Do you like or dislike Father Corapi?

[mom4truth]

Roy,
Thank you for expressing your opinion. You are not Catholic are you? I’ll agree to disagree.

Blessings,

 

[neat62]

Red, You seem to looking for a debate with me. I am actually a big fan of Bishop Sheen. I wasn’t a Catholic at the time nor did we ever watch him growing up so I have no idea what his advertising style was like. I have recently been introduced to him through repeats on EWTN. My husband and I both like him. He is nothing like Fr. Corapi. Totally different approaches.

As far as judging Fr. Corapi, if you go back and read my posts, I give reasons and proof. Have you read through this whole thread? Did you see the pictures of him with the bear? Did you click on the link in this thread on his “wake up America”? Don’t get caught up with the anamchara calumny that seems to happening in here.

Fr. Corpai is a priest and he is also a man. This does not mean he is above us nor does it mean we can’t give our opinion about him. I’ve seen plenty of people on here rake Fr. Greeley over the coals and say some pretty bad stuff about him. I guess it’s ok to do that to him, eh?

I think people are very aware of their sin. Some do not know how to change it though and that’s why we need to approach in kindness and understanding. I am a big believer in the old “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar” approach. I don’t like fundamentalism. I think it is the wrong approach. As I’ve said several times on here,** it’s just my opinion.

**You don’t have to agree with me.

Yes…many people say things about Fr. Greeley and why?? Because he does not speak the Truth, as does Fr. Corapi. Fr. Greeley promotes what we KNOW to be incorrect teachings of the Church…and to know he is incorrect, one simply has to study the Cathechism!

I love how your “opinion” is supposed to be more valid than the rest of ours though…

You have called others out within this thread for not “being” charitible when in fact, all we have done is stand up for HIS TRUTH! We defend the faith, ALL OF IT…without picking and choosing what we like and don’t…because that is what we are CALLED to do! It doesn’t make us harsh or nasty to want our fellow friends and neighbors to also follow the Truth…in fact, if anything it proves that we truly LOVE them and want for them what we hope to achieve ourselves one day…admittance to Heaven through the Grace and Mercy of our Heavenly Father!

And we all know there is only ONE way to gain His Grace and Mercy…and that is to FOLLOW what He has demanded of us…ALL of it!

Father Corapi is a voice that many don’t like to hear, simply because he speaks God’s Truth and he does so without remorse, without regret and without worry of “offending” others…it is NOT his style that most don’t like…it is, in fact, simply HIS TRUTH that he promotes!

Having faith is NOT easy…and in today’s world of “all about me” attitudes…people don’t like to hear the Truth, its a lot easier to pick and choose and follow what makes you “feel” good then it is to actually have to learn, know and live the True faith!

 

[Shoshana]

Yes…many people say things about Fr. Greeley and why?? Because he does not speak the Truth, as does Fr. Corapi. Fr. Greeley promotes what we KNOW to be incorrect teachings of the Church…and to know he is incorrect, one simply has to study the Cathechism!

I love how your “opinion” is supposed to be more valid than the rest of ours though…

You have called others out within this thread for not “being” charitible when in fact, all we have done is stand up for HIS TRUTH! We defend the faith, ALL OF IT…without picking and choosing what we like and don’t…because that is what we are CALLED to do! It doesn’t make us harsh or nasty to want our fellow friends and neighbors to also follow the Truth…in fact, if anything it proves that we truly LOVE them and want for them what we hope to achieve ourselves one day…admittance to Heaven through the Grace and Mercy of our Heavenly Father!

And we all know there is only ONE way to gain His Grace and Mercy…and that is to FOLLOW what He has demanded of us…ALL of it!

Father Corapi is a voice that many don’t like to hear, simply because he speaks God’s Truth and he does so without remorse, without regret and without worry of “offending” others…it is NOT his style that most don’t like…it is, in fact, simply HIS TRUTH that he promotes!

