Do you support Israel or Palestine?

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you are complaining about Arabs being oppressed in israel?
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First of all you asked me about the alternative to Israel. For that question it is possible read about the one state solution or the opinions of Rabbi Yisroel Weiss.
Secondly, I am not complaining about anything. I said that there are reports that Arabs cite 50 laws which discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel. For that you can read the Discriminatory Israeli law database published by Adalah and the report published by the US Department of state and the Bureau of Democracy, human rights and labor.

Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
 
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Their opinion is irrelevant. Israel is a country, it exists. It has the means to enforce its existence.
 
upant said:
i don’t think there are any neutral players.

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Since there are no neutral players to form a committee to set up the boundaries of a two state solution, why not go for the one state solution? You simply create one unitary Israeli-Palestinian state which includes the territory of Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights.
 
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which includes the territory of Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza strip and the Golan Heights.
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We already have that, it’s just called Israel.

The Israeli’s conquered that territory in a war of defense against Arab aggression, it is rightfully theirs.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
We already have that, it’s just called Israel.
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Yes, that is why this proposed approach is supported by so many people both inside and outside of Israel. All that is needed now is to give citizenship and equal rights in the combined region for everyone living in those territories and to tear down any walls, fences or barriers
within the expanded and combined territory.

time.com

Let’s Talk About a One-State Solution Where Israelis and Palestinians Are Equal

The two-state solution is dead. Donald Trump confirmed it. Now, let's start thinking about a single state where both live as equals
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www.nytimes.com

The One-State Solution (Published 1999)

Edward Said article argues that end of conflict between Zionism and Palestinian people can best be achieved through a binational Israeli-Palestinian state, with Palestinians and Israelis living as equal citizens under one flag; says Palestinian self-determination in a separate state is...
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What exactly is Palastine? Historically who were the Kings of Palastine?
 
Why should the Israeli’s capitulate to these people? Israel is an ethnic state for Jews. The Arabs can go to an Arab state such as Jordan, Lebanon, etc.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Their opinion is irrelevant. Israel is a country, it exists. It has the means to enforce its existence.
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Sadly, you are right
The disparity has widened dramatically over time. Since January 2005, when the conflict began to change dramatically, it has killed 4,006 people, of whom 168 have been Israeli and 3,838 Palestinian. That means that, since January 2005, only four percent of those killed have been Israeli, and 96 percent Palestinian. Since January 2005, in other words, the conflict has killed 23 Palestinians for every one Israeli it claims.

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This chart shows every person killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict since 2000

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...
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You’d think that would be an incentive for the Palestinian’s to quit fighting, they clearly aren’t doing very well.
 
Britain, along with it’s allies, defeated the Ottoman Empire in WWI and as part of the treaties following was awarded land from it’s conquered enemy. That is not theft.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Why should the Israeli’s capitulate to these people?
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Because the Palestinians are human beings with immortal souls and deserve equal rights and citizenship instead of cruel subjugation and poverty.
 
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They should probably stop antagonizing the Israeli government then and giving them reason to enact punitive measures. They can have the equal rights and citizenship, when they start acting like citizens worthy of those rights instead of a hostile force within the Israeli borders.
 
it’s honestly Britan and the other colonial nations’ fault at the end of WW1…
 
Yeah lumping various people into arbitrary borders wasn’t a good idea, but they couldn’t afford to fund empires anymore sadly.

Ideally they could have been kept as colonies and ruled by western powers and guided Islam into a more tolerable ideology, while building up their economic capacity.

Probably should have set up some kind caliphate since the colony idea was untenable.
 
And, placing the Jews in the middle east on their old homeland, while poetic in a historic sense, was a terrible idea because of Muslim ideas towards Jews…
 
So just give the Holy Land to the Muslims because they hate Jews and have guns, bombs and missels?
 
I know its easy for me to say, but maybe find a place in the world that hates Jews less? (IMO, anywhere but the Middle East…)
 
Theodor Herzl actually didn’t mind if Jews were allowed to live anywhere other than Israel, like Argentina. I believe
 
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