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[PJM]

I have not “translated” any part of the bible. I have summarized but I include the scripture reference for you to check out.
I do not use commentaries in support of my positions and I find the frequent reliance on Haydock a bit depressing. Can you not support your positions from the bible? It looks to me that the answer to any verse that disagrees with your religion’s teachings is " it is a metaphor".
I will respond to your question about John 6:46-57 after this discussion is finished. (It took over an hour to (name removed by moderator)ut this reply.)

My friend, which post do you reference that I failed to supply Biblical evidence:shrug:

God Bless you friend,

PJM

 

[blanchardman]

My FRIEND, your seeking personal approval NOT thee TRUTH

I’ll let you and God work it out

Easter Blessings,

Thank you for your friendship. I include you in my prayers as a friend.
The only approval I seek is Gods. What I hope for is that you can see the truth in God’s word.
I hope I have not offended in any way. If I have I apologize.

 

[blanchardman]

My friend, which post do you reference that I failed to supply Biblical evidence:shrug:

God Bless you friend,

PJM

Post 737
“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same"

You later use them as the same but do not make the connection.

"Ecc 12: 7

[7] And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.

WHICH verifies my position of Body= dust
SOUL= emulation of our God [Gen 1:26-37] and similar to GOD is immortal"

The spirit, which came from God, fits your description. The soul is what the clay image plus the spirit became.Gen 2:7

God here is Elohim (the triune God) and it describes the three parts of the triune man (spirit,body& soul).

 

[PJM]

Thank you for your friendship. I include you in my prayers as a friend.
The only approval I seek is Gods. What I hope for is that you can see the truth in God’s word.
I hope I have not offended in any way. If I have I apologize.

And you too are in mine, but try to comprehend that TRUTH in order to be TRUTH has to be singular per defied issue.

And No, I took no offense. I’ve been sharing God’s TRUTH for 20+ years, and am not easily offended.

Easter Blessings,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Post 737
“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same"

You later use them as the same but do not make the connection.

"Ecc 12: 7

[7] And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.

WHICH verifies my position of Body= dust
SOUL= emulation of our God [Gen 1:26-37] and similar to GOD is immortal"

The spirit, which came from God, fits your description. The soul is what the clay image plus the spirit became.Gen 2:7

God here is Elohim (the triune God) and it describes the three parts of the triune man (spirit,body& soul).

OK, but in using your own terminology [highlighted above]

If, as you seem to sate the Soul is “like God” IMMORTAL; than how can it die or be destroyed?

And I’m still unclear by what you think “spirit” [by defination] means?

Easter Blessings t and THANKS for the prayers, MUCH needed!

Patrick

 

[blanchardman]

I see by your response that I was not clear in my post.
These two sections:
“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same"

Ecc 12: 7
[7] And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.

WHICH verifies my position of Body= dust
SOUL= emulation of our God [Gen 1:26-37] and similar to GOD is immortal"
Were quotes of your statements from post #737

I do not know how to get secondary quotes in shaded boxes.

 

[PJM]

I see by your response that I was not clear in my post.
These two sections:
“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same"

Ecc 12: 7
[7] And the dust return into its earth, from whence it was, and the spirit return to God, who gave it.

WHICH verifies my position of Body= dust
SOUL= emulation of our God [Gen 1:26-37] and similar to GOD is immortal"
Were quotes of your statements from post #737

I do not know how to get secondary quotes in shaded boxes.

Thank you

To hi-light a section you wish to quote, do the following

[1] in CAPS type **

then at the end of the section you wish to quote, again CAPS
type …**…****

1st in CAPS

type quote in CAPS in periphrasis … ] QUOTE

END with typing quote in CAPS in periphrasis /…] /QUOTE

 

[blanchardman]

Question1:

My friend, which post do you reference that I failed to supply Biblical evidence:shrug:

God Bless you friend,

PJM

Answer:

“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same

Question2:

Perhaps if you’s define both “Spirit” & “Soul”, I will be better able to grasp your point?

In Gen 2:7 the triune God(Elohim) formed man out of clay(flesh) and breathed into him the breath of life(spirit). When the two united Adam became a living soul.
In 1 Thes 5:23 Paul says man is “spirit and soul and body”
Body is from the earth and will return to the earth where it will suffer corruption.
The spirit came from (out of) God. It is our connection to God. It must return to God therefore it is indestructible.
The soul is the third part of man. It is not the body. It is not the spirit but is attached to the spirit and they both leave the body when the body dies(Gen 35:18). It can be separated from the spirit and there after be subject to death and destruction.

