Do Protestants Really Hate Catholicism?

[Erbey]

Hey guys I know what you are talking about because I know what the catechism says and I know what the gospels say. I’ve read them both about 20 plus times! What I’m saying is I do try the loving and prayerful approach all the time basically but it seems as if all I’m doing is wasting my breath. For example, my brother in-law is a fallen away Catholic who is now in a prot church. Therefore, we end up talking and sometimes discussing in depth of whar he believes and what the Church teaches. Next, I prove him wrong undeniably about certain doctrines and teachings so next he sees that he cannot do anything me and even see the error of his pastors teaching. Then, he’ll ask me to go talk to his pastor. So I’ll say OK and take the bait because I know that he wants his pastor to “put me in my place”. Well, I get over there and we (his pastor and I) start to discuss and then progress into debate about certain issues/teachings that he believes and what the Catholic Church teaches. Mind you, my brother in-law and his friend are sitting on the edge of their seats hoping for their pastor to “whip me theoligically, if you will”. I end up making him (his pastor) look like an ignorant freaking idiot. My brother in-law and his friend are speechless and the pastor is itching so bad to get me out of his church that he tells us that his wife is calling him on his phone that he has to go immediately. He obviously didn’t know what he was going up against. I used to always talk with my brother in-law about Bible stuff and what not but now he don’t dare even bring the subject up. Well, if anything I’ll stop heresy from spilling out of the mouth of my kinfolk when I’m around. Anyways, that interaction atleast confirmed the rest of my family in their Catholic faith.

 

[wlychan64]

Hello Erbey, welcome to the fourms.

While I respect your opinion and your zeal, I cannot agree with them.

Our Church teaches that Protestants are most definately Christian through their baptisms and are members (though imperfectly) of the Catholic Church.

From the Catechism:

We must be careful, when defending the Church, that we do not become those who we are defending the Church against. We should not defend agaist anti-Catholicism by becoming anti-protestant.

Though I am not fan of Nietzsche he has a good quote about this:

*Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. *

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Welcome to the forums and God bless you!

Thank you for referring to Catechism on the unity of the Catholic Church.

Fairly speaking, the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) has kept an open mind to accept other protestants denominations subject to the principle under 818. It is very considerate and kind of the RCC that I mostly appreciate. In contrast, some protestant churches have some prejudice against the RCC which is due to their ignorance of the teaching of the RCC.

Honestly, some layman friends always say to me that some protestants attack the RCC. How can they set good examples for us to follow? I agree.

That is why I am sorry to all Catholic who have been upset and hurt by the mal-practise of some protestant denominations. In contrast, I find the Baptist Church and the Anglican Church are friendly to the RCC. In fact, the Church of England may be incorporated into the RCC one day!!

Speaking for myself. I like the RCC and I respect not only the church but also the Catholics. I am sorry to those Catholic who have been hurt by some mal-practice of those protestants. I hope the Catholic on this forum will beleive that 1. Most protestant churches are not against the RCC; 2. They may not know the RCC well enough to appreciate but they will not hate/dislike it; and 3. They hope to have unity with the RCC through in the days ahead although it is a long way to go.

wlychan64

 

[benedictus2]

Thanks.

Tell me one more thing please. What is Lambeth Conference 1930?
Also, despite of the bad start of the Church of England, their practice is very much like the Roman Catholic Church? what is your view?

Once again, thanks for your sharings

Wlychan64

Hi Winston,

Here is a link explaining what Lambeth Conferences are all about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambeth_Conferences

The practices of the Anglican church that are similar to the Catholic church are all external. With regards doctrine there is much divergence. And that is what is important - the correct doctrine.

In the end the whole point is this. Christ established only one Church and there really is no need for others. All other churches were established in rebellion to Christ’s Church. When you rebel against Christ’s Church you rebel against Christ because He is her head and you cannot separate the Head from the Body without willing spiritual decapitation.

 

[wlychan64]

Hi Winston,

Here is a link explaining what Lambeth Conferences are all about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambeth_Conferences

The practices of the Anglican church that are similar to the Catholic church are all external. With regards doctrine there is much divergence. And that is what is important - the correct doctrine.

In the end the whole point is this. Christ established only one Church and there really is no need for others. All other churches were established in rebellion to Christ’s Church. When you rebel against Christ’s Church you rebel against Christ because He is her head and you cannot separate the Head from the Body without willing spiritual decapitation.

