Do you believe the Kingdom of God is within you?

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What do you mean by “God’s perception”?
How does God view us? Genesis 1: 27 can be a good place to find God’s perception of us. In God’s perception or view, what does Genesis 1: 27 mean in relationship to the “Kingdom of God”?

There are a lot of posts about how humans perceive the Kingdom of God. Certainly, it would be polite to find out how God perceives His own Kingdom. Again, Genesis 1: 27 contains a major hint.
 
Core of my being doesn’t mean a motto that one lives by. It means the center of one’s being, like the core of an apple is the center.
That is not the correct religious meaning. It comes from ancient Hindu Sanskrit and is taught by various schools of Hindu. It existed before Jesus came to the earth as a mantra or motto. “The core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists. I am the ultimate reality.” The only way to reach the ultimate reality and become a god is through Eastern Meditation. This is where the term originates.

New Age religion uses the term ambiguously. Coming from a Christian tradition you might assume that they are referring to soul. However, some forms of Hindu do not believe in a soul. It depends on whether you are a dualist Hindu or a non-dualist Hindu.

New Agers also use “contemplative prayer” to mean an Eastern form of Meditation. Because of this, great confusion has arisen among many Catholics. New Agers are fond of saying the Kingdom of God is within, by which they mean, god lives inside you. You just have to go into an altered state of consciousness to become part of him.

What gets lost in all the semantics and ambiguity is that God is a real Being with definite characteristics as described in the bible and through Catholic teaching. We can’t define him as whatever or whoever we want him to be. Jesus told us in the bible what the Kingdom of God is. Here is a link to a fairly thorough explanation.

catholicbible101.com/thekingdomofgod.htm
 
Heart is symbol of love. It is sometimes used to mean soul. “Core of my being” is the English translation of the Hindu Sanskrit term “Aham Bhramasmia”. “Core of my being” means motto that you live by.
Why would you want to introduce a Hindu Sanskrit term in a discussion about the Kingdom of God?

Let’s stick with Catholic teaching:

I. PURIFICATION OF THE HEART

2517** The heart** is the seat of moral personality: "Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication. . . . " The struggle against carnal covetousness entails purifying the heart and practicing temperance:

Remain simple and innocent, and you will be like little children who do not know the evil that destroys man’s life.

2518 The sixth beatitude proclaims, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.” “Pure in heart” refers to those who have attuned their intellects and wills to the demands of God’s holiness, chiefly in three areas: charity; chastity or sexual rectitude; love of truth and orthodoxy of faith. There is a connection between purity of heart, of body, and of faith:

The faithful must believe the articles of the Creed “so that by believing they may obey God, by obeying may live well, by living well may purify their hearts, and with pure hearts may understand what they believe.”

2519 The “pure in heart” are promised that they will see God face to face and be like him. Purity of heart is the precondition of the vision of God. Even now it enables us to see according to God, to accept others as “neighbors”; it lets us perceive the human body - ours and our neighbor’s - as a temple of the Holy Spirit, a manifestation of divine beauty

Heart, like kingdom are metaphors for something deep, vast, mysterious and holy, not to be neatly defined, as if we fully understand.
 
Why would you want to introduce a Hindu Sanskrit term in a discussion about the Kingdom of God?

Let’s stick with Catholic teaching:

I. PURIFICATION OF THE HEART

Because it’s good for people to know where the terms originated. Your original post equated “core of my being”, a Hindu term, with the Christian heart or soul, which is not the same thing.

I included a nice link to the Catholic explanation of the Kingdom of God in my previous post did you check it out?🙂
 
When I talk about the core of my being, I mean my essence, and I am not giving a religious definition.
 
When I talk about the core of my being, I mean my essence, and I am not giving a religious definition.
How do you describe human nature? Do you consider human nature an unique unification of the material and spiritual worlds?

I ask because sometimes I wonder if a person, not necessarily you, is substituting some other idea in order to sidestep the faculties or capabilities of the rational soul.
 