Question3:

Nor do I recall if you take Literally John 6: 46-57?

Matthew 13:34King James Version (KJV)

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

 

[PJM]

Question1:

Q #2:

In Gen 2:7 the triune God(Elohim) formed man out of clay(flesh) and breathed into him the breath of life(spirit). When the two united Adam became a living soul.
In 1 Thes 5:23 Paul says man is “spirit and soul and body”

Q #3:

Mt 13:34

34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

OK:shrug:

So if THIS is a parable WHY?:

Jn 6: 46-57

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I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.

** For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed**. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.[WHICH is precisely what takes place in Catholic Holy Communion

[COLOR=“red”]Q: #1 HOW could Jesus have been more specific or precise in the words that He choose to use?

**Q #2 ** WHY?
Jn 6: 67-70 [after many abandoned Jesus]

After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.Then Jesus said to the twelve:** Will you also go away? Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.**Q #3
1st Cor, 11:23-30
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

[26] For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. ** Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. ** But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice**. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. **[30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

How can this be if not literal?

Q #4

** Lk 24:35**
And they told what things were done in the way; and how they knew him in the breaking of the bread.

Acts 2:42
And they were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the communication of the breaking of bread,[MEANING the Eucharist] and in prayers

rom the Catechism a bit of history:

1345 As early as the second century we have the witness of St. Justin Martyr for the basic lines of the order of the Eucharistic celebration. They have stayed the same until our own day for all the great liturgical families. St. Justin wrote to the pagan emperor Antoninus Pius (138-161) around the year 155, explaining what Christians did:

Edited for space

When the prayers are concluded we exchange the kiss.

When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the “eucharisted” bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent.

Q #5
Then we have the testimony of
Mt 26:26-28
Mk 14: 22-24
LK 22: 17-20
John 6 above
Paul 1st Cor 11 above
5 DIFFERENT BIBLE AUTHORS DIVINELY INSPIRED GIVE WITNESS

GOOGLE “Eucharistic Miracles”

My FRIEND anyone who chooses to leave the RCC for ANY reason chooses to abandon Jesus Himself!

Heb 6: 1-8
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and imposition of hands [Confirmation], and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit. For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, [GOD Himself in Catholic Holy Communion] and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

** It is impossible: The meaning is, that it is impossible for such as have fallen after baptism, to be again baptized; and very hard for such as have apostatized from the faith, after having received many graces, to return again to the happy state from which they fell.** **DOUAY Bible explanation **

[6] And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.For the earth that drinketh in the rain which cometh often upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is tilled, receiveth blessing from God. But that which bringeth forth thorns and briers, is reprobate, and very near unto a curse, whose end is to be burnt.

One choosing to leave the RCC does so with GRAVE personal risk of salvation

I’m praying for U MY Friend!

Patrick

 

[blanchardman]

1 Thes 5:23
HEB 4:12
Ezekiel18:4
Ezekiel 18:20
Matthew10:28

All five CAN NOT be taken literally.

Yet!

John6:46-57 MUST be taken literally despite what Matthew 13:34 says.

Is this correct?
If so WHY.
Please no long drawn out proof or reproof.
Just answer from your heart.

 

[Kliska]

1 Thes 5:23
HEB 4:12
Ezekiel18:4
Ezekiel 18:20
Matthew10:28

All five CAN NOT be taken literally.

What is it you are trying to say with this list, because I’m not seeing the connection?

John6:46-57 MUST be taken literally despite what Matthew 13:34 says.

I’m a protestant who as yet doesn’t confess the Real Presence, and even from my POV this “argument” doesn’t make sense. Jesus didn’t “only” speak in parables, esp. to the disciples, so that cannot determine whether Jesus was being literal or speaking symbolically when He said, “This is my body.”

 

[spiderweb]

I apologize for not being able to follow this whole thread, but decided to post what I wrote on a similar thread pertaining to John 6, and hope that it contributes something to the discussion.

Originally posted by spiderweb

In John 6, Jesus says that he will give his flesh to eat and in the accounts of the last supper, he broke the bread and “gave it to them and said, “This is my body” (Mark 14:22). Jesus gave them something physical to literally eat and chew, not just something spiritual to believe or contemplate within their hearts.

John 6:51, If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh”.

