Do you like or dislike Father Corapi?

[AlegreFe]

anamchara…it seems the folks who like him and his style think he does walk on water.

Nope, wrong!

He speaks the truth because he is priest who has been there, done that and has the vesments to prove it. In all of the posts…in the folks who like him…bottom line…use the arguement that he a priest and therefore speaks the truth.

Nope, wrong again!

The harsher, the better.

Wrong

Some people like the fire and brimstone style. You don’t, I don’t. It is much easier to have someone think for you…than to think for yourself or to question anything, especially if it from a member of the clergy.

Couldn’t be more wrong! Oh my goodness, now we can’t think for ourselves?

It is difficult to grow spiritually if the hammer comes down on what is “wrong” with us, our world, society…et al.

For you maybe.

But folks at the end of the day…Fr. Corapi is man, is a man…is human…just like the rest of us.

:doh2: Really?!

We have the right to ask a question. We have a right not to scared into faith or the letter of the law prevails over everything we think, say or do.

We certainly do have a right to ask a question. But who says that Father Corapi scares us into having faith? Does he scare you into faith? I think not. I can clearly see that Father Corapi is not your style. So don’t watch him.

It is way beyond our humaness to re-embark to the days of sack cloth and ashes.

Who says? Can’t you do penance? I’m sure there are people out there that do lots of penance, still even to this day. We are asked to do penance and it’s all over the bible. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow and always.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

ana:

What exactly do you mean when you say that you don’t like EWT and that it is too conservative?

And how can anything in the faith be too orthodox?

 

[Shoshana]

And how can anything in the faith be too orthodox?

Orthodox to some people equates to conservative. A bit of a discrepancy.

 

[Shoshana]

Well this is mildly pathetic really. You quote someone else’s jaundiced opinion of Greeley. And this is the only mention of him in the entire piece! It wasn’t even about Fr. Greeley at all. And the icing on the cake? Read between the vitriol against him and you see that Greeley is right! As if the abuses weren’t bad enough, the Church heirarchy leveraged the inherant secrecy to keep the lid on.

While he may have been impolitic in comparing the bishops to the Mafia, Keating was not, as the Irish would say, **all that far from wrong.**
[beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12862_1.html](http://www.beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12862_1.html)
 
'Nuff said.
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[Shoshana]

Well this is mildly pathetic really. You quote someone else’s jaundiced opinion of Greeley. And this is the only mention of him in the entire piece! It wasn’t even about Fr. Greeley at all. And the icing on the cake? Read between the vitriol against him and you see that Greeley is right! As if the abuses weren’t bad enough, the Church heirarchy leveraged the inherant secrecy to keep the lid on.

While he may have been impolitic in comparing the bishops to the Mafia, Keating was not, as the Irish would say, **all that far from wrong. **
beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12862_1.html

Quote from Greeley. 'Nuff said.

 

[Shoshana]

(This post was posted in another thread by mistake…it belongs here but it would have been the second to the last post from me. please forgive me any confusion0

Here are SOME quotes that are questionable. In the first quote, George Weigle would disagree with him wholeheartedly. Fr Greeley, in his perception of some things, is very questionable.

He rarely engaged in serious consultation with the bishops of the world and listened only to the laity that he knew agreed with him. This, one had to assume, was the way he thought the papacy ought to govern the church.
beliefnet.com/story/161/story_16157_2.html

This is such an untrue statement. JP2 actually gave the Bishops MORE time than his predecessor.

Gibson’s imagination is certainly Catholic, though perhaps with a certain masochistic twist.
beliefnet.com/story/180/story_18094_2.html

He should stop using the term masochistic…breaking the Passion down to a psychological pathology. As JP2 said when he saw the movie; It is as it was…(paraphrase). And there was no doubt that Jesus suffered much and Gibson made us all realize the extent of His injuries.

