyone thats Gods Job. And are you trying to imply Im not a Christian? The Bible says Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, Im saved by the blood of JESUS, so don’t accuse me. So by your hate toward me, do you hate Catholics

One more thing you have wrongfully Judged me as a Protestant, I serve and worship at Our Lady of Sorrows, but I use to be Assemblies of God. So I love both Catholics and Protestants as a matter of fact I truly Love my enemies. The more I get on fire for the Lord the More people react in the most strange ways. Do I believe in works YES!!!, but most people don’t do them for the right reasons. We work out of LOVE, most work to get time off from purgatory. Work, but for the LOVE of God and others and I can tell you love the Lord and do it for the right reasons. I just don’t understand why you have judged me so harshly. God Bless

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

First of all I was replying to a post about seeing Jesus, so there are those who claim this. Second of all Im here because the Lord wants me to be Here. Third I do those things you mentioned (works) but not because the the Lord requires me to, but I do them out of Love for God and others. Forth don’t judge me when you don’t know me. My whole life, everything I do is about serving God. I am A Bible teacher, administrator, decon for a living. Fifth I will pray and LOVE you with the love of God and as a matter of fact I will pray for you right now. I don’t like to defend my self, but I moved 1500 miles away from all my family and friends to serve the Lord. I hope you are less jugemental as you grow closer to the Lord. And about all the darkness you were talking about, Paul said those who fight are in darkness NOW (paraphrased) So we must do all things out of Love. How can you judge me when your on here to. God Bless and P.S. I’m not trying to save anyone thats Gods Job. And are you trying to imply Im not a Christian? The Bible says Satan is the accuser of the bretheren, Im saved by the blood of JESUS, so don’t accuse me. So by your hate toward me, do you hate Catholics

:confused: I dont hate you or anyone and i never accused you seems you are accusing me of not being close enough to the Lord I know He can judge me with open heart andmind dor He is a fair and Just God.I'm on here not to look for faults or to fight in the darkness for i am a child of the light.When you think something in your heart and mind YOU own that not me.Dont try to make me think i did something for you to think that way that was your decision and again YOU OWN IT.And another thing You are as saved as i am For all those who endure till the END shall be saved.Not all those who pick for God for it is God who picks for them He is the one who chooses who's to stay or goes. Thank You For the Prayer i never refuse prayer,and i will repay the favour So teach me something?and pray for each other. Amen? Nancy God Bless

 

[denwiles]

I dont hate you or anyone and i never accused you seems you are accusing me of not being close enough to the Lord I know He can judge me with open heart andmind dor He is a fair and Just God.I’m on here not to look for faults or to fight in the darkness for i am a child of the light.When you think something in your heart and mind YOU own that not me.Dont try to make me think i did something for you to think that way that was your decision and again YOU OWN IT.And another thing You are as saved as i am For all those who endure till the END shall be saved.Not all those who pick for God for it is God who picks for them He is the one who chooses who’s to stay or goes. Thank You For the Prayer i never refuse prayer,and i will repay the favour So teach me something?and pray for each other. Amen? Nancy God Bless

I agree, Point well said. God Bless

 

[wlychan64]

Hello Denwiles, there is no one here who claims to see Jesus unless it’s in the face and love of others,for greater is he who is in me then he that is in the world. I’d like to know why people are so busy coming to the forums to SAVE others that they think are such sinners and believe nothing but lies. I also want to kow why any one with such knowledge would waste his time here when he could be out there picketing the Abortion clinics where there is so much sin going on? I’d like to know why people dont go to the church of satan and try to save these people from destruction? and i want to know why people call themselves Christians and dont do the works of Jesus Christ for those who are LOST?If you look at what the Catholic church has done for Abortion and Opposition 8 ETC maybe you would see the other side of the coin?
“Give glory to the Lord your God, before he causes darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and while you look for light,He turns it into the shadow of death, and makes it gross darkness”(Jerimiah 13:16 The figuritive representations of Christ as the foundation rock of the great spiritual house of God( math,16:18; Eph 2:20; 1Peter 2:6 and also as the water yielding rock of sustenance in the wilderness( 1Cor 10:4) are two of the great symbols of the bible. But for those who reject Him, He becomes “a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence…And many among them stumble,and fall,and be broken,and be snared, and be taken”(Isaiah 8:14-15. Not only will the stone cause the person to stumble,but Jesus said," And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: But on whomever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder"(Math 21:44) This figure is taken from the great fall of Nebuchandnezzer’s dream. “Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet… and brake him to pieces”(Daniel 2:34). all the kingdoms of the world were represented in the image, but the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth"(Danile 2:35). Unto you therefore which believe He is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient"( 1Peter 2:7-8. Thus, the stone of stumbling, which is Christ, is also the Word, and it is deadly dangerous to stumble over the HOLY SCRIPTURES> One should give glory to God before Darkness falls and he stumbles upon the dark mountain in the shadow of death. Go now into the world and win a soul for Christ,for we our Children of the living Rock, and upon this Rock He has built His Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail! Love of Christ Nancy

