do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

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According to the RCC, only Roman Catholics get into heaven.

“…Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Boniface VIII Unim Sanctum November 18, 1302

For a different opinion, see Acts 16:30-31 or John 6:28-29

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Jon
Yup - if you find yourself in heaven you will have gone through the door of the Catholic Church. How God does this in each and every case is unknown to us, but He does it, as all in heaven are part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
 
Yup - if you find yourself in heaven you will have gone through the door of the Catholic Church. How God does this in each and every case is unknown to us, but He does it, as all in heaven are part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Who to trust, Pope Boniface VIII (sitting in St. Peters chair), or some guy on the internet who calls himself buffalo?

Tough decision, really.
 
Who to trust, Pope Boniface VIII (sitting in St. Peters chair), or some guy on the internet who calls himself buffalo?

Tough decision, really.
Unam Sanctam

(Latin the One Holy, i.e. Church), the Bull on papal supremacy issued 18 November, 1302, by Boniface VIII during the dispute with Philip the Fair, King of France. It is named from its opening words (see BONIFACE VIII). The Bull was promulgated in connection with the Roman Council of October, 1302, at which it had probably been discussed. it is not impossible that Boniface VIII himself revised the Bull; still it also appears that Aegidius Colonna, Archibishop of Bourges, who had come to the council at Rome notwithstanding the royal prohibition, influenced the text. The original of the Bull is no longer in existence; the oldest text is to be found in the registers of Boniface VIII in the Vatican archives “Reg. Vatic.”, L, fol. 387]. It was also incorporated in the “Corpus juris canonici” (“Extravag. Comm.”, I, vii, 1; ed. Friedberg, II, 1245). Thegenuineness of the Bull is absolutely established by the entry of it in the official registers of the papal Briefs, and its incorporation in the canon law. The objections to its genuineness raised by such scholars as Damberger, Mury, and Verlaque are fully removed by this external testimony. At a later date Mury withdrew his opinion.

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Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam sanctam (1302): “We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins, the Spouse in the Canticle proclaiming: ‘One is my dove, my perfect one. One is she of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her’ (Canticle of Canticles 6:8); which represents the one mystical body whose head is Christ, of Christ indeed, as God. And in this, ‘one Lord, one faith, one baptism’ (Ephesians 4:5). Certainly Noah had one ark at the time of the flood, prefiguring one Church which perfect to one cubit having one ruler and guide, namely Noe, outside of which we read all living things were destroyed… We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
 
Straightening out some of the politicians along the way would be good too! 😃
yeah… don’t know which group is most difficult to convert… re-convert

if a person who has been to seminary 8 yrs and knows (should know) the RCC faith inside/out… & still doesn’t “get it”… after many yrs as a priest…:confused:

kinda hopeless, isn’t it??? 😦

hmmmm… :hmmm::coffeeread:
 
buffalo, what exactly is your point?
seems the main point is t hat there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s not to say that non-Cathoics can’t be saved… They are Catholic insofar as they believe as Catholics believe (such things as: Jesus died for my sins [but that doesn’t give me a license to sin], we are saved by grace, we must do what Jesus tells us to do, etc)…

and so they are part of the Church, albeit imperfectly… VERY imperfectly, if you ask me…

The Catholic Church has “things” to help us get to Heaven… the rosary, the Mass, the Real Presence…

non-C’s don’t have that…
 
Yup - if you find yourself in heaven you will have gone through the door of the Catholic Church. How God does this in each and every case is unknown to us, but He does it, as all in heaven are part of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
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seems the main point is t hat there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s not to say that non-Cathoics can’t be saved… They are Catholic insofar as they believe as Catholics believe (such things as: Jesus died for my sins [but that doesn’t give me a license to sin], we are saved by grace, we must do what Jesus tells us to do, etc)…

and so they are part of the Church, albeit imperfectly… VERY imperfectly, if you ask me…

The Catholic Church has “things” to help us get to Heaven… the rosary, the Mass, the Real Presence…

non-C’s don’t have that…
This statement: “**absolutely necessary **for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff”
 
seems the main point is t hat there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s not to say that non-Cathoics can’t be saved… They are Catholic insofar as they believe as Catholics believe (such things as: Jesus died for my sins [but that doesn’t give me a license to sin], we are saved by grace, we must do what Jesus tells us to do, etc)…

and so they are part of the Church, albeit imperfectly… VERY imperfectly, if you ask me…

The Catholic Church has “things” to help us get to Heaven… the rosary, the Mass, the Real Presence…

non-C’s don’t have that…
This certainly is NOT a teaching of Jesus or any of the teachers of the NT.

Your above statement that “there is no slavation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s to say that non-Catholics can’t be saved”

Is kinda like saying man that rain is really come down right now but boy its sure dry out there…
They contradict eachother.

I will never submit to Rome and her edicts but yet I believe in Jesus the almighty and I wait in hope for his return not by site or miracle but by faith. That is damnable?
 