Thanks again for your informatoin provided. They are very helpful.

At this stage, I cannot commit myself as to whether I can agree or not with your observations and view though you have all I respect.

Let me read it again later. I may come back to you later.

Once again, thank you very much.

Best wishes
wlychan64

 

[Jerry_Marino]

It’s written in plain language, Jerry and I know what he’s talking about. Are you in any doubt about what Jesus is talking about in that passage?

no.

end times?

 

[benedictus2]

I hope you’re not here to try to talk Catholics out of their faith with your false doctrines and inacfcurate interpretations of Scripture.

I notice in every single one of your ‘the Bible says’ quotes you refer to Paul. Not a single word from Jesus. Try reading Matthew 25:31-46 for starters and tell be what the Lord says there about faith.

Hi Five on that!!!

That is exactly what I have been saying for some time now on different threads.

Protestants will quote you Paul till they are black and blue and when you counter back with a quote from the Gospels they will come back with “But Paul in Verse such and such said this”. As if by quoting Paul they expect to nullify Christ’s words in the Gospel.

Do they truly believe that somehow Paul will go against Christ?

The other day I was reading Church history and it turned out that prior to his revolt, Luther became intensely focused on Pauls letters. All of a sudden everything made sense.

It is good to be well versed in the epistles but first and foremost be well versed in the Gospels for the Epistles are supposed to be an exposition of the Gospels.

Paul is a highly educated Jew who was able to connect the dots between the old and new testament.

 

[benedictus2]

Thanks again for your informatoin provided. They are very helpful.

At this stage, I cannot commit myself as to whether I can agree or not with your observations and view though you have all I respect.

Let me read it again later. I may come back to you later.

Once again, thank you very much.

Best wishes
wlychan64

I will take you through my reasoning as to why I believe there is no need for other churches.

I will do that on the weekend.

God blesses you all the time so I won’t say bless you. Rather that you be always aware of His blessings for from this spring gratitude

 

[JustaServant]

Hi Five on that!!!

That is exactly what I have been saying for some time now on different threads.

Protestants will quote you Paul till they are black and blue and when you counter back with a quote from the Gospels they will come back with “But Paul in Verse such and such said this”. As if by quoting Paul they expect to nullify Christ’s words in the Gospel.

Do they truly believe that somehow Paul will go against Christ?

The other day I was reading Church history and it turned out that prior to his revolt, Luther became intensely focused on Pauls letters. All of a sudden everything made sense.

It is good to be well versed in the epistles but first and foremost be well versed in the Gospels for the Epistles are supposed to be an exposition of the Gospels.

Paul is a highly educated Jew who was able to connect the dots between the old and new testament.

Luther’s problem was how he was interpreting Paul in the light of scriptures that he should have been well versed in. Luther simply twisted Paul’s words to releive himself from the burden of issues he had no desire to deal with.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Hello Erbey, welcome to the fourms.

While I respect your opinion and your zeal, I cannot agree with them.

Our Church teaches that Protestants are most definately Christian through their baptisms and are members (though imperfectly) of the Catholic Church.

From the Catechism:

We must be careful, when defending the Church, that we do not become those who we are defending the Church against. We should not defend agaist anti-Catholicism by becoming anti-protestant.

Though I am not fan of Nietzsche he has a good quote about this:

*Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you. *

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Welcome to the forums and God bless you!

Hello! If that is what the church believes then why did i came back to the church? I could have stayed a Protestant, I came back because i thought it was the right church ( the one Jesus built) But i guess it realy does not matter what church you go to if we are all brothers and sisters in Christ? Right? Or is this a double standard? Even a broken Clock is right twice a day!(quote) Nancy

 

[Cinette]

I was on this thread earlier but with the new makeover on CAF I stopped receiving emails alerting me of postings and so I forgot about this thread.

About Protestants hating Catholicism. First of all it is out of ignorance really.

I was thinking about this the other day. Catholicism is the most unthreatening of religions. The only thing to fear from Catholicism is the fact that the Church will not compromise and let people do what they like. The Church adheres strictly to what God has revealed to us. That is the only thing that may be considered “threatening”.

All aggression comes from outside the Catholic Church. The Church will support any Christian in need. In foreign countries Missionaries under threat and in need can rely on their Catholic brothers and sisters for support and assistance.

This is a fact.

And…one day there will be One Flock and One Shepherd. That is also a fact - Jesus promised and He keeps his promises.