Having faith is NOT easy…and in today’s world of “all about me” attitudes…people don’t like to hear the Truth, its a lot easier to pick and choose and follow what makes you “feel” good then it is to actually have to learn, know and live the True faith!

:clapping: Could not have said it better. God bless you…

 

[mom4truth]

neat62:

AMEN! to that. Sounds like there are many “cafeteria Catholics” out there. Not naming anyone. But many of us are. That’s a total NO-NO!! Then why claim you’re Catholic? Doesn’t make sense to me nor to any truly devout, obedient to the Magisterium Catholic…:tsktsk:

 

[anamchara]

Yes…many people say things about Fr. Greeley and why?? Because he does not speak the Truth, as does Fr. Corapi. Fr. Greeley promotes what we KNOW to be incorrect teachings of the Church…and to know he is incorrect, one simply has to study the Cathechism!

 

[anamchara]

neat62:

AMEN! to that. Sounds like there are many “cafeteria Catholics” out there. Not naming anyone. But many of us are. That’s a total NO-NO!! Then why claim you’re Catholic? Doesn’t make sense to me nor to any truly devout, obedient to the Magisterium Catholic…:tsktsk:

Yes, there is. Go read in the tradtional forum. They seem to pick and choose which Pope as the full truth and which one doesn’t. Goes both ways Mom!

 

[aimee]

 

[anamchara]

anamchara;3706077:

Fr. Greeley is said not to be loyal to the magistirum …but I’m not surpised since he is from that Chicago area…where some are seen as rebelious

Being rebelious is not necessarily make one not loyal to the magistirum. Fr. Greeley has not been excommunicated nor has he been told he can’t teach the faith so obviously the Church feels he has value. It’s one thing to have strong opinions about how you feel things should be but when it comes down to it, if you are obedient to the faith and your priestly vocation then I don’t see the problem. I’ve met priests who feel the marriage rule should change but you’d never hear them say that in public and especially not durning the homily. They still remain obedient to thier duty as a pries,t in other words, they will not force thier personal opinion onto the faithful because they know it is wrong.

Now Fr. Greeley does make his opinions public but I haven’t ran across anything that is so far out there that I feel he needs to pack it up and join the radical “Call to Action” group.

What he writes about the faith is profound and well worth reading. I wouldn’t put up blocks so quickly with him.

 

[mom4truth]

anamchara:

I haven’t seen the traditional forum, yet. But, people should not pick and choose who they “like”. As regards to our popes: I think there have been some not-so-great ones in the past. Probably around the Reformation and earlier. I’m not up to speed on timelines. Anyway, until a pope is proven unfaithful to Church doctrine/dogma, then I wouldn’t say people are capable of picking and choosing whichi pope they like either. Our popes are only infallible in matters of faith and morals.

 

[Shoshana]

Please go and find exactly where Fr. Greeley teaches is wrong and prove your point as I was asked to do with Fr. Corapi.

 

[Shoshana]

Father Greeley, though not sympathetic to the celibacy-causes-pedophilia argument, nonetheless has done much to profile the problem of sexual abuse. For Greeley, it is the structure of the Catholic Church that gives rise to the problem. Closed in secrecy, Greeley charges that the Catholic Church is similar to the Mafia, except that the Mafia does not tolerate deviancy the way the Church does. There is hardly a media outlet that Greeley hasn’t used to vent his deep-seated anger at the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, which explains why he receives a receptive audience from those not otherwise disposed to treating Catholicism fairly.

catholicleague.org/research/pedophiles_and_priests.htm

 

[chewchoo]

ana:

just wondering if you missed my question in post 457?
i am interested you get your reply

 

[Shoshana]