How do you describe human nature? Do you consider human nature an unique unification of the material and spiritual worlds?
I don’t have a ready answer. Human nature is a huge subject, in my view.
I ask because sometimes I wonder if a person, not necessarily you, is substituting some other idea in order to sidestep the faculties or capabilities of the rational soul.
I cannot give you a full account of what makes up human nature. I’m sorry. I can say, however, that it appears it is a mix of matter and spirit.
 
That is not the correct religious meaning. It comes from ancient Hindu Sanskrit and is taught by various schools of Hindu.
Try reading St John of the Cross, “Living Flame of Love.”

He uses the term “Center” of the soul often, just as ThisOne explained.

In contemplative prayer, Christ draws us to the Center of our being, where He dwells with the Father and Holy Spirit.

It is there, that the grace of divine love is experienced.

But, instead of arguing about interior prayer, you should first get yourself at least familiar with the terms

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Jim
 
That is not the correct religious meaning. It comes from ancient Hindu Sanskrit and is taught by various schools of Hindu. It existed before Jesus came to the earth as a mantra or motto. “The core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists. I am the ultimate reality.” The only way to reach the ultimate reality and become a god is through Eastern Meditation. This is where the term originates.

New Age religion uses the term ambiguously. Coming from a Christian tradition you might assume that they are referring to soul. However, some forms of Hindu do not believe in a soul. It depends on whether you are a dualist Hindu or a non-dualist Hindu.

New Agers also use “contemplative prayer” to mean an Eastern form of Meditation. Because of this, great confusion has arisen among many Catholics. New Agers are fond of saying the Kingdom of God is within, by which they mean, god lives inside you. You just have to go into an altered state of consciousness to become part of him.

What gets lost in all the semantics and ambiguity is that God is a real Being with definite characteristics as described in the bible and through Catholic teaching. We can’t define him as whatever or whoever we want him to be. Jesus told us in the bible what the Kingdom of God is. Here is a link to a fairly thorough explanation.

catholicbible101.com/thekingdomofgod.htm
Are you the author of that website? Why isn’t the creator of that website identified? How does a visitor know that the information there is accurate? Why is everything in blue, which is hard to read and usually reserved to links on the Web?
 
O living flame of love
that tenderly wounds my soul
in its deepest center! Since
now you are not oppressive,
now consummate! if it be your will:
tear through the veil of this sweet encounter!
in its deepest center!
  1. This feast takes place in the substance of the soul where neither the center of the senses nor the devil
    can reach. Therefore, the more interior it is, the more secure, substantial, and delightful, because the more
    interior it is, the purer it is.
God works them in it
and with it, for it wills and consents to them.2 Since by saying that the flame wounds in its deepest center the
soul indicates that it has other, less profound centers, we ought to explain what is meant by these words.
  1. The deepest center of an object we take to signify the farthest point attainable by that object’s being and power and force of operation and movement. So fire or a rock have the natural power and motion necessary to reach their center, but they cannot pass beyond it. They can fail to reach and rest in this center if a powerful contrary movement impedes them.
Accordingly, we assert that when a rock is in the ground it is, after a fashion, in its center, even though it is not in its deepest center, for it is within the sphere of its center, activity, and movement; yet we do not assert that it has reached its deepest center, which is the middle of the earth. Thus the rock always possesses the
power, strength, and inclination to go deeper and reach the ultimate and deepest center; and this it would do if the hindrance were removed. When once it arrives and no longer has any power or inclination toward further movement, we declare that it is in its deepest center.

12.** The soul’s center is God.** When it has reached God with all the capacity of its being and the strength of
its operation and inclination, it will have attained its final and deepest center in God, it will know, love, and
enjoy God with all its might. When it has not reached this point (as happens in this mortal life, in which the soul
cannot reach God with all its strength, even though in its center - which is God through grace and his selfcommunication
to it), it still has movement and strength for advancing further and is not satisfied. Although it is
in its center, it is not yet in its deepest center, for it can go deeper in God.
Just a few places in the Living Flame of Love, where St John uses the term, “Center.”

The entire text can be read on-line here.