Dear Nancy and Denwiles,

I have been following the arguments/discussion/exchanges of views between you two and I am impressed probably due to my ignorance of the knowledge of christianity although I have studes all the reference in the bible. Are you two referring to the same coin but just different sides of the coin?

This is exactly the problem I have always had: The Catholic Church and the Protetant Churches (most of them) are referring to the same bible but with different interpretations. At the end of the day, I guess that what counts most is our attitude and what are in our minds?

I am a born protestant. Due to some personal difficulties, I have not been attending my own church for quite some time. Now, I attend weekly Holy mass every week alone. I feel I am so close to Jesus Christ in the holy mass even though I am alone and knows no one in the church ( a catholic church) whilst I go to pray at lunch time alone in an Anglican Church which is a few minutes walk from my office.

You may say that I am strange but I never feel alone upon attending holy mass and lunch time prayers by myself at an Anglican Catherdal.

Sorry to share my days with you two

God bless

wlychan64

 

[wlychan64]

One more thing you have wrongfully Judged me as a Protestant, I serve and worship at Our Lady of Sorrows, but I use to be Assemblies of God. So I love both Catholics and Protestants as a matter of fact I truly Love my enemies. The more I get on fire for the Lord the More people react in the most strange ways. Do I believe in works YES!!!, but most people don’t do them for the right reasons. We work out of LOVE, most work to get time off from purgatory. Work, but for the LOVE of God and others and I can tell you love the Lord and do it for the right reasons. I just don’t understand why you have judged me so harshly. God Bless

Dear Sir

I agree that you must accept both the Catholics and the protestants.

I agree further with you that what counts most is what do we work for? Work out of Love to Our Lord is quite different from to work for some other reasons. One must got it right if one wants his/her work counts in HIS eyes. Do you agree? or you wish to enlighten me if I have not go it correct?

Pls share as I want to learn more

best wishes
wlychan64

 

[denwiles]

Dear Nancy and Denwiles,

I have been following the arguments/discussion/exchanges of views between you two and I am impressed probably due to my ignorance of the knowledge of christianity although I have studes all the reference in the bible. Are you two referring to the same coin but just different sides of the coin?

This is exactly the problem I have always had: The Catholic Church and the Protetant Churches (most of them) are referring to the same bible but with different interpretations. At the end of the day, I guess that what counts most is our attitude and what are in our minds?

I am a born protestant. Due to some personal difficulties, I have not been attending my own church for quite some time. Now, I attend weekly Holy mass every week alone. I feel I am so close to Jesus Christ in the holy mass even though I am alone and knows no one in the church ( a catholic church) whilst I go to pray at lunch time alone in an Anglican Church which is a few minutes walk from my office.

You may say that I am strange but I never feel alone upon attending holy mass and lunch time prayers by myself at an Anglican Catherdal.

Sorry to share my days with you two

God bless

wlychan64

Thank you for your reply. The Bible says Iron sharpens Iron, as Long as it is out of LOVE I believe discussions are good. And Nacy has some very good and valid points, that I will be reflecting in my own heart. You are correct you are never alone. Jesus said I go away, but I will send the Holy Spirit, he will be with you always, he will be your comforter. You know I have went to some churches where everyone was so friendly and I have went to churches where no talked to me. I had a Priest tell me one time, he said "You come for the Lord and to Love and pray for the People, and God will make Himself Known to you, even if the people don’t, LOL. God Bless you in your walk with the Lord

 

[wlychan64]

Thank you for your reply. The Bible says Iron sharpens Iron, as Long as it is out of LOVE I believe discussions are good. And Nacy has some very good and valid points, that I will be reflecting in my own heart. You are correct you are never alone. Jesus said I go away, but I will send the Holy Spirit, he will be with you always, he will be your comforter. You know I have went to some churches where everyone was so friendly and I have went to churches where no talked to me. I had a Priest tell me one time, he said "You come for the Lord and to Love and pray for the People, and God will make Himself Known to you, even if the people don’t, LOL. God Bless you in your walk with the Lord

Thank you very much sir for the reply and sharing. I will remember what the priest had shared with you ‘Come for the Lord but pray for others. God is love and HE will make himself known to you’. I will bear this in mind as the words are encouraging to me on days alone ahead.