Jesus literally gave his flesh for the life of the world. Jesus literally gave his disciples bread to eat. When he gave them the bread to eat, Jesus literally said, “This is my body”. Jesus also literally ascended into heaven (John 6:62, Acts 1:9). Everything Jesus spoke about in John 6 was fulfilled literally in a physical manner not some of it physically and some of it spiritually (edit- or some of it metaphorically), although it all has spiritual elements along with the physical elements.

The term “remembrance” used at the Last Supper in Greek is “anamnesis” which is only used four times in the New Testament and each refers to a sacrificial offering of both Old and New Covenant (Luke 22:19, 1 Cor 11:24-25, Heb 10:3). The Greek word for remembering someone or something in memorial is “mnemosunon” (Mat. 26:13, Mark 14:9, and Acts 10:4). Jesus commands his Apostles to do this “anamnesis” sacrificial action at the Last Supper and not merely a “mnemosunon” symbolic memorial action. This is demonstrated as being practiced by the Apostles in 1 Corinthians 11 and is also alluded to in Hebrews 13:10 when it speaks about Christians having an “altar”, which by definition is used for sacrificial offerings and not for “remembering” (mnemosunon) a previous sacrifice, in which they partake in (See also 1 Cor 10:16-17).

It’s difficult to have a purely spiritual “belief” or symbolic understanding of John 6 when everything around it that pertains to Jesus’ words have a very literal physical meaning not only in their immediate fulfillment, but also within the early practice of the Christians in obedience to Christ’s command of “Do this in remembrance of me”.

I would also add that in Verse 51 as quoted above, Jesus connects the bread that they will eat with the same bread which he will give for the life of the world. It is one bread that is both given to them to eat and given for the life of the world. To say the bread that he will give to them to eat is purely symbolic, is also to say that Jesus death for the life of the world is purely symbolic according to John 6:51. I hope that adds something to the discussion.

 

[blanchardman]

What is it you are trying to say with this list, because I’m not seeing the connection?

This is part of an ongoing debate. Is the spirit and soul the same thing? Is the soul in and of itself immortal?

I’m a protestant who as yet doesn’t confess the Real Presence, and even from my POV this “argument” doesn’t make sense. Jesus didn’t “only” speak in parables, esp. to the disciples, so that cannot determine whether Jesus was being literal or speaking symbolically when He said, “This is my body.”

Matthew 13:34
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

 

[PJM]

1 Thes 5:23
HEB 4:12
Ezekiel18:4
Ezekiel 18:20
Matthew10:28

All five CAN NOT be taken literally.

My FRiend you ARE intentionally [or not?] avoiding MY POINT.

PLEASE answer the question about whether or not the passages I POSTED MUST BE TAKEN LITERALLY

Mt 10:18 [Yes or NO?]

Mt 16:18-19 " "

Jn 17:17-20 " "

1 Jn 5: 16-17 " "

Jn 20: 19-23 " "

Mt 28: 19-20 " "

Hen 6: 1-7 " "

1st Cor 11:23-30 " "

PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO

Yet!

John6:46-57 MUST be taken literally despite what Matthew 13:34 says.

Is this correct?
If so WHY.
Please no long drawn out proof or reproof.
Just answer from your heart.

Jn 6: 46-57
" Amen, amen I {GOD} say unto you: He that believeth in me, hath everlasting life. [48] I am the bread of life.Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. [50] This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever;** and the bread that I will give, is my flesh,** for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen [TRULY-TRULY] I [GOD] say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

"For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him".

Mt 13:34 " [34] All these things Jesus spoke in parables to the multitudes: and without parables he did not speak to them"

Is this correct?
If so WHY

I can’t minimize THEE truth because its convenient for YOU:shrug:.

**My friend have you ever been exposed to the One Infallible Rule for right understanding of the Bible? Which BTW is a Catholic Book.

Never Ever; can, may or DOES
One verse, passage or teaching have the power or authority to
Invalidate, make void or override another
Verse, passage or teaching:
Were this even the slightest possibility;[it’s NOT!] it would render the entire Bible useless to teach or lean Christ Faith”**

So ARE THESE True?

John 14:6
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Jn 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mt 19:17
Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

& I can supply numerous OTHER Bible truths as well. Your ASSUMPTION based on its convenience to what you WANT to belief is extremely weak

Your saying, BUT cannot prove that Jesus ONLY, Only spoke in parables. That is a foolish position my Friend.

John 10:30
I and the Father are one.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him.

Matthew 8:27
But the men wondered, saying: What manner of man is this, for the winds and the sea obey him?