The Novel as Religious Education
Presenter: Father Andrew Greeley
Father Greeley, noted sociologist, novelist and columnist, began his lecture by dispelling the idea that storytelling is a nice anecdote but not necessary for religious education. He states: “…storytelling is religious education. And what is now called religious education is at best intelligent reflection on a story, and at worst a distortion of it.” Father Greeley comments about how religious education has the potential to reduce the value of stories because it moralizes, allegorizes, and perverts them “because they are too shocking to be taken at face value.” He cites the example of Jesus the judge not passing a verdict on the adulterous Mary Magdalene. The apparent condoning of adultery is so scandalous that the line, “Go and sin no more” is added for the happy ending. Greeley discusses how these perversions can take the full meaning away from the story and the message it was meant to convey.
stthomas.edu/jpc/Proceedings1_11.htm

 

[Shoshana]

Without a doubt, it is the work of Father Andrew M. Greeley,
through his celebration of the concept of “communal Catholicism,”
**that can best conceptualize and advocate the existing dissent and
potential rebellion in today’s Church.10 By a communal
Catholicism, Greeley means a highly selective and individualistic
Catholic expression that picks and chooses pieces of Catholic
doctrine to either accept, reject, ignore or indiscriminately
synthesize with secular/Protestant ideas. **At a practical level, a
communal Catholic translates into “anything but an ecclesiastical
Catholic.”
ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/FR89203.TXT

 

[AlegreFe]

Father Corapi does not want to be spit out of God’s mouth for any of us. He does not want to go to hell for you (general) or me so what does he do? He tells the TRUTH as he knows Him. And we all know what Father Corapi says about the Truth. The Truth is not something. The Truth is somebody and His name is Jesus Christ.

I will not back down about how I feel about Father Corapi or my Cahtholic Faith. I do not want to be spit out of God’s mouth for anyone either.

My prayers are with Father Corapi especially now with his illness. I place Father Corapi in the Immaculate Heart of Mary because that is what he would do for us and he has done that for all of us who watch and listen to him.

 

[Nordar]

Father Corapi does not want to be spit out of God’s mouth for any of us. He does not want to go to hell for you (general) or me so what does he do? He tells the TRUTH as he knows Him. And we all know what Father Corapi says about the Truth. The Truth is not something. The Truth is somebody and His name is Jesus Christ.

I will not back down about how I feel about Father Corapi or my Cahtholic Faith. I do not want to be spit out of God’s mouth for anyone either.

My prayers are with Father Corapi especially now with his illness. I place Father Corapi in the Immaculate Heart of Mary because that is what he would do for us and he has done that for all of us who watch and listen to him.

 

[anamchara]

quote=chewchoo;3700960]if words get interpretted wrong, then that means the original intent wasn’t accurately conveyed and we’re going to get a poorly built product.

No, I disagree. It does not always mean the original intent wasn’t accurately conveyed.

You still did not show me where I said I didn’t like him because he blew money up his nose. You highlighted these words for me.

                          T**he Holy Spirit does not limit influence with only the likes of Fr. Corapi. St. Paul and John the Baptist were dealing with serious persecution my friend and are the fathers of our faith. There is hardly a camparsion. Fr. Corapi is hardly persecuted. He made a great deal of money, blew it up his nose, found Jesus and now makes money again, hopefully this money goes to a greater** good. His self advertising I find distastful but that's just my opinion, you don't have to like it. Is he genuine? Sure. I think he has a passion for Christ and for the faith and it's heartfelt.

This statement in no way could possibly be interpreted as I don’t like him because he did this. You also need to connect with the WHOLE content Chew. I was addressing a different poster and trying to make a point. Read that posters then mine. And also read ALL my posts about Fr. Corapi. You are pulling something completely out of context here. The other thing that gets me is if you think I brought that up to discredit him, they why did I laud his work for what he has done in the paragraph?? How could anyone have read those words and think I was saying I didn’t like him because hew as coke head? Especially since I have given several examples as to why I don’t like. As I said :banghead: I judge what comes out of his mouth TODAY.

okay you didn’t say you didn’t trust him because he was a drug addict. what were you trying to convey by adding that factual bit of information about him? everybody knows his conversion story. what was the point of adding it?

