do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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nonCathlics who believe Catholic things (like that Jesus is God, that He died for our sins, that only He can purify us, etc, etc) go to Heaven if they do everything Jesus said… (not as easy as it sounds, by the wya)…

but when they have gotten through what probably will be a long, excrutiating stay in Purgatory they will no longer be “non-Catholic”

It is a lot easier to become Catholic now…

that’s not to say it is easy being a devout, true Catholic. It is very difficult in a world that is so ANTI- Catholic & un-Catholic and pagan … :banghead::ouch::hypno:

but it is … from everything i have read (& from experienced:eek:) much easier than waiting until you die and must go through all that in Purgatory…

some saint said tht if you wait till you die to do your Purgatory it will be like paying
1 millioin $$$ for something you could have gotten for a few pennies…

and i belive that… mostly because of the weird things i have EXPERIENCED rather than read about… (i have suffered terribly from my the consequences of my sins but the longer i stay faithful to Christ through pryaing rosaries, Masses, etc… the better things get… although, of course, again, it is very difficult to be a practicing Catholic…that is always the case, no matter how much purgation you go through…)
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Catholic things like Jesus is God?

How about an Isaiah thing:
Isaiah 43:
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Do you understand that there is a difference between the Roman Catholic Church and the catholic (universal church) as understood by Christians were are not part of the Roman Catholic Church? The real question is:

Can a sinner become part of the universal catholic church apart from being a member of the Roman Catholic Church?
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yes, but why woiuld he choose that ultimately more difficult pathway?

because, (I answer myself :D) he thinks it is an easier way…

well, it is an easier way if one wants to conform to the ways of the world… It is MUCH much easier to be ANYTHING but Catholic in this world… any religion, that is.

however, again, Purgatory is (from what I’ve heard from accounts of people who visited from There) excrutiating… (book: Purgatory by Fr. Shoupe)

I would choose the persecution and other pains of THIS life over the “excrutiating” ones of the next - anytime.

one way to alleviate the pain &/or duration of the Purgatory (time of purgation) you receive in the next world is to offer up all your sufferings on a continuing basis NOW… in reparation for your past sins… (and current ones also)…

sexual sins (saints tell us) get people into Hell more often than any other… so i woiuld start with those ones…

sins against charity are 2nd.

i can FEEL the power of doing this… I know it is real… 🙂
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
Catholic things like Jesus is God?

How about an Isaiah thing:
Isaiah 43:
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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I’m not sure what your point is??

that Jesus is NOT God??
 
no answer from Fellow Yeshua…

I didn’t believe Jesus was God either until i had some interesting “experiences” and learned this and that from them…

so i can u/stand someone not believin this…

They are missing out… just like everyone who is not fully (catechized) practicing Catholic is missing out…

As one saint said “The Church IS Jesus”… :heaven:
 
distracted said:
Protestants will not, in Heaven, see the Church as anything but what Christ made (makes?) it to be (The Church on Earth is an on-going “project” as it were. Obviously, in Heavne it will be perfect… meaning fully and wholly Catholic)…

Protestants who make it There will see things through their newly-acquired (through Purgatory) Catholic eyes…

by** Catholic** i mean… don’t know how exactly to say it but… :confused: but there is a Spirit of Catholicism as one writer said… It is the Spirit of Christ (the Real Presence)…

One will know Christ (and himself & other things…) better after having spent much time with Him in that Real (tangible) Presence (which is in the Catholic Churches 24/7)… In my opinion, what one goes through @ the RP is what he will go through in Purgatory after death… I would say i KNOW this but i have yet to hear the official Chruch teaching about it. However, I don’t see how this could not agree w/ the RCC teachings… since it stands to reason we would have to be in Christ’s very own powerful Presence for a long time in order to be purified sufficiently as to be able to enter Heaven, where no impure thing will be allowed (Rev 21:27)

i’ve heard that the souls in Purgatory gather around the Tabernacle where Jesus abides… (don’t recall if it was a saint who said this but some reliable devout Catholic person… )

I totally believe this and will not stop beliving it until and unless the pope or some other trustworthy orthodox Catholic person tells me otherwise…

If that is true, then we ourselves are in Purgatory when There. I totally belive this… been There many many times…
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So, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? 🤷
 
distracted said:
no answer from Fellow Yeshua…

I didn’t believe Jesus was God either until i had some interesting “experiences” and learned this and that from them…

so i can u/stand someone not believin this…

They are missing out… just like everyone who is not fully (catechized) practicing Catholic is missing out…

As one saint said “The Church IS Jesus”… :heaven:
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I believe Jesus is God. I’m fully catechized but have renounced a few definitive Catholic traits. What will I miss?

I mean no war with you by the way. Just love…
 
distracted said:
yes, but why woiuld he choose that ultimately more difficult pathway?

because, (I answer myself :D) he thinks it is an easier way…

well, it is an easier way if one wants to conform to the ways of the world… It is MUCH much easier to be ANYTHING but Catholic in this world… any religion, that is.

however, again, Purgatory is (from what I’ve heard from accounts of people who visited from There) excrutiating… (book: Purgatory by Fr. Shoupe)

I would choose the persecution and other pains of THIS life over the “excrutiating” ones of the next - anytime.

one way to alleviate the pain &/or duration of the Purgatory (time of purgation) you receive in the next world is to offer up all your sufferings on a continuing basis NOW… in reparation for your past sins… (and current ones also)…

sexual sins (saints tell us) get people into Hell more often than any other… so i woiuld start with those ones…

sins against charity are 2nd.