Best wishes always
wlychan64

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Dear Nancy and Denwiles,

I have been following the arguments/discussion/exchanges of views between you two and I am impressed probably due to my ignorance of the knowledge of christianity although I have studes all the reference in the bible. Are you two referring to the same coin but just different sides of the coin?

This is exactly the problem I have always had: The Catholic Church and the Protetant Churches (most of them) are referring to the same bible but with different interpretations. At the end of the day, I guess that what counts most is our attitude and what are in our minds?

I am a born protestant. Due to some personal difficulties, I have not been attending my own church for quite some time. Now, I attend weekly Holy mass every week alone. I feel I am so close to Jesus Christ in the holy mass even though I am alone and knows no one in the church ( a catholic church) whilst I go to pray at lunch time alone in an Anglican Church which is a few minutes walk from my office.

You may say that I am strange but I never feel alone upon attending holy mass and lunch time prayers by myself at an Anglican Catherdal.

Sorry to share my days with you two

God bless

wlychan64

Oh Dont ever be sorry for shareing,that’s how we learn and i am glad you find peace where you go,you are right about the coin. It makes me think about the cross,Jesus is on one side we are on the other. And why you never feel alone when you are there is because you are not alone the presence of the Lord is there with you,His Holy Spirit will lead you to green pastures and still waters,and you will feel and be Blessed. God is with you wlychan64 Love of Christ Nancy

 

[wlychan64]

Oh Dont ever be sorry for shareing,that’s how we learn and i am glad you find peace where you go,you are right about the coin. It makes me think about the cross,Jesus is on one side we are on the other. And why you never feel alone when you are there is because you are not alone the presence of the Lord is there with you,His Holy Spirit will lead you to green pastures and still waters,and you will feel and be Blessed. God is with you wlychan64 Love of Christ Nancy

Dear Nancy,

Thank you for your sharing again and encouargements.

Best wishes from wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Dear Nancy and Denwiles,

I have been following the arguments/discussion/exchanges of views between you two and I am impressed probably due to my ignorance of the knowledge of christianity although I have studes all the reference in the bible. Are you two referring to the same coin but just different sides of the coin?

This is exactly the problem I have always had: The Catholic Church and the Protetant Churches (most of them) are referring to the same bible but with different interpretations. At the end of the day, I guess that what counts most is our attitude and what are in our minds?

And there lies the problem. Differing interpretations. We all love Christ. The question is what is Christ’s will? Did He intend us to have differing interpretations?

If we all love Christ, surely Christ’s will should be first and foremost for us.

So what is Christ’s will? Which one (Protestant or Catholic) correctly interpret Christ’s will?

 

[jean8]

Just as a lunatic had inherited his lunacy due to he sleeplessness of his or her ancestors during moonlit nights, Protestant new generation admits they hate Catholicism and they won’t accept any word from it.

The cause: Protestant pastors never seem to cease talking about Catholicism. These young Protestants from the Philippines are well bred yet they admit that their animosity to catholicism seems to be like “animosity to Satan Himself”

Rodrigo, a lad from Villaramos, Manukan, Zamboanga del Norte, Philippines, had a tete-a-tete talk with Francis Gonzales, your author here, this Sunday, March 8, 2009. He admits that he was born and was raised as a catholic, but because of the seemingly normal “catholic” environment he sullenly experienced from childhood, he was attracted to the Baptist faith which he says is an attractive “novelty” for him.

Yes, he thinks Catholicism is dull and is aging.

Francis Gonzales is a convert to Catholicism. Once a baptist and a member of the locally originated Iglesia ni Cristo sect, this author shared to the misinformed protestant lad about the beauty of Catholicism.

“Only in the catholic church can we see the universal point of view, Christ’s and God’s point of view. I am too much attracted and I want to lean to the porous walls that had witnessed many things in history than to concrete that had seen only paint,” Says he.

Pentecostals her in the city down south of the Philippines had stopped their daily bus missions

The reason, several passengers are annoyed seeing Pentecostals mounting buses only to ask for cash. “It is a very unbecoming act”, says Estrella Cajocon, a resident of a distant town, “that they prioritize ,monetray solicitation rather than preaching.”