For most of the first millennium of Christian history, the Church spread a veil of modest discretion over the physical suffering of Jesus. It respected the privacy of his final hours and celebrated the empty crucifix as a symbol of the Resurrection of Jesus (an event which is noted only weakly and vaguely in Mr. Gibson’s conclusion). The Greek churches, even to this day, resist sensationalist presentations of the suffering of Jesus

The reason the cross was not used as a symbol was not to respect the final hours of Jesus as it was a sign of shame for all Jews. The first Christians never used the cross because they were also being persecuted and used the fish symbol instead. I would like a quote from the early Church Fathers saying that they did not put the corpus on the cross out of respect for Jesus…

Do those who die after a prolonged battle with cancer die any less horribly than Jesus?

Yes. Jesus died for US so that the doors of Heaven may be opened to those who love Him. He did not die for Himself. The cancer patient dies his/her own death The cancer death, while it can make up for what is lacking in the Body, does not take away sin.

What does his death say to all of us who must die? One will watch “The Passion of the Christ” in vain for any hint of an answer to that question.

Jesus’ death, as horrible as it was and because I believe, tells me that in 3 days the temple of His body will be resurrected. Mine will also. The sole reason for the Passion was to show His love for us.

The lesson of Good Friday, properly understood, is that God suffers with us.

God suffered FOR us and with us.

We do those things which we know we shouldn’t do because we are afraid of death.
beliefnet.com/story/141/story_14134_1.html

This is certainly flawed. We do things that we do not want to do because of SIN…and sin leads to death.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Even I—and look at my siggy line—have heard of Father Greely. And I’ve heard he was unorthodox.

 

[redrosetea]

If trying to understand the difference in ones attitude when it so clearly is in opposition to something they admire in another ,such as a tag line makes me passive aggressive I guess ,I must be…I just thought I was trying to figure out where someone was coming from, Fr Corapi has never taught one thing contrary to faith and morals? ??

I will leave the thread so my rubbish won’t pollute anyone else

 

[Strummer]

While he may have been impolitic in comparing the bishops to the Mafia, Keating was not, as the Irish would say, **all that far from wrong. **
beliefnet.com/story/128/story_12862_1.html

Quote from Greeley. 'Nuff said.

Actually, no, that is not “'nuff said”. Intellectual honesty would require putting the statement into context which, in this case, could be satisfied by including the very next sentence: “Many of the bishops are still determined to hide as much as they can of the criminal behavior of some of their priests.” I have to agree with Fr. Greeley in that the scandals were made many times worse by the corruption of the bishops who scrambled to cover-up the heinous acts of the abusers.

 

[Strummer]

If trying to understand the difference in ones attitude when it so clearly is in opposition to something they admire in another ,such as a tag line makes me passive aggressive I guess ,I must be…

But that is not what you did. Rather you used the tagline not as as it applied to the subject at hand–Fr. Corapi and his style of preaching–but as a cudgel against the character of a fellow poster. But that was just an example of base behavior. The passive-aggressiveness come from all your “protestations” claiming you’re not attacking anyone when clearly you are.

I will leave the thread so my rubbish won’t pollute anyone else

Really? That is unfortunate. Your impassioned responses make for lively reading. Surely you can take ownership of your words and realize the reaction you might get from some quarters. I realize it can be difficult to be challenged, be it spiritually by the likes of Fr. Corapi or intellectually as often happens on this board, but we generally come out the better for it in the end.

 

[mom4truth]

redrosetea and alegrefe:

I back you both 100% For some of the other posters, I think they’re hiding from the Truth so they can do, say, believe what THEY want to, not what the Church teaches. Amen. So be it.

 

[mom4truth]

By the way, some of you can intellectualize all you want about the Church’s teachings, the Magisterium, Fr. Corapi is a man is a man is a man, etc., but it doesn’t change a single fact! Namely, Fr. Corapi teaches the absolute - something that some of you, obviously, are not comprehending.

 

[Nordar]

redrosetea and alegrefe:

I back you both 100% For some of the other posters, I think they’re hiding from the Truth so they can do, say, believe what THEY want to, not what the Church teaches. Amen. So be it.

What she said:thumbsup:

 

[Nordar]

By the way, some of you can intellectualize all you want about the Church’s teachings, the Magisterium, Fr. Corapi is a man is a man is a man, etc., but it doesn’t change a single fact! Namely, Fr. Corapi teaches the absolute - something that some of you, obviously, are not comprehending.

