do you have to be Catholic to get into Heaven??

[ronin67]

Christian brothers and sisters,

I was e-mailed a video, which was too awesome to keep to myself.

Steve Harvey is a comedian

There is nothing funny about this video, it is a true blessing to see someone from the entertainment world step up to the plate and do what Steve harvey did

At the close of one of his shows, Steve took a risk and made a stand for Jesus Christ and gave an awesome presentation on how he would introduce Jesus to his audience.

I am sure you will remember this video for a lifetime…

God bless Steve Harvey

I opened this thread to present the video

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5815606&postcount=1

I pray God blesses all of you as much as I was blessed

mpjw2

Thank you for sharing the link to this great video. Isn’t it a little too Baptist for a Catholic forum? Again, we who accept Christ Jesus as our Lord and savior will receive the grace of our Heavenly Father, regardless of denomination. The truth of scripture speaks for itself.

May God Bless us all in our quest for Christian unity.

Ronin

 

[PRmerger]

Again, we who accept Christ Jesus as our Lord and savior will receive the grace of our Heavenly Father, regardless of denomination. The truth of scripture speaks for itself.

Again, the CC teaches that all who are baptized receive God’s sanctifying grace, regardless of denomination.

 

[tweetymom]

Again, the CC teaches that all who are baptized receive God’s sanctifying grace, regardless of denomination.

Great and amen

 

[2nd_Adam]

Great and amen

The ECT Statement taken from Christianity Today, December 8, 1997, pp. 35-77

EVANGELICALS AND CATHOLICS TOGETHER: THE GIFT OF SALVATION

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. (John 3:16-17)

We give thanks to God that in recent years many Evangelicals and Catholics, ourselves among them, have been able to express a common faith in Christ and so to acknowledge one another as brothers and sisters in Christ. We confess together one God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; we confess Jesus Christ the Incarnate Son of God; we affirm the binding authority of Holy Scripture, God’s inspired Word; and we acknowledge the Apostles’ and Nicene creeds as faithful witnesses to that Word.

seekgod.ca/ect2.htm

click link above:

 

[Carlan]

The Church seems to be saying: in a matter of life and death all you need is to embrace Jesus but if you live a long life you have to accept everything the Church teaches in order to be saved.

True, True, Ron, I believe that from a very personal experience point of view. Carlan

 

[ron77nyc]

True, True, Ron, I believe that from a very personal experience point of view. Carlan

This is how it was in the beginning (the beginning of the Church)

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.”
Have popes and the magisterium replaced the law of Moses with their own law?

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Can we apply this to non-Catholics?

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
These 3 traditions or disciplines or whatever you want to call them are no longer spoken of but new ones are emphasized with mortal sin attached to them if they are neglected.

 

[Carlan]

This is how it was in the beginning (the beginning of the Church)

Acts 15:5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.”
Have popes and the magisterium replaced the law of Moses with their own law?

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Can we apply this to non-Catholics?

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
These 3 traditions or disciplines or whatever you want to call them are no longer spoken of but new ones are emphasized with mortal sin attached to them if they are neglected.

Ron,
The new law of the New Covenant is Jesus Christ. It is all about what Jesus says.

That is what the Popes and the Magisterium teach along with the 10 commandments God gave to Moses. Jesus tells us we must continue to follow the commandments of God.

If we break them in a very serious way the sin for doing so is called mortal and if we do not repent of them before we die , we go to you know where Carlan

That goes for all of us, whether we are Christians separated from the full truth or not.

I add, in the end only God will judge the intentions of your heart. Thank you Lord!

 

[PRmerger]

Have popes and the magisterium replaced the law of Moses with their own law?

They have “replaced” the law of Moses with the laws of Christ. Ya know, the old “He who hears you hears me” thing we Catholics who defend Christ and His Magisterium repeat, sometimes ad nauseum.

Can we apply this to non-Catholics?

Yup. And to non-non-Catholics, too! (That is, to us Catholics! )

These 3 traditions or disciplines or whatever you want to call them are no longer spoken of but new ones are emphasized with mortal sin attached to them if they are neglected.

Well, I’m not sure why you think “sexual immorality” is no longer spoken of–just check out the Moral Theology section of the CAF to see the vociferous and heated dialogues on this issue! In fact, the primary ssue over which Catholics disagree with Church teaching is not theological, but moral. Sexual morality in particular. People want to do what they want to do, and they want to be given permission by the Church to do it.

But, going back to your point above, ron. Yes, we no longer dissuade anyone from eating the meat and blood of strangled animals–so if that floats your boat, knock yourself out, ron and feast on meat to your heart’s delight!

 

[ron77nyc]

Well, I’m not sure why you think “sexual immorality” is no longer spoken of–just check out the Moral Theology section of the CAF to see the vociferous and heated dialogues on this issue! In fact, the primary ssue over which Catholics disagree with Church teaching is not theological, but moral. Sexual morality in particular. People want to do what they want to do, and they want to be given permission by the Church to do it.

But, going back to your point above, ron. Yes, we no longer dissuade anyone from eating the meat and blood of strangled animals–so if that floats your boat, knock yourself out, ron and feast on meat to your heart’s delight!

Personally I like my steaks well done.
No reason to tell people to abstain from eating meat sacrificed to idols. I don’t think it’s a problem today unless you have parshioners who come from families that practice Santaria, but Iiving together doesn’t seem to be the problem that it used to be. No one gets upset about it and no one ever preaches about it among Catholic or Protestants.