Acts Of Apostles 5:32
And we are witnesses of these things and the Holy Ghost,** whom God hath given to all that obey him.**

Easter Blessings my friend
Patrick

 

[PJM]

1 Thes 5:23

Some food for prayerful though IF, if, you’re actually seeking the TRUTH

It seems to me that one’s entire life ought to be in a search –mode of seeking “truth” for one thing or another. Meaning of course the singular, compulsory end-reality to every defined issue. Surely there cannot exist more than one such factual-judgment to each dispute; each quandary, each question life confronts us with. After all; what is; … is!
It also seems to me, that because truth must be as it is; singular per defined issue, that no one is able to attain the inner peace that is deep-rooted into our person triggering a deep seated longing in our hearts and souls, without first resolving, which elusive reality it is that we seek. Is there a “truth elixir?” What is now blocking my path to inner-peace and joy? Inner peace” is exactly what our God desires for each of us. John 14: 27 “Peace I leave with you; not as the world giveth, do I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.”

Dictionary Definition of “Truth”

The true or actual state of a matter:

1. Conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement.
2. A verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths.
   3. The state or character of being true.
   4 Actuality or actual existence.
   5 An obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
   6. Honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
   7. (Often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and transcending
   perceived experience:
   8 Agreement with a standard or original.
   9. Accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
   10. Archaic. Fidelity or constancy.

Ten definitions of just one reality testifies that “Truth” must be singular per defined issue in-order to actually be “The Truth.” Discovering it for ourselves is the key to our true inner peace.

Pope Benedict articulated this well, this fact, in his first address as new Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, with a clarity that is indisputable, sharing with us exactly what truth must be: “There cannot be your truth and my truth or there would be NO truth.” He also later on shared this: “Truth is not determined by a majority vote.” And I will add that truth cannot be our own invention. Nor can it be what we want it to be, just because we “want it to be.”

Father Hardon shared this about truth: “Truth is the condition of grace, it is the source of grace, it is the channel of grace; it is the divinely ordained requirement of grace.” … From “How Infallible is the Teaching Church”

Easter Blessings my Friend,

Patrick

 

[blanchardman]

PLEASE answer the question about whether or not the passages I POSTED MUST BE TAKEN LITERALLY

Mt 10:18 [Yes or NO?]

Mt 16:18-19 " "

Jn 17:17-20 " "

1 Jn 5: 16-17 " "

Jn 20: 19-23 " "

Mt 28: 19-20 " "

Hen 6: 1-7 " "

1st Cor 11:23-30 " "

PLEASE ANSWER YES OR NO

Yes with one exception. In Matthew 16 “rock” is not literal.

So ARE THESE True?

Yes.

“For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him”.

Remember"communion" had not been “ordained” at the time Jesus said this. The multitude listening took it to “literally” to mean cannibalism and walled away. The apostles understood it to be a parable and stayed. They might not know the meaning but knew they would learn soon enough.

Your saying, BUT cannot prove that Jesus ONLY, Only spoke in parables. That is a foolish position my Friend.

No! I am not saying that. Matthew wrote that Jesus spoke “to the multitude” only in parables.

I hope I have answered all your questions. Please answer mine.
Can you show proof from the bible, and just the bible, that the

“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same

 

[spiderweb]

Can you show proof from the bible, and just the bible, that the
“Spirit” & Soul" ARE one and the same

I’m trying not to get in the middle of this “debate”, but after reading several pages of this back and forth, I don’t see anyone defining what is meant by the words “Spirit” and “Soul”.

If I’ve simply missed it, than ignore this post. But if the terms aren’t defined, your both just talking past each other.

 

[blanchardman]

I’m trying not to get in the middle of this “debate”, but after reading several pages of this back and forth, I don’t see anyone defining what is meant by the words “Spirit” and “Soul”.

If I’ve simply missed it, than ignore this post. But if the terms aren’t defined, your both just talking past each other.

I have defined them from the bible.
Body: That part of “man” that came from the earth.
Spirit: That part of “man” that came from God.
Soul: That part of “man” that came into existence when the first two parts came together.
Ref: Gen 2:7

 

[spiderweb]

Originally Posted by blanchardman

I have defined them from the bible.
Body: That part of “man” that came from the earth.
Spirit: That part of “man” that came from God.
Soul: That part of “man” that came into existence when the first two parts came together.
Ref: Gen 2:7

Body: In my opinion, there is no disagreement here, unnecessary to define.
(chronological numbering for easy reference)

Soul: (Hebrew nephesh and Greek psyche) regardless of English translation.