Jim
 
Thank you, Jim. And it sounds to me as if that deepest center is also the center of the heart as described in Catholic catechism, “the seat of moral personality”. That deepest center is in all of us but we all have not converted our hearts to oneness with our own center. Many of us remain alienated from our deepest selves and from God even though Christ himself has shown us the way and given us an example to follow.
 
I don’t have a ready answer. Human nature is a huge subject, in my view.

I cannot give you a full account of what makes up human nature. I’m sorry. I can say, however, that it appears it is a mix of matter and spirit.
A mix of matter and spirit is a good basic description of human nature. It is more to the point instead of figuring out one’s core of being or essence or deepest center or …

It is the “mix” which makes it possible for the Kingdom of God to be within us. We share in the Kingdom of God because our State of Sanctifying Grace is precisely sharing in God’s life. (CCC Glossary, Sanctifying Grace, page 898)
 
Michael Mayo;14635235:
Because it’s good for people to know where the terms originated. Your original post equated “core of my being”, a Hindu term, with the Christian heart or soul, which is not the same thing.

I included a nice link to the Catholic explanation of the Kingdom of God in my previous post did you check it out?🙂
But the term “core” does not originate exclusively from Hindu Sanskrit.

Yes I did check it out a bit. Thank you.
 
A mix of matter and spirit is a good basic description of human nature. It is more to the point instead of figuring out one’s core of being or essence or deepest center or …

It is the “mix” which makes it possible for the Kingdom of God to be within us. We share in the Kingdom of God because our State of Sanctifying Grace is precisely sharing in God’s life. (CCC Glossary, Sanctifying Grace, page 898)
That’s a helpful way to put it—I would agree with that.
 
Galnextdoor;14635247:
But the term “core” does not originate exclusively from Hindu Sanskrit.
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core (n.)
late 14c., probably from Old French coeur “core of fruit, heart of lettuce,” literally “heart,” from Latin cor “heart,” from PIE root *kerd- “heart.” Nuclear reactor sense is from 1949.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=core

I often wondered about Latin “cor”.

Meanwhile
In Hindu philosophy, the Sanskrit sentence - Aham Brahmāsmiti (Devanagari: अहं ब्रह्मास्मिति)- means I am of Brahman"(Aham Brahmasmi) or “I am the Infinite Reality”. It is one of the four Mahavakyas used to explain the unity of macrocosm and microcosm.

google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&client=safari&channel=ipad_bm&site=&source=hp&q=Aham+Bhramasmia&oq=Aham+Bhramasmia&gs_l=tablet-gws.12…0i13k1l3.3406.9160.0.12704.4.4.0.0.0.0.254.758.0j2j2.4.0…0…1.2.64.tablet-gws…0.2.467.0…0j35i39k1.PCc_5Y0rSkU
 
Try reading St John of the Cross, “Living Flame of Love.”

He uses the term “Center” of the soul often, just as ThisOne explained.

In contemplative prayer, Christ draws us to the Center of our being, where He dwells with the Father and Holy Spirit.

It is there, that the grace of divine love is experienced.

But, instead of arguing about interior prayer, you should first get yourself at least familiar with the terms

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Jim
Actually, I am not familiar with that translator. I have seen that this particular book is used in New Age “Christian” retreats. The problem with books about St. John of the Cross is the same problem with books about St. Francis of Assisi. Many people have written their own interpretation of what these saints said and did, and meant.

As for this comment, “But, instead of arguing about interior prayer, you should first get yourself at least familiar with the terms.”
Please don’t make this personal by trying to insult me with implied ignorance. That is very
unChristian.

I am not arguing I am trying to inform people so they wont be taken in by New Age ideology.

The*** Catholic church*** teaches that there is supernatural state of soul in which God is known in a way that no human effort or exertion could ever succeed in producing.

The Hindus teach that there is a supernatural center of being that can be reached through meditation using certain techniques and there you can become one with God. You can become a part of the Divine Reality. (Nirvana)
“The core of my being is the ultimate reality, the root and ground of the universe, the source of all that exists. I am the ultimate reality.” Is a Hindu mantra.