Ok, I see where is the problem. I have not only explained this but several times. In post 436 and 438 as an example, I make it very clear.

Post 436
mom4. You do not have to be afraid to quote me and call me on my words.** I was trying to point out that he is a man and makes mistakes. He is no different than any of us. He is not Jesus, although the way many talk about him you would think he is. I don’t like comparing him with St. Paul or John the Baptist and I said why I felt this way

Post 438 this one was to you
**I make my decisions about Fr. Corapi based on what comes out of his mouth today. He is a human, like the rest of Chew. Not better or worse. That was my point. He is not St. Paul. My opinion only, we don’t have to agree.

He doesn’t walk on water and is not perfect that was my point.

and i didn’t say that i beat myself up about sin.

You are referring to post 455 where I write:

We can be aware of our sin yes. But it shouldn’t be your ongoing daily focus. We should also be focusing on the hope of forgiveness through our Lord and rejoicing in this. Your day shouldn’t be about beating yourself up because you are such a horrible person drowning in sin and the outside world is so evil that we must shut ourselves out from everything that remotely seems evil. That is narrow thinking and I’m not saying that is where you are coming from but I see that a lot in this thread. Fr. Corapi creates a “battle” which is adversarial toward the world we live in. This can create quick harsh and unfounded judgmental reactions to everything and anything we consider outside our faith. I’ve seen too many scary comments in here and on forums like this about public schools being anti-Christian etc…it’s rubbish. It all smells too much like anti-intellectualism.

My dear, read the purple. I wasn’t saying you necessarily.

as for judgementalness of everything outside of out faith… we should be living a faith centered life and everything that we come in contact with should be evaluated based on the faith. we cannot live outside of the faith. this is where the truth comes into play. the 2000 year old truth of jesus and his church. the church has fought heresy after heresy in the 2000 years of its existence because of people who dream up things outside of the truth.

I don’t have a problem with this. I wasn’t implying that shouldn’t be focused on our faith in our daily life. But what I see too often in here is harsh judgment and finding the devil in places like the public school. That is where I take issue with. I gave an example of this in my last post.

 

[anamchara]

Without a doubt, it is the work of Father Andrew M. Greeley,
through his celebration of the concept of “communal Catholicism,”
**that can best conceptualize and advocate the existing dissent and
potential rebellion in today’s Church.10 By a communal
Catholicism, Greeley means a highly selective and individualistic
Catholic expression that picks and chooses pieces of Catholic
doctrine to either accept, reject, ignore or indiscriminately
synthesize with secular/Protestant ideas. **At a practical level, a
communal Catholic translates into “anything but an ecclesiastical
Catholic.”
ewtn.com/library/CHRIST/FR89203.TXT

Ok, I don’t trust EWTN. They are highly conservative. I have taken a look at your other posts. Thank you for going through the trouble.

 

[Shoshana]

Ok, I don’t trust EWTN. They are highly conservative. I have taken a look at your other posts. Thank you for going through the trouble.

This statement tells me a lot in our conversation.

 

[anamchara]

Father Greeley, though not sympathetic to the celibacy-causes-pedophilia argument, nonetheless has done much to profile the problem of sexual abuse. For Greeley, it is the structure of the Catholic Church that gives rise to the problem. Closed in secrecy, Greeley charges that the Catholic Church is similar to the Mafia, except that the Mafia does not tolerate deviancy the way the Church does. There is hardly a media outlet that Greeley hasn’t used to vent his deep-seated anger at the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, which explains why he receives a receptive audience from those not otherwise disposed to treating Catholicism fairly.

catholicleague.org/research/pedophiles_and_priests.htm

Fr. Greeley tells it like it is. No different from Fr. Corapi, the difference is he isn’t telling like it is with what you want to hear. He can get mad at the Church Shoshanna, there is nothing wrong with that. I don’t know what Catholicleague and I don’t have time right now to figure it out. I need to make dinner

Our beloved faith/Church is not above having sinners in charge…the sexual scandal was handled horribly.