Years back, these Pentecostals are the hot preachers of passenger vehicles. Yet because of a Catholic and tolerant majority, they seem to haven’t been appreciated and finally broke down their preaching tasks.

They parted as good friends, promising each other to pray mutually for one’s efforts to perfection.

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The bottom line is, christians should not hate other christians, or anyone else for that matter.
We all have one Savior, Jesus Christ. Jesus loves everyone and tells us to do the same.
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength
and love your neighbor as yourself.” Lu.10:27

Many folks don’t know much of the teachings of other churches. In fact, I have found they don’t know enough about their own church doctrine.
This is one way to understnd each other.

jean

 

[wlychan64]

And there lies the problem. Differing interpretations. We all love Christ. The question is what is Christ’s will? Did He intend us to have differing interpretations?

If we all love Christ, surely Christ’s will should be first and foremost for us.

So what is Christ’s will? Which one (Protestant or Catholic) correctly interpret Christ’s will?

Good point indeed.

I am not sure if Our Lord would prefer one way or the other. I even do not think HE would decide or bother which ONE is the RIGHT ONE (You may disagree with me).

Speaking for myself, I was a born Christian (!) but attended Jesuit Schools for 11 years. I have spent a lot of time to understand the differences between the Protestant Churches and the Catholic Church. My view (if you may not against me) that some of the teachings of the Catholic Church that I agree and some I disagree. Similarly, I also have difficulties with the Protestant Churches when they will their views on some matters like Holy Communion and Holy Mary are correct with the support of the bible.

Anyway, to me, I would not bother too much as all I count most is my devotion to Jesus Christ and whateven means is not in my real concern.

I hope even if you may disagree with me, please do not pass jugement against me as this is a forum for discussions or arguments (at most ) but not criticising and passing judgements against others, sir.

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Good point indeed.

I am not sure if Our Lord would prefer one way or the other. I even do not think HE would decide or bother which ONE is the RIGHT ONE (You may disagree with me).

How can He not prefer one to the other? Does Christ have differing wills?

When He said in John 6 eat my body, drink my blood does it not matter to find out what he really means. Surely he cannot be saying either/or with the interpretation.

Did He truly build just one Church or did He mean for there to be several Churches.

If you think Christ does not care then you really have a strange idea of who Christ is.

Did He mean for us all to waddle in uncertainty?

If it doesn’t mean matter how we interpret the Bible then that means all heretical interpretations are on par with the truth. So that means that the TRUTH does not matter to Christ which is totally ludicrous.

Speaking for myself, I was a born Christian (!) but attended Jesuit Schools for 11 years. I have spent a lot of time to understand the differences between the Protestant Churches and the Catholic Church. My view (if you may not against me) that some of the teachings of the Catholic Church that I agree and some I disagree. Similarly, I also have difficulties with the Protestant Churches when they will their views on some matters like Holy Communion and Holy Mary are correct with the support of the bible.

Whether you agree or disagree with the Catholic or Protestant Church is irrelevant.

Truth is not subjective. There is objective Truth out there with regards scripture and that is knowable.

Anyway, to me, I would not bother too much as all I count most is my devotion to Jesus Christ and whateven means is not in my real concern.

Example: Christ said divorce is a total no-no. If Protestants truly follow Christ why do they allow divorce?

For 1900 years, all Christians believed that contraception is wrong. Then came the Lambeth conference in 1930 and that truth went down the gurgler for all of protestantism.

What happened? How can something that is so totally wrong all of a sudden be totally right?

So which is correct?

If a Christian claiming to love Christ came along and said that fornication, sodomy, etc. is permissible, does that make all these sins right all of a suddent just because the Christian feels mushy about Christ?

I hope even if you may disagree with me, please do not pass jugement against me as this is a forum for discussions or arguments (at most ) but not criticising and passing judgements against others, sir.

wlychan64

No passing of judgment here. Just ferreting out the truth. The TRUTH is important. If we find the TRUTH we find Christ because Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

BTW, Does your name have any new agey connotations?

 

[wlychan64]

How can He not prefer one to the other? Does Christ have differing wills?

When He said in John 6 eat my body, drink my blood does it not matter to find out what he really means. Surely he cannot be saying either/or with the interpretation.

Did He truly build just one Church or did He mean for there to be several Churches.

If you think Christ does not care then you really have a strange idea of who Christ is.

Did He mean for us all to waddle in uncertainty?

If it doesn’t mean matter how we interpret the Bible then that means all heretical interpretations are on par with the truth. So that means that the TRUTH does not matter to Christ which is totally ludicrous.