This certainly is NOT a teaching of Jesus or any of the teachers of the NT.

Your above statement that “there is no slavation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s to say that non-Catholics can’t be saved”

Is kinda like saying man that rain is really come down right now but boy its sure dry out there…
They contradict eachother.

I will never submit to Rome and her edicts but yet I believe in Jesus the almighty and I wait in hope for his return not by site or miracle but by faith. That is damnable?
If a person believes in Jesus he will submit to His Church
 
This statement: “**absolutely necessary **for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff”
statements like these were declared at a time when if you weren’t a Catholic, you were not a Christian. (in other words, pre-reformation)

what it means is that it’s necessary for everyone to be Christ’s one Church for salvation. Since the Pope holds the Church together in unity, this statement emphasizes the importance of both the Papacy and the Church…and shows how they’re linked.

VII said that non Catholics may be saved through invinsible ignorance. We leave them to God’s mercy… this doesn’t go against what you quoted, because it is still true that graces for salvation come through the Church, the Papacy is still true, and so is the idea that the Church is one.

furthermore, non Catholic Christians ARE united to the Church through baptism, but…very imperfectly. They can be saved through that link.

what i’m saying is that you’re taking this quote out of its context
 
statements like these were declared at a time when if you weren’t a Catholic, you were not a Christian. (in other words, pre-reformation)

what it means is that it’s necessary for everyone to be Christ’s one Church for salvation. Since the Pope holds the Church together in unity, this statement emphasizes the importance of both the Papacy and the Church…and shows how they’re linked.

VII said that non Catholics may be saved through invinsible ignorance. We leave them to God’s mercy… this doesn’t go against what you quoted, because it is still true that graces for salvation come through the Church, the Papacy is still true, and so is the idea that the Church is one.

what i’m saying is that you’re taking this quote out of its context
just wonderin if you have been Catholic very long?

i may be getting you mixed up with another poster but thought you were non-Catholic some time ago…
 
seems the main point is t hat there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s not to say that non-Cathoics can’t be saved… They are Catholic insofar as they believe as Catholics believe (such things as: Jesus died for my sins [but that doesn’t give me a license to sin], we are saved by grace, we must do what Jesus tells us to do, etc)…

and so they are part of the Church, albeit imperfectly… VERY imperfectly, if you ask me…

The Catholic Church has “things” to help us get to Heaven… the rosary, the Mass, the Real Presence…

non-C’s don’t have that…
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This certainly is NOT a teaching of Jesus or any of the teachers of the NT.

Your above statement that “there is no slavation outside the Roman Catholic Church but that’s to say that non-Catholics can’t be saved”

Is kinda like saying man that rain is really come down right now but boy its sure dry out there…
They contradict eachother.

I will never submit to Rome and her edicts but yet I believe in Jesus the almighty and I wait in hope for his return not by site or miracle but by faith. That is damnable?
the statements don’t contradict each other, because non Catholic Christians are still imperfectly united to the Church, and if they’ll be saved, it would still be through this link. So…yes salvation is only in the Catholic Church, but there are various ways of being “Catholic”, some involve full communion, others are imperfect…

and it is according to Christ’s teaching, remember how He told Saul that he was persecuting Him cause he persecuted the Church? the Church is Christ’s Body…if someone rejects the Church knowingly, they reject His Body.
just wonderin if you have been Catholic very long?

i may be getting you mixed up with another poster but thought you were non-Catholic some time ago…
I became Catholic this Easter 🙂 but I never posted in this forum as a non Catholic.
 
Do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??
Nope.

Think: Thief on the Cross and the non-Jews and other “non-believers” to whom Jesus said:

"Your faith has saved you."
 
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and it is according to Christ’s teaching, remember how He told Saul that he was persecuting Him cause he persecuted the Church? the Church is Christ’s Body…if someone rejects the Church knowingly, they reject His Body.

:clapping::tiphat::clapping:

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I became Catholic this Easter
 
Nope.

Think: Thief on the Cross and the non-Jews and other “non-believers” to whom Jesus said:

"Your faith has saved you."
What???

how much more Catholic can you be than to be in the Presence of Jesus Christ…

in the FLESH???

(now we have his Presence in the Church… [St Mt 28:20… etc])
 
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and it is according to Christ’s teaching, remember how He told Saul that he was persecuting Him cause he persecuted the Church? the Church is Christ’s Body…if someone rejects the Church knowingly, they reject His Body.
:clapping::tiphat::clapping:

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:extrahappy::clapping:

Would that be Ishtar or Eoustre? No Church started by Jesus Christ himself would have feast names named after enemies of God.
 
and it is according to Christ’s teaching, remember how He told Saul that he was persecuting Him [Jesus] cause he persecuted the Church? the Church is Christ’s Body…if someone rejects the Church knowingly, they reject His Body.

and if you reject Christ… :eek:
 
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