1. Can mean persons, creatures, or any living thing. When used in this sense it is usually translated as persons or creatures (Gen 1:24, Gen 12:5, Lev 11:10, Acts 2:41, Rom 13:1).
2. That which gives life to a body. Sometimes translated as “life” (Deut 12:23, 1 Kings 17:21-22, Lamentations 2:12, Luke 12:19-20).
3. The seat of emotions, feelings, and desires sometimes translated as “heart” (Jonah 2:7, Micah 7:1, Matt 12:18, Matt 26:38, Rev 18:14)

Spirit: (Hebrew ruwach and Greek pneuma) regardless of English translation.
4. God (John 4:24)

1. Holy Spirit, third person of the Trinity (Matt 28:19, 2 Cor 13:14)
2. Angels or demons (Mark 1:26, Heb 1:13-14)
3. Air, wind, or breath. (Amos 4:13, Job 15:13)
4. That which gives life to a body. (Gen 6:17, Ps 104:29-30, Zachariah 12:1, James 2:26, Rev 11:11)
5. The seat of emotions and feelings (Dan 7:15, Mark 8:12, Luke 1:47)
6. Moral attitude, “poor in spirit”, etc. (Matt 5:3)

There is no indication in Genesis 2:7 that when body and spirit were joined together that a third entity “soul” also came into being (Body+Spirit+Soul= Living Person).
Rather… Body+Spirit= Living Person (i.e. Living Soul according to definition #1 from the bible).

 

[spiderweb]

Originally Posted by blanchardman (post #741)
Do you need to know what the soul is to believe what is spoken in the Word of God about it?

Yes. As seen from the definitions above, it can have multiple meanings. We need to know what the “meaning” of soul is within the written Word of God; otherwise we are just throwing scriptural “proof texts” back and forth without going anywhere.

It is one of the three parts of man. 1 Thes 5:23

”…and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless…(1 Thes 5:23).
“Spirit” here can refer to the principle of life from God (#8 above), “soul” can refer to emotions and desires of the heart (#3 above). This is not “proof” of a third part of man.

It can be separated from the spirit. HEB 4:12

…piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart (Heb 4:12)
This is figurative language starting with speaking of the two edged sword. Figuratively the “soul” represents the joints and marrow, (the living body #1 above), and the “spirit” represents the thoughts and intentions of the heart, (#9 above). This is referencing judgment (verses 10-11) where the intentions of our actions will be laid bare. Good actions of the living body (soul), may have had bad motivations of the heart (spirit). God’s judgment will pierce through the appearance of good actions, and look at the heart and thus “separated”. (similar idea 1 Cor 4:5)

Another way of looking at it is that they both refer to that which gives life (definitions #2 Deut 12:23, and #8 James 2:26). So, yes they can be separated which would bring about physical death.

It can die. Ezekiel 18:4&20
It can be destroyed. Matthew 10:28

”Behold all souls are mine….the soul that sins shall die” (Eze 18:4 & 20).
This is obviously in the context of eternal life or death (Compare with Romans 2:7-9). The book of Revelation speaks of this and even identifies it as “the second death, the lake of fire; and if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire” (Rev 20:14-15). The beast and the false prophet were thrown “alive into the lake of fire”, but others were physically killed before being thrown in (Rev 19:20). The devil and his followers from among the nations are also thrown into the lake of fire “where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever”(Rev 20:8-10).

Eternal “death” does not mean destruction or annihilation; it means eternal torment day and night in the lake of fire.

As you noticed from the biblical definitions of soul and spirit they can both be used to mean the same thing in some instances. In fact in many places they are directly interchangeable. Compare the following:
”My spirit abides among you, fear not” (Haggai 2:5), compared to ”Be instructed, O Jerusalem, lest my soul depart from you” (Jeremiah 6:8).

”I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God” (Rev 6:9), compared to “…and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb 12:23) in the heavenly Jerusalem.

…that his spirit may be saved…”(1 Cor 5:5) compared with ”…will save his soul from death…”(James 5:20).

What is the spirit mentioned in 1 Cor 5:5 being saved from?
Perhaps this is meaning the same as “soul” in Matt 10:28. God can destroy the soul or spirit, but Matt 10:28 does not say that he will destroy it. We know from Rev 20:10 that they are tormented forever and we also know that that is where they go (Matt 25:41). They can’t be tormented if they are destroyed. Perhaps Matt 10:28 means that even though God created all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4), those who reject him will be “destroyed” or “cut off” from eternal life in heaven (John 15:5-6), but not destroyed in the sense of annihilation (John 5:29).