Agreed again The intellectualizing just sounds so pompous, (and boring I might add)

 

[AlegreFe]

For some of the other posters, I think they’re hiding from the Truth so they can do, say, believe what THEY want to, not what the Church teaches. Amen. So be it.

Amen!

 

[Shoshana]

This is a commentary on the film “The Passion of the Christ”. Did you actually read this article? The whole thing? I don’t see what your problem with it could be. But if you just took the snippet you excerpted, one might take issue with “One may wonder what kind of God would demand such a price from his beloved son. Is this the same kind of implacably forgiving God whom Jesus preached in his life?” But it would be intellectually dishonest to harp on that when later in the piece Greeley makes clear what one would/should conclude from the suffering of our Lord.

Here are SOME quotes that are questionable. In the first quote, George Weigle would disagree with him wholeheartedly. Fr Greeley, in his perception of some things, is very questionable.

He rarely engaged in serious consultation with the bishops of the world and listened only to the laity that he knew agreed with him. This, one had to assume, was the way he thought the papacy ought to govern the church.
beliefnet.com/story/161/story_16157_2.html

This is such an untrue statement. JP2 actually gave the Bishops MORE time than his predecessor.

Gibson’s imagination is certainly Catholic, though perhaps with a certain masochistic twist.
beliefnet.com/story/180/story_18094_2.html

He should stop using the term masochistic…breaking the Passion down to a psychological pathology. As JP2 said when he saw the movie; It is as it was…(paraphrase). And there was no doubt that Jesus suffered much and Gibson made us all realize the extent of His injuries.

For most of the first millennium of Christian history, the Church spread a veil of modest discretion over the physical suffering of Jesus. It respected the privacy of his final hours and celebrated the empty crucifix as a symbol of the Resurrection of Jesus (an event which is noted only weakly and vaguely in Mr. Gibson’s conclusion). The Greek churches, even to this day, resist sensationalist presentations of the suffering of Jesus

The reason the cross was not used as a symbol was not to respect the final hours of Jesus as it was a sign of shame for all Jews. The first Christians never used the cross because they were also being persecuted and used the fish symbol instead. I would like a quote from the early Church Fathers saying that they did not put the corpus on the cross out of respect for Jesus…

Do those who die after a prolonged battle with cancer die any less horribly than Jesus?

Yes. Jesus died for US so that the doors of Heaven may be opened to those who love Him. He did not die for Himself. The cancer patient dies his/her own death The cancer death, while it can make up for what is lacking in the Body, does not take away sin.

What does his death say to all of us who must die? One will watch “The Passion of the Christ” in vain for any hint of an answer to that question.

Jesus’ death, as horrible as it was and because I believe, tells me that in 3 days the temple of His body will be resurrected. Mine will also. The sole reason for the Passion was to show His love for us.

The lesson of Good Friday, properly understood, is that God suffers with us.

God suffered FOR us and with us.

We do those things which we know we shouldn’t do because we are afraid of death.
beliefnet.com/story/141/story_14134_1.html

This is certainly flawed. We do things that we do not want to do because of SIN…and sin leads to death.
Here you’ve lifted the description of a 20+ year old lecture series from the Center for Jewish-Christian Learning. He appears to be discussing religious education at the meta-level–that is he is talking about how to convey a lesson and not talking about the lesson itself. Don’t you think that little bit context greatly informs your highlighted portions?
And again we have someone other than the poster going on about their gripes with a straw man version of Fr. Greeley.

The task that was set before you was to find “where Fr. Greeley teaches is wrong”. Rather than finding what Greeley teaches, you’ve dug up what others teach about Greeley. But enough of this sidetrack, Fr. Corapi is the topic here, not Fr. Greeley.

 

[Shoshana]

Actually, no, that is not “'nuff said”. Intellectual honesty would require putting the statement into context which, in this case, could be satisfied by including the very next sentence: “Many of the bishops are still determined to hide as much as they can of the criminal behavior of some of their priests.” I have to agree with Fr. Greeley in that the scandals were made many times worse by the corruption of the bishops who scrambled to cover-up the heinous acts of the abusers.