 

[Church_Militant]

Hello! If that is what the church believes then why did i came back to the church? I could have stayed a Protestant, I came back because i thought it was the right church ( the one Jesus built) But i guess it realy does not matter what church you go to if we are all brothers and sisters in Christ? Right? Or is this a double standard? Even a broken Clock is right twice a day!(quote) Nancy

It does matter because there is a huge difference between “some truth” and the fullness of truth that the Catholic Church has.

If, as we believe, (and the New Testament plainly teaches!) the Eucharist is the body and blood, soul and divinity of Lord Jesus Christ then that by itself is enough to become a Catholic, yet that is not all by any means, as you well know.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Cinette]

It does matter because there is a huge difference between “some truth” and the fullness of truth that the Catholic Church has.

If, as we believe, (and the New Testament plainly teaches!) the Eucharist is the body and blood, soul and divinity of Lord Jesus Christ then that by itself is enough to become a Catholic, yet that is not all by any means, as you well know.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

The Eucharist is the source and summit of our Faith. It can only be found in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

How can anyone abandon the Church Christ founded and the Eucharist, His great gift of Himself?

Catholics who leave the Church do so out of ignorance - like I did for over 20 years.

I am back and learning every day. Our Faith is beautiful, wholesome and good - and very interesting, of course.

Nancy, the Catholic Church is perfect in its teachings but will never be perfect in his members - the parable of the weeds among the wheat applies. (Matt 13:24-30).

Love…Love changes everything God gave us two very important Commandments - to love Him and to love one another. If we can do that we will achieve all that God requires of us. And that is a fact.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Hey guys I know what you are talking about because I know what the catechism says and I know what the gospels say. I’ve read them both about 20 plus times! What I’m saying is I do try the loving and prayerful approach all the time basically but it seems as if all I’m doing is wasting my breath. For example, my brother in-law is a fallen away Catholic who is now in a prot church. Therefore, we end up talking and sometimes discussing in depth of whar he believes and what the Church teaches. Next, I prove him wrong undeniably about certain doctrines and teachings so next he sees that he cannot do anything me and even see the error of his pastors teaching. Then, he’ll ask me to go talk to his pastor. So I’ll say OK and take the bait because I know that he wants his pastor to “put me in my place”. Well, I get over there and we (his pastor and I) start to discuss and then progress into debate about certain issues/teachings that he believes and what the Catholic Church teaches. Mind you, my brother in-law and his friend are sitting on the edge of their seats hoping for their pastor to “whip me theoligically, if you will”. I end up making him (his pastor) look like an ignorant freaking idiot. My brother in-law and his friend are speechless and the pastor is itching so bad to get me out of his church that he tells us that his wife is calling him on his phone that he has to go immediately. He obviously didn’t know what he was going up against. I used to always talk with my brother in-law about Bible stuff and what not but now he don’t dare even bring the subject up. Well, if anything I’ll stop heresy from spilling out of the mouth of my kinfolk when I’m around. Anyways, that interaction atleast confirmed the rest of my family in their Catholic faith.

Great story, Erbey. I’d just ask why you don’t pursue your brother-in-law and ask him why he insists on staying in a proven apostate church. You got the goods on him, use 'em!

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

no.

end times?

In a sense Jesus is talking about ‘end times’ in Matthew 25:31-46. The passage is often referred to as “The Final Judgment” which is a little different from what protestants call ‘the end times.’ The point I make is, the Lord makes no mention of faith as having anything to do with salvation; only works.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

The Eucharist is the source and summit of our Faith. It can only be found in the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

How can anyone abandon the Church Christ founded and the Eucharist, His great gift of Himself?

Catholics who leave the Church do so out of ignorance - like I did for over 20 years.

I am back and learning every day. Our Faith is beautiful, wholesome and good - and very interesting, of course.

Nancy, the Catholic Church is perfect in its teachings but will never be perfect in his members - the parable of the weeds among the wheat applies. (Matt 13:24-30).

Love…Love changes everything God gave us two very important Commandments - to love Him and to love one another. If we can do that we will achieve all that God requires of us. And that is a fact.

:thumbsup:Absolutely! Love is the basis for life, and the faith is beautiful! Love of Christ Nancy

 

[omg]

:thumbsup:Absolutely! Love is the basis for life, and the faith is beautiful! Love of Christ Nancy

I think we will never know who is right and who is wrong till we all get to Heaven and see all our sister’s and brothers and know the Greatness of JESUS till then like Jesus said LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.