Whether you agree or disagree with the Catholic or Protestant Church is irrelevant.

Truth is not subjective. There is objective Truth out there with regards scripture and that is knowable.

Example: Christ said divorce is a total no-no. If Protestants truly follow Christ why do they allow divorce?

For 1900 years, all Christians believed that contraception is wrong. Then came the Lambeth conference in 1930 and that truth went down the gurgler for all of protestantism.

What happened? How can something that is so totally wrong all of a sudden be totally right?

So which is correct?

If a Christian claiming to love Christ came along and said that fornication, sodomy, etc. is permissible, does that make all these sins right all of a suddent just because the Christian feels mushy about Christ?

No passing of judgment here. Just ferreting out the truth. The TRUTH is important. If we find the TRUTH we find Christ because Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

BTW, Does your name have any new agey connotations?

Thanks for the reply.
I understand your concern and worries.

As to my name, do not bother or to use your word, ‘irrelevant’.

Thank you sir
wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

The bottom line is, christians should not hate other christians, or anyone else for that matter.
jean

AMEN!!!

 

[wlychan64]

How can He not prefer one to the other? Does Christ have differing wills?

When He said in John 6 eat my body, drink my blood does it not matter to find out what he really means. Surely he cannot be saying either/or with the interpretation.

Did He truly build just one Church or did He mean for there to be several Churches.

If you think Christ does not care then you really have a strange idea of who Christ is.

Did He mean for us all to waddle in uncertainty?

If it doesn’t mean matter how we interpret the Bible then that means all heretical interpretations are on par with the truth. So that means that the TRUTH does not matter to Christ which is totally ludicrous.

Whether you agree or disagree with the Catholic or Protestant Church is irrelevant.

Truth is not subjective. There is objective Truth out there with regards scripture and that is knowable.

Example: Christ said divorce is a total no-no. If Protestants truly follow Christ why do they allow divorce?

For 1900 years, all Christians believed that contraception is wrong. Then came the Lambeth conference in 1930 and that truth went down the gurgler for all of protestantism.

What happened? How can something that is so totally wrong all of a sudden be totally right?

So which is correct?

If a Christian claiming to love Christ came along and said that fornication, sodomy, etc. is permissible, does that make all these sins right all of a suddent just because the Christian feels mushy about Christ?

No passing of judgment here. Just ferreting out the truth. The TRUTH is important. If we find the TRUTH we find Christ because Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

BTW, Does your name have any new agey connotations?

Dear Sir

After reading your reply or sharings, I have to give a reply now.

1. Your view is that there is no 'win win’sitatuion or coin with either side depending how you look at the matter.
   
   Why John 6 must be interpreted in one way or the other. In other words, why one view is right and other view is wrong. Although you have chosen your words carefully notwithstanding your tones are always firm or agressive or honestly, accusing others with a different view (with all my repsect), you do not commit yourself which interpretation is correct. Nonetheless, I am sure you will find the view of the Cathlic Church correct. In this aspect, although I am sure you will accuse me in a moment, I tend to agree with the view of the Roman Catholic Church although I also understand and apprecaite the view of most other Protestant Churches.
2. You accuse me for being strange on Christ and you are passing judgement against me now. Your previous exchange of views with other viewer whom you must know also have been passing judgment against others, too Sir with all my repsect!!

Sorry sir, this is a forum and you are one of the members and nothing less and nothing more (and me too)!! Similarly, you are one of the many Roman Catholics on earth and with respect, nothing more than that. I am also a small member of my own church.

1. The truth of course matters but is it for you to judge? Who do you think you are? What is your full name? What is your position? Your authority and your standing with all my respects. Before you stab me now (to be blunt and honest with you), I tell you not that am nobody nor nothing to anyone including you. At least, I know my position.

Sorry to be blunt if you may find it be the case but I can tell you now I have found you blunt, too, sir. Now, I am sure you have thousand of words for accusing me wrong. Please do so as long as you got to remember your wordings and language sir. Also, who you are with my respects, sir!!

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Dear Sir

First off, I am a Miss. So Dear Miss

After reading your reply or sharings, I have to give a reply now.

1. Your view is that there is no 'win win’sitatuion or coin with either side depending how you look at the matter.

Why John 6 must be interpreted in one way or the other. In other words, why one view is right and other view is wrong. Although you have chosen your words carefully notwithstanding your tones are always firm or agressive or honestly, accusing others with a different view (with all my repsect), you do not commit yourself which interpretation is correct. Nonetheless, I am sure you will find the view of the Cathlic Church correct. In this aspect, although I am sure you will accuse me in a moment, I tend to agree with the view of the Roman Catholic Church although I also understand and apprecaite the view of most other Protestant Churches.