i can FEEL the power of doing this… I know it is real… 🙂
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You mention here , people who have visited purgatory and have returned to tell about their experience. I think that is what you said. This seems more that a bit strange to me. Luke 16 tells of the rich man who’s soul went to the place of the dead. He then says that no one from there can cross over to us ( the living ) and so on. May I ask who DID come back to tell of their experiences there ? A thread a few weeks ago said that the R.C. Church does not speak of time spent in purgatory in terms of days or years as time is not measured that way in eternity. I am paraphrasing but you get the idea. I read in the last few minutes someone referring to 40 years in purgatory. How can that be? Just wondering.NLM
 
nlm said:
He did not go on to say and must be a member of the Roman Catholic Church. NLM
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But he did have his apostles go on to found the Church.
nlm said:
The BIBLE on the other hand is relevant to ALL Christians. That my friend is THE source to live by.
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Reference, please?
2nd_Adam said:
Does the Catechism really teach people from non-Christians religions will be in Heaven apart from faith in Jesus Christ? How does the Roman Catholic Church reconcile this view and be obedient to the command of Jesus Christ to make disciples from every tongue, tribe, and nations? Does the Roman Catholic Church no longer support missions work, since faith in Jesus Christ is no longer a requirment to enter Heaven?
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It’s called “invincible ignorance”. Those who have not, through no fault of their own, not heard the gospel message yet still seek the Lord in their heart may be granted salvation.
2nd_Adam said:
Do you understand that there is a difference between the Roman Catholic Church and the catholic (universal church) as understood by Christians were are not part of the Roman Catholic Church? The real question is:

Can a sinner become part of the universal catholic church apart from being a member of the Roman Catholic Church?
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Good point. I think this discussion gets bogged down due to the lack of understanding of the Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic parish down the road.
Voice_Of_Truth said:
ANYWAYS, you don’t have to be Catholic to get into Heaven, not once did God mention praying to Mary or confessing sin to a priest in the Bible, so why people do astonishes me. Once again, not trying to be rude, just my opinion.

God Bless.
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Why should such practices astonish you?
TristanCross said:
He who seeks life finds death.
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Follow_Yeshua said:
It’s not a Catholic created doctrine. The Prophet Isaiah proclaimed it.
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I don’t think you’ll find that Catholics are arguing that it’s a “Catholic created doctrine” that Jesus is God. It’s a divinely revealed thingy.
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
I believe Jesus is God. I’m fully catechized but have renounced a few definitive Catholic traits. What will I miss?

I mean no war with you by the way. Just love…
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Distracted …hey brother what will I miss? Now you’re not answering me…lol…tag! you’re it! lol

Hope you’re having a great day!
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
Distracted …hey brother what will I miss? Now you’re not answering me…lol…tag! you’re it! lol

Hope you’re having a great day!
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not to disappoint but i am not a “brother”… except in the generic sense… I am female.

what will you miss?
what do you mean - ?

by not being Cathlic in this life???

well, you have to be Catholic to understand what blessings there are to be had in being Catholic…🙂 (and also what curses :eek: .:(, if you are an outspoken, evangelistic kind of Catholic)…

if that’s what you are referring to…?:confused:
 
nlm said:
You mention here , people who have visited purgatory and have returned to tell about their experience. I think that is what you said. This seems more that a bit strange to me. Luke 16 tells of the rich man who’s soul went to the place of the dead. He then says that no one from there can cross over to us ( the living ) and so on. May I ask who DID come back to tell of their experiences there ? A thread a few weeks ago said that the R.C. Church does not speak of time spent in purgatory in terms of days or years as time is not measured that way in eternity. I am paraphrasing but you get the idea. I read in the last few minutes someone referring to 40 years in purgatory. How can that be? Just wondering.NLM
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obvoiusly, with God, we are faced with many mysteries…

but i read a book called Purgatory by Fr. Shouppe and he speaks of people visiting their loved ones, esp nuns visiting the convnets they used to live in… and bein wrapped in flames (probably spiritual kind of flames??? but the book didn’t say that)… they tell of great suffering & ask that Masses be celebrated on their behalf to get t hem out of There sooner…

It is a long, arduous task to become pure enough for Heaven…

think of what gold has to go through to be purified… and other kinds of metals… hot fire…

it is far far better to do our purgation HERE on Earth…
 
distracted said:
good… then maybe you should make a trip around the US and straighten out some of our priests… :eek::mad:

I would support such a thing… 🙂
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Straightening out some of the politicians along the way would be good too! 😃
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
I believe Jesus is God. I’m fully catechized but have renounced a few definitive Catholic traits. What will I miss?

I mean no war with you by the way. Just love…
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I suppose that depends on whatever “traits” (doctrines? moral teachings?) that you have renounced. To the extent you set aside parts of the truth, you leave yourself open to being lead further from the truth and into error, and the further you fall into error, the more you leave yourself open to sin. And the more you leave yourself open to sin, the greater the risk that you will lose it all by losing the grace of salvation. So, I suppose it’s not a question of what you will “miss” as much as it is a question of how much you “risk” by rejecting the fullness of what has been revealed and provided for your salvation.

Ask yourself (for example, because I don’t know exactly what you’ve renounced) if Jesus is making Himself real and present in the Eucharist, and I’ve turned away from it, what am I risking? Or, if Jesus provided a way to obtain forgiveness of mortal sin by the sacrament of confession and I’ve turned away from it, what am I risking? Of if Jesus provided a way of preparing and strengthening my sould for the end of life by the sacrament of the annointing of the sick and I’ve rejected it, what do I risk?

Peace,
Robert
 
The last thing I heard was that the Catholic church officially doesn’t know whos going to heaven or hell as no one knows thier last moment of death. Was I mistaken, or has the idea changed?🤷
 
According to the RCC, only Roman Catholics get into heaven.

“…Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Boniface VIII Unim Sanctum November 18, 1302

For a different opinion, see Acts 16:30-31 or John 6:28-29

take care,
Jon
 
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