 

[PRmerger]

but Iiving together doesn’t seem to be the problem that it used to be. No one gets upset about it and no one ever preaches about it among Catholic or Protestants.

It is indeed a huge problem. Just check out the divorce statistics! :crying:

I remember hearing about a wonderful priest who used to counsel engaged couples who were living together before marriage, “One thing you know for sure about your fiance(e) is that s/he is willing to engage in sexual activity outside of marriage.” That does not bode well for the marriage.

And statistics have clearly borne this out. :sad_yes: Couples who live together before marriage and more likely to divorce.

 

[AChris]

Hey folks!

This is REAL simple. Vatican II, (article 9): Salvation is available through all Christian and non-Christian faiths.

That is also the message from Mary from her approved and pending messages (ex: Boise). God loves all religions.

Worrying about others salvation, unless you are evangelizing might be time better spent in prayer…

God Bless!

Vatican II does seem to imply that…but other councils and infallible documents deny this.
Did Mary really say: “God loves all religions”?
It is Christian to worry about others’ salvation.

 

[ron77nyc]

Vatican II does seem to imply that…but other councils and infallible documents deny this.

Other coucils definitely exclude non-Catholics from salvation.

 

[PRmerger]

Other coucils definitely exclude non-Catholics from salvation.

ALL the councils affirm the same thing: outside the CC there is no salvation.

Does this exclude non-Catholics from salvation? Nope. It just means that if they achieve salvation it is through Jesus Christ and His Church.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

 

[ron77nyc]

ALL the councils affirm the same thing: outside the CC there is no salvation.

Does this exclude non-Catholics from salvation? Nope. It just means that if they achieve salvation it is through Jesus Christ and His Church.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

If you heard Popes Boniface or Eugene say the following you would not come away from it thinking "Maybe there’s hope for my Protestant, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim friends."

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

 

[distracted]

OkI do not fear the future because i know what the prophets and Jesus Himself said is to come. “fear not!”. I know the ending. I do not need apparartions of mary, not nostrodomus nor mayan calanders. I have the book of revelation of Jesus Christ as told to John.

I do not fear the word apostate. Or heresy. For the Holy Spirit will guide me.

Fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom…

If you go against something HIS Chruch teaches. . you are NOT doing well… are not on that narrow pathway to Heaven

 

[Janet1983]

Fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom…

The fear of God and anxiety are 2 different things…
In German there are even 2 different words for these:
Ehrfurcht - fear of God (or of someone who is due respect) or better: reverence
Furch, Angst: fear, anxiety
I am not scared of the word “apostate” nor look I into the future with anxiety… This kind of fear is not of God.
I do however fear God in the sense of reverence, adoration and love…
I did also have every right to fear God in the former sense before I was a child of His…

 

[Janet1983]

If you heard Popes Boniface or Eugene say the following you would not come away from it thinking "Maybe there’s hope for my Protestant, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim friends."

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

They didn’t accept that from me (and told me I went to anti-Catholic pages) last time I put these works out… I should wonder if they tell you you’re right in your assessment of RC teaching back then…

 

[distracted]

Well the issue is that most Protestants to not believe in the real presence.
I for my part don’t do it anymore… I therefore can and will not and never again bow down to the so-called eucharist, that you deem to be God.
I therefore cannot follow your argument of a one flesh union. Jesus Christ is my life and that is far more personal than eating your eucharist.
My soul depends on Him and my life is directed towards Him. No symbol, sacrament or ritual can bring me closer to Him than the renewing of my mind through my Lord and Saviour.

then how come it brought me closer??

i didn’t even know Jesus (intimately) until i came back to the RCC

how can you say you love someone you don’t know?? I’m sorry if this truth sounds harsh (many truths do) but you don’t know Jesus intimately until you know him by spending much time with Him in His Real Presence in his (one and only) Church. That is the only place that has His Presence. If you hvae never been There, you don’t know JEsus well…

 

[PRmerger]

If you heard Popes Boniface or Eugene say the following you would not come away from it thinking "Maybe there’s hope for my Protestant, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim friends."

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

Again, as when you posted this the first time I say, Catholics respond Amen! to these pronouncements.

There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. There is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ…from His Head…and from His Body.

Perhaps, when you read those statements YOU conclude that Jews, Hindus, Muslims cannot achieve eternal life, but I certainly don’t conclude that.

**Again, did you know, ron, that the CC gives HONOR to non-baptized Jews–we give them their own FEAST day–December 28!! Each and every year. **

The CC teaches that there’s no hope for Jews, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, Baptists, Mormons?? Pshaw!!

 

[PRmerger]

**Again, did you know, ron, that the CC gives HONOR to non-baptized Jews–we give them their own FEAST day–December 28!! Each and every year. **

The CC teaches that there’s no hope for Jews, Hindus, Muslims, atheists, Baptists, Mormons?? Pshaw!!

I just did a bit of research and found another interesting tidbit of info:

The CC has been giving honor to these NON-BAPTIZED JEWS, the Holy Innocents, since the 5th century.

So, presumably Pope Eugene celebrated a Mass or two on Dec 28 in his lifetime, commemorating these JEWISH infants who were in heaven? JEWS in heaven! Celebrated at a Mass, no less! How 'bout that??