As I have said Truth matters. So either the view of the Catholic Church is the Truth or the Protestant view is the truth. They cannot both be true. One of them has to be erroneous.

The erroneous view then must therefore be against Christ will because Christ is the TRUTH.

1. You accuse me for being strange on Christ and you are passing judgement against me now.

I am not saying you are strange. Read my post again. Your view is the one that is strange if you think TRUTH does not matter to Christ. THAT is what is strange.

Your previous exchange of views with other viewer whom you must know also have been passing judgment against others, too Sir with all my repsect!!

What other viewer? This is the first time I have jumped on this thread.

Sorry sir, this is a forum and you are one of the members and nothing less and nothing more (and me too)!!

Did I say otherwise?

Similarly, you are one of the many Roman Catholics on earth and with respect, nothing more than that. I am also a small member of my own church.

So?

1. The truth of course matters but is it for you to judge? Who do you think you are? What is your full name? What is your position? Your authority and your standing with all my respects. Before you stab me now (to be blunt and honest with you), I tell you not that am nobody nor nothing to anyone including you. At least, I know my position.

What does my name have anything to do with this discussion? Why are you so angry?

When did I stab you? Have a look at what I have written again and tell me where I stabbed you? I am really curious as to what has set you off to be angry about what I have written.

Maaann, you are being rather irrational here.

So let us get down to truth and who judges. I did not say I am the judge.

What I am getting at is there has to be an arbiter of truth.

If you say that something is black and I say it is white, how do we know which one of us is correct? Who decides? THAT is the only point I am trying to get at.

So, with regards scripture, tell me, how do we know which one has the correct interpretation. You have to keep in mind that TRUTH matters so how do we determine TRUTH in this case?

Sorry to be blunt if you may find it be the case but I can tell you now I have found you blunt, too, sir.

You are not being blunt, just meandering in trying to get your point across.

Now, I am sure you have thousand of words for accusing me wrong.

No because so far you have not said much that is either right or wrong (except of course implying that all viewpoints are equal.) But no doubt you will.

At the moment you are fence sitting to pacify both camps. Jump off the fence and make a stand either way.

Please do so as long as you got to remember your wordings and language sir. Also, who you are with my respects, sir!!

wlychan64

There is nothing wrong with my language. But now I am getting even more curious why you think I have said something wrong. There must be something in my post that has really ticked you off.

 

[wlychan64]

First off, I am a Miss. So Dear Miss

As I have said Truth matters. So either the view of the Catholic Church is the Truth or the Protestant view is the truth. They cannot both be true. One of them has to be erroneous.

The erroneous view then must therefore be against Christ will because Christ is the TRUTH.

I am not saying you are strange. Read my post again. Your view is the one that is strange if you think TRUTH does not matter to Christ. THAT is what is strange.
What other viewer? This is the first time I have jumped on this thread.

Did I say otherwise?

So?

What does my name have anything to do with this discussion? Why are you so angry?

When did I stab you? Have a look at what I have written again and tell me where I stabbed you? I am really curious as to what has set you off to be angry about what I have written.

Maaann, you are being rather irrational here.

So let us get down to truth and who judges. I did not say I am the judge.

What I am getting at is there has to be an arbiter of truth.

If you say that something is black and I say it is white, how do we know which one of us is correct? Who decides? THAT is the only point I am trying to get at.

So, with regards scripture, tell me, how do we know which one has the correct interpretation. You have to keep in mind that TRUTH matters so how do we determine TRUTH in this case?

You are not being blunt, just meandering in trying to get your point across.

No because so far you have not said much that is either right or wrong (except of course implying that all viewpoints are equal.) But no doubt you will.

At the moment you are fence sitting to pacify both camps. Jump off the fence and make a stand either way.

There is nothing wrong with my language. But now I am getting even more curious why you think I have said something wrong. There must be something in my post that has really ticked you off.

Dear Madam

Thank you for your prompt reply.

I appreciate your constructive feedbacks and sharings that I start to understand and appreciate. I also start to understand your concern and I am sorry that some Christian bodies have done so much to upset you and others.

As to our different views, I know I may not be able to convinece you with my views and equally, there is no reason for me to be convinced by you./SIZ

I wish you well, madam.

wlychan64