Do you support Israel or Palestine?

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Deuteronomy

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
 
Aliens should be treated like the native-born… And what happens to native-born people pretty much anywhere when they start shooting off military rockets at civilians?
 
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JanSobieskiIII said:
Deuteronomy

When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
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When Israel followed God, then God was on their side. but Israel is now mostly a secular nation. Jesus came after, he talked about mercy, forgiveness and to love your neighbour.
 
Annie said:
Aliens should be treated like the native-born… And what happens to native-born people pretty much anywhere when they start shooting off military rockets at civilians?
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A question you might ask the native American Indians, and all other countries colonised by rich and powerful nations.
 
He didn’t say let your neighbor rain rockets down on civilians and do nothing about it either though did he
 
Yeah those poor natives. Definitely should have let them continue their human sacrifices instead of civilizing them.
 
I support the right of Israel to exist, but I do not support some of their punitive military actions on the Palestinian general population, (I also don’t support Palestinian violence against innocents nor do I approve of the hostility toward Jews in general in many parts of the world). In essence, both sides need to see each others as neighbors and not enemies. Both the Jewish and Arab populations have lived there for a long time and both should be allowed to live in peace. Let past wars be put in the past. Stop the cycles of violence.
 
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then God was on their side
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your saying God broke his promise to abram?
Genesis 13
14 After Lot had departed, the Lord said to Abram, “Look from the place where you stand to the north, south, east, and west. 15 I will give all the land that you see to you and your descendants forever.
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What does ‘support Israel’ or ‘support Palestine’ even mean? If you believe the state of Israel has a right to exist in safety, security and peace, I assume that translates to ‘support Israel’?
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Yeah those poor natives. Definitely should have let them continue their human sacrifices instead of civilizing them.
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Millions of native American Indians died at the hands of European invaders. Millions of African slaves were exploited in America. Who is going to civilize these new Americans?
 
Eric_Hyom said:
To be morally just, the kill count on both sides should be zero.
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Well unfortunately it’s not, and it’s a grave fallacy to judge the morality of any particular side by their kill count IMO.

Thank you for reading.
 
Whether we like it or not at the end of the day it’s all about military power. Whoever has it controls the land.
We can debate to death about legitimacy and history but in reality it doesn’t matter much except to provide some plausible explanation for the people.
No one on this earth can claim to be inhabitants from the beginning of humans. No amount of justifications will go against the ultimate determinant — military power.
Now of course it is still important to dress it up as a cause for political leverage and gains and mobilise the people to increase military power that way but the sad reality is whoever has might wins, not whoever has rights, logic, morals or treaties.

Sorry a bit pessimistic but would be glad to hear anyone’s opinion on this to see whether I’ve missed something in my reasoning.
 
You’ve basically made the same argument I’ve been making, which some people don’t want to hear. Ideally everything would have a peaceful solution.

In reality, there is no peace until one side in an armed conflict has been utterly defeated integrated into the new dominant society. If 2 opposing cultures/ideologies are existing in close proximity and have a history of bad blood, violence will continue to resurface. Reality isn’t pretty.
 
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JanSobieskiIII:
Yeah those poor natives. Definitely should have let them continue their human sacrifices instead of civilizing them.
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Millions of native American Indians died at the hands of European invaders. Millions of African slaves were exploited in America. Who is going to civilize these new Americans?
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Even today American native Indians and Africans still suffer injustice in poverty.

Poverty by Race/Ethnicity

Areas with a high incidence of poverty often reflect the low income of their racial/ethnic minorities. Nonmetro blacks and African Americans had the highest incidence of poverty in 2016 (33.0 percent), while nonmetro American Indians and Alaskan natives had the second highest rate (31.8 percent). The poverty rate for nonmetro whites in 2016 was less than half as much (14.6 percent) of both groups.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rur...-poverty-well-being/poverty-demographics.aspx
 
And this is somehow related to the debate in what way exactly?
 
People are surprised they have more casualties when they take brainwashed and ill equipped idiots against a professional army?

I see many fall well into the camp of brainwashed by the media. Many people who I’ve had to scrape of the sidewalk have been Palestinian Christians and children butchered by their own side or used as human shields by the PA.

Do spare me your ‘two state solution’, it’s merely a precursor for yet more Jewish suppression.

Muslims always profess ‘peace’ in stage 1 Jihad. They are far beyond that point and if it wasn’t for treaties helping us maintain Iron Dome and David’s Sling, you wouldn’t even have a Holy Land to visit.
 
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JanSobieskiIII said:
In reality, there is no peace until one side in an armed conflict has been utterly defeated integrated into the new dominant society.
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That’s not true. Neither Protestants nor Catholics have been utterly defeated or integrated one into the other and yet today there is peace between the two groups.
 
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