The problem is that people get these two confused. There are supposedly Catholic priests out there who claim you can become one with the Divine Reality by using what they call “contemplative prayer or centering prayer.” The goal of these people is to change people into non-dualist thinking. (There is no black and white. There is no absolute right and absolute wrong. There is no spiritual punishment reward system. There is no hell or purgatory. Things die and take other forms. The kingdom of God is now, in whatever form you exist.)

“Letting go of thoughts is participating in the core action and the mind of Christ and preparing the mind to be a non-dual thought system.”
youtube.com/watch?v=TufpAQUXpTo
“If Mary were to appear and tell you she wished to take some pain from you or something, you should say “Not now dearie, I am doing my centering prayer.” (Supposedly, a quote from Fr. Thomas Keating.)
This woman, in the link above, frequently gives retreats at the Center for Action and Contemplation and other “Catholic” venues. She says centering prayer or “contemplative prayer” started 40 years ago. Just listen to her history of how it came to be. (It’s what I have stated before.)”

Where is the focus on God in this? It seems to be all about controlling and emptying your mind. Not thinking. Turning your mind off. Going into alternate state of awareness and intermingling with the Divine Presence. Sounds Hindu to me.

This is why the Church condemned the mixing of Eastern religious practices with Catholic religious practices in this document. vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20030203_new-age_en.html

Currently, I am reading the Diary of St. Faustina, a modern day mystic. So far, when Jesus has come to her, He has not suggested that we go into an alternate state of mind so we become one with Him. He suggests that we receive daily Holy Communion and gave her more indulgenced prayers to pray for His divine mercy. His love is there for all who ask for forgiveness.
 
Michael Mayo;14635764:
core (n.)
late 14c., probably from Old French coeur “core of fruit, heart of lettuce,” literally “heart,” from Latin cor “heart,” from PIE root *kerd- “heart.” Nuclear reactor sense is from 1949.

etymonline.com/index.php?term=core
I often wondered about Latin “cor”.

Meanwhile
In Hindu philosophy, the Sanskrit sentence - Aham Brahmāsmiti (Devanagari: अहं ब्रह्मास्मिति)- means I am of Brahman"(Aham Brahmasmi) or “I am the Infinite Reality”. It is one of the four Mahavakyas used to explain the unity of macrocosm and microcosm.

google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&client=safari&channel=ipad_bm&site=&source=hp&q=Aham+Bhramasmia&oq=Aham+Bhramasmia&gs_l=tablet-gws.12…0i13k1l3.3406.9160.0.12704.4.4.0.0.0.0.254.758.0j2j2.4.0…0…1.2.64.tablet-gws…0.2.467.0…0j35i39k1.PCc_5Y0rSkU

I am not talking about a word. I am talking about a phrase. The "core of my being "which is the first part of the mantra that I cited. You say those words to a practicing Hindu and she can finish the rest of the mantra. I am infinite reality is the last part of the mantra. Aham Brahmasmi is like saying the Our Father to a Catholic. If you say “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name” to a Catholic they can finish the rest of the prayer. We call it the Our Father, which is part of the prayer. Others call it the Lord’s prayer.
 
Are you the author of that website? Why isn’t the creator of that website identified? How does a visitor know that the information there is accurate? Why is everything in blue, which is hard to read and usually reserved to links on the Web?
No, I did not author this website, but I previously posted a link from the Catholic Catechism that said the Kingdom of God is the Church and gave a link. (Essentially the same thing as this website.) This did not seem to have any impact, so I thought perhaps a link to a more folksy explanation might help.
 
No, I did not author this website, but I previously posted a link from the Catholic Catechism that said the Kingdom of God is the Church and gave a link. This did not seem to have any impact, so I thought perhaps a link to a more folksy explanation might help.😊
To my mind, the kingdom of God is a huge subject and isn’t just one thing. I’m no scripture scholar, but that much I’m pretty clear on. So for me to agree it’s this, or that, or something else would be agreeing to something that is untrue. If we want to study what the kingdom of God is, I think we have to do it methodically and systematically. But this is a discussion list and I don’t know that anyone is up for that. :cool:
 
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