God Bless you all out there.:tiphat:

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

I think we will never know who is right and who is wrong till we all get to Heaven and see all our sister’s and brothers and know the Greatness of JESUS till then like Jesus said LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.

God Bless you all out there.:tiphat:

:)God bless you omg, You are so right! Love of Christ Nancy

 

[benedictus2]

Hello! If that is what the church believes then why did i came back to the church? I could have stayed a Protestant, I came back because i thought it was the right church ( the one Jesus built) But i guess it realy does not matter what church you go to if we are all brothers and sisters in Christ? Right? Or is this a double standard? Even a broken Clock is right twice a day!(quote) Nancy

I think we will never know who is right and who is wrong till we all get to Heaven and see all our sister’s and brothers and know the Greatness of JESUS till then like Jesus said LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.

God Bless you all out there.:tiphat:

Nancy is right. If it does not matter why convert at all.

Protestants possess SOME truth but NOT THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH.

The fullness of truth matters. Protestants whether they like it or not posses some truth ONLY BECAUSE of the Catholic Church. Whether they like it or not, they are merely branches of the Catholic Church.

So does it really matter whether you are Catholic of Protestant?

Yes it does for to say otherwise is to say that what Christ WILLS does not matter.

Christ WILLED / CHOSE TO HAVE only one Church - the Catholic Church. 1500 hundreds years later, men decided that they will have churches of their own severed from Christ’s Church. Is that what Christ wanted?

If it does not matter, then Christ would not have established His own Church. This problem of separated churches will not be a problem but the natural state of things. But no, He established a (one) Church.

Why is this important? Because He knows that one day, churches will sprout (He predicted that even) and He knows that there has to be something against which their doctrines will be measured against.

He could have just left us the Bible but He did not do that. He did not do any writing. He did not even appear to the apostles again to say which written account is to be included as part of the canon.

What did He do. He picked apostles and selected one of them (Peter) upon which to build His Church and He promised (and made good that promise) to send them the Holy Spirit to guide them into truth.

These days so many people fall into the great deception that the devil is fostering upon us: all views are equal, all opinions are equal.

If we follow this line of thinking then we say: Divorce is both good and not good, contraception is both okay and not okay, the Eucharist is real and not real, Christ is both God and not God. We would then have bought into this subtle lie that so permeates secular thinking.

If this is so, then we make a mockery of Christ and Christianity.

Love and Truth has to go together.

 

[nancy_dalrymple]

Nancy is right. If it does not matter why convert at all.

Protestants possess SOME truth but NOT THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH.

The fullness of truth matters. Protestants whether they like it or not posses some truth ONLY BECAUSE of the Catholic Church. Whether they like it or not, they are merely branches of the Catholic Church.

So does it really matter whether you are Catholic of Protestant?

Yes it does for to say otherwise is to say that what Christ WILLS does not matter.

Christ WILLED / CHOSE TO HAVE only one Church - the Catholic Church. 1500 hundreds years later, men decided that they will have churches of their own severed from Christ’s Church. Is that what Christ wanted?

If it does not matter, then Christ would not have established His own Church. This problem of separated churches will not be a problem but the natural state of things. But no, He established a (one) Church.

Why is this important? Because He knows that one day, churches will sprout (He predicted that even) and He knows that there has to be something against which their doctrines will be measured against.

He could have just left us the Bible but He did not do that. He did not do any writing. He did not even appear to the apostles again to say which written account is to be included as part of the canon.

What did He do. He picked apostles and selected one of them (Peter) upon which to build His Church and He promised (and made good that promise) to send them the Holy Spirit to guide them into truth.

These days so many people fall into the great deception that the devil is fostering upon us: all views are equal, all opinions are equal.

If we follow this line of thinking then we say: Divorce is both good and not good, contraception is both okay and not okay, the Eucharist is real and not real, Christ is both God and not God. We would then have bought into this subtle lie that so permeates secular thinking.

If this is so, then we make a mockery of Christ and Christianity.

Love and Truth has to go together.

God Speaks through His People and tells the Truth no matter how it hurts,the truth always Prevails!!! God Bless People that recognize the Truth! God Bless Ben. Luke 17:1-5

 

[Jerry_Marino]

i possess the truth and that is if you do not put your trust in Christ for your salvation, you are doomed.