The rest of the text is not my point. My point was what you said;

Well this is mildly pathetic really. You quote someone else’s jaundiced opinion of Greeley. And this is the only mention of him in the entire piece! It wasn’t even about Fr. Greeley at all. And the icing on the cake? Read between the vitriol against him and you see that Greeley is right! As if the abuses weren’t bad enough, the Church heirarchy leveraged the inherant secrecy to keep the lid on.

And I responded by by a quote from Reverend Greely:

While he may have been impolitic in comparing the bishops to the Mafia, Keating was not, as the Irish would say, **all that far from wrong. **

The sad part of all of this, intellectual honestly is lacking for sure in these posts. Fr Greeley likes to spin his wheels and he should stick to novels! And him calling the Church the Mafia is intellectually dishonest…and disgusting. But he spins his words so that they sound good.

He is a priest and he gives us the Eucharist and I thank God for that. As for anything else…I will read intellectuals like John Paul 2, Benedict,16 St John of the Cross, St Igantius, Fr Benedict Groeschel…and the list goes. I wish people would realize the depth of our spirituality in the catholic church.

And Fr Andrew is not tip toeing in my tulips! My salvation is much too important to me that I would even glance at his stuff!

We love the orthodoxy of Fr Corapi, Groeschel and so many more good holy priests.

 

[Nordar]

The rest of the text is not my point. My point was what you said;

Well this is mildly pathetic really. You quote someone else’s jaundiced opinion of Greeley. And this is the only mention of him in the entire piece! It wasn’t even about Fr. Greeley at all. And the icing on the cake? Read between the vitriol against him and you see that Greeley is right! As if the abuses weren’t bad enough, the Church heirarchy leveraged the inherant secrecy to keep the lid on.

And I responded by by a quote from Reverend Greely:

While he may have been impolitic in comparing the bishops to the Mafia, Keating was not, as the Irish would say, **all that far from wrong. **

The sad part of all of this, intellectual honestly is lacking for sure in these posts. Fr Greeley likes to spin his wheels and he should stick to novels! And him calling the Church the Mafia is intellectually dishonest…and disgusting. But he spins his words so that they sound good.

He is a priest and he gives us the Eucharist and I thank God for that. As for anything else…I will read intellectuals like John Paul 2, Benedict,16 St John of the Cross, St Igantius, Fr Benedict Groeschel…and the list goes. I wish people would realize the depth of our spirituality in the catholic church.

And Fr Andrew is not tip toeing in my tulips! My salvation is much too important to me that I would even glance at his stuff!

We love the orthodoxy of Fr Corapi, Groeschel and so many more good holy priests.

 

[Shoshana]

A message from Fr Corapi! :extrahappy:
fathercorapi.com/May-22-2008Email.html

Greetings and God’s Blessings,
As we celebrate Memorial Day, remembering those who served the cause of freedom, let’s not forget what one of the strongest factors was in enabling our military men and women to serve with valor and distinction–Faith. This is often overlooked, but shouldn’t be. In the Catholic church in my hometown of Hudson, NY, St. Mary’s, there is a chapel dedicated to Our Lady of Victory. On the wall of that chapel are small brass plaques with the names of everyone from the area who served during World War II. The small name plaques cover most of a pretty good size wall. Many of them have a star next to the name, indicating they were killed in action. The entire country was much more religious in those days, and had the virtue necessary to overcome great adversity–whether the war or the rigors of the Great Depression.
Today, do we really believe that most of us would be able to make those kinds of sacrifices? Without faith it is highly unlikely. “For man it is impossible, but for God all things are possible.” Many of us felt a lot better about our country before we lost our rational and moral mind and declared that killing the most innocent and helpless human beings was legal and moral. It is a matter of history that nations and societies that have been responsible for monumental human rights violations such as genocide and ethnic cleansing fall by the wayside relatively quickly and disappear, covered by the sands of time.
So long as the insanity of abortion on demand exists in this nation, we should be painfully aware that a dark cloud of destruction hovers over our country, and what goes around comes around. The voices of millions of aborted children cry out from the endless realm of their resting place: “How long, O Lord, how long?”
God bless you,
Fr. John Corapi

 

[mom4truth]

Now this is man and a PRIEST who knows what he is talking about - Jesus Christ!