Do you support Israel or Palestine?

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goodcatholic said:
America seems to be supporting Israel.

I’m not informed enough to choose either side anyway. Complex history.
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Then may I suggest getting informed and to do so with unbiased sources.

America has given untold millions if not billions of dollars in aid to the Palestinian Authority.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
Israel was created out of British territory, it was Britain’s to do with as they pleased. .
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All land belongs to God, we are all temporary custodians.

Leviticus 19
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
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Ezekiel 47
21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.

Leviticus 24
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.
 
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Why would they? They either bought or conquered them.

The reason Israel has a claim to the land is because they were able to enforce their claim to it when it challenged.
 
Well then I can only encourage you to recognize a lighthearted comment when one is presented and not take it as serious recommendation.
 
Surely you didn’t think I was seriously proposing reinstating the Kingdom of Jerusalem as a viable option?
 
This is a very complicated subject, of which my knowledge is cursory.

I support Israel and feel the people in Palestine are being used as a useful tool by those who oppose the existence of Israel.
 
Well. I read a book years ago on a debate b/w the two sides over who had what rights, etc., etc…

Both sides made good points.

I know the British, behind the UN, were pushing for Israel. Of course, America is Britian’s allie. bible Christians tout the verse that nations that curse Israel will be cursed, etc…

Again, I resort back to the New Israel as the Church and maybe not what some others believe is Israel.

As far as the Covenants with Abraham, Jacob etc… Wasn’t that more about possession and not title? And, weren’t there terms and conditions attached? Wasn’t all that fulfilled via Christ… Including the Covenant with Moses? Jesus is the law/prophets, etc…
 
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Further, I would add that genetically, Jews, in my belief, would be more kin to most Christians than Palestinians. From that angle, I can see support for Israel. Our laws are more in line with theirs as well (all though I am no expert on comparative law).

I add, that genetics has not much to do with the New Covenant as it did with the Old Covenants.
 
The modern nation state has nothing to do with the Biblical kingdom.

Israel has a right to exist and exert it’s will on the territory and people under it’s control and influence because Israel has beaten it’s enemies militarily and has the ability to enforce that control and influence.
 
Good points.

One thing I remember is that the build up of Jews in the region began about 50 years before (generally speaking) and was done so via real estate purchases from Palestinians.

The UN, of course, was the main impetus behind the current state.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
The modern nation state has nothing to do with the Biblical kingdom.

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I would disagree, all the land belongs to God, we are temporary custodians.

Leviticus 19
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
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Ezekiel 47
21 “You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign LORD.

Leviticus 24
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 22:21
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.
 
That sounds great in theological discussions but when it comes to pragmatic solutions within the realm of geopolitics it doesn’t really make a difference.

On top of that, the palestinian’s are exactly peaceful foreigners residing in a nation. They’re a hostile group who keeps killing Israeli’s, they don’t get afforded the same treatment.
 
Eric_Hyom said:
Rubbish, all land belongs to God, we are all temporary custodians.
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And the British were the legal custodians at the time, so they had the right to decide who to turn it over to.
Eric_Hyom said:
When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him
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What’s it say about when a people living in your land launch rockets at people’s homes, suicide bomb shopping centers, and stab people at places of worship?

Palestinian’s are a hostile threat living within Israel’s borders. They don’t get afforded the same niceties as peaceful foreigners. That this even needs to be said demonstrates the disconnect from reality the pali sympathizers live under.
 
I’m really uncomfortable with linking being against Israel with being anti-semitic, its a bit of a low blow
 
Al Akhbar is an Arab or Muslim website. Obvious from the name. Of course they will not be in favor.

People say Israel should not exist. Then what alternatives do you suggest? A lot of countries and governments have committed bad things, why should they exist?

It is like a woman who is pregnant and does not want it. Since abortion is not an option, it could be to bring him to term and have the baby be adopted. Lots of whining but no suggestions offered.
 
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People say Israel should not exist. Then what alternatives do you suggest?
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They call for a non-Zionist democratic country. Arab citizens cite 50 laws which discriminate against Arab citizens of Israel.
 
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Discriminate? Try being a non Muslim in Saudi or in some other Muslim country. And yet you are complaining about Arabs being oppressed in israel? Muslims are one of the most vindictive types, former Muslims say so.
 
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