Do you think anything will happen to Fr Jenkins or Notre Dame?

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Actually, I don’t think anything will happen to Fr Jenkins or to Notre Dame.
The bishops aren’t like the Apostles. They say to obey but when someone disobeys, they don’t appear to care. What would St Peter say about all of this?

Your comments…
 
The problem is that the bishops have very few tools in their toolboxes. As Joseph Bottum (whose First Things article I have just linked elsewhere) writes:
What the bishops should do now is not clear. They lack much of a weapon beyond the p(name removed by moderator)rick of a sharp letter and the atomic explosions of declaring that an institution is no longer Catholic and, I suppose, issuing an interdict that bans the sacraments on campus. The likelihood of interdiction at Notre Dame this spring is vanishingly small—but the bishops might remember that weapons remain valuable only if they get brandished every once in a while.
Personally, I like the idea of an interdict. It keeps the school officially Catholic while making it very clear that it’s in big trouble. However, even I, a radical, see that as an extreme measure, and the odds that Bishop D’Arcy will do it are–as the article says–vanishingly small. It would be nice to have some in-between power, like, say, the ability to remove Fr. Jenkins over it.
 
I don’t know what will happen. I hope it is not business as usual

I hope Fr Jenkins will repent for the sake of his soul, and the fact he is leading others into error
 
He has been in the news non stop for weeks. However it has not been such good press and I don’t know all the fallout, but there is always a ripple effect. Fr. Jenkins will have to answer to God about the scandal he has been involved in with leading his students astray. It is amazing because as parents we are always wondering how come out Catholic kids that go to Catholic schools could possibly not be involved in the church anymore. Yet we look at the example the ND president is giving and well, there is a correlation. The Catholic institutions do not always lean the way we think they should.

I know leading up to the commencement there were alumnus that were saying they were not pledging money anymore to their beloved ND. Perhaps there will be a ripple that way too! However, I heard a commentator today on a news show say that ND has been promised grants, etc. from the Obama administration. I don’t know if that is true but it was said on national TV.

What will happen to Fr. Jenkins? I don’t know really, but he has cooperated with the evil of abortion now. That can’t ever be good.
 
Scandal? Don’t think so. That would mean thoughts like this—

“Wow, Notre Dame invited the President to speal at commencement, that must mean that the Catholic Church thinks abortion is okay now.”

C’mon, people simply don’t think like that. What the invitation to the President means is that Notre Dame invites presidents to speak at their commencements. They’ve done it five or six times before. That’s all. Many, many people outside of the university community saw this as a way to further their cause. Well, it’s over. What will happen to Father Jenkins? Nothing.

John
 
The problem is that the bishops have very few tools in their toolboxes.
“There’s an apostolic constitution, Ex Corde Ecclesiae, which sets forth the requirements for a university to have the name Catholic. I think that Notre Dame has to either follow those norms or say ‘We’re not a Catholic university anymore.’”
Archbishop Raymond Burke
Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican’s highest court
Daddums 🙂
 
Scandal? Don’t think so. That would mean thoughts like this—

“Wow, Notre Dame invited the President to speal at commencement, that must mean that the Catholic Church thinks abortion is okay now.”

C’mon, people simply don’t think like that. What the invitation to the President means is that Notre Dame invites presidents to speak at their commencements. They’ve done it five or six times before. That’s all. Many, many people outside of the university community saw this as a way to further their cause. Well, it’s over. What will happen to Father Jenkins? Nothing.

John
I agree. I’m betting that within 30 days this will fade away and some other cause celebre will take it’s place. There seems to be a lot of hubris here. Notre Dame University is an expensive, elite, private university with a good deal of diversity in the faculty and administration as anyone who makes a reasonable inquiry will find out. Those in charge there are not ecclesiastical aparatchiks. Notre Dame is not the sanctum sanctorum of Catholicism. I find the suggestion that Father Jenkins has mortally sinned by inviting the president of the United States to speak at commencement extreme. If inviting a speaker who holds positions different from the Church is sin, then many have sinned,and most grievously, too. As far as I have been able to read, no one at Notre Dame is putting his or her imprimatur on Obama’s position on abortion. Finally, I note that the Vatican newspaper seems to have been rather positive about Obama speaking at Notre Dame.
 
Nothing is going to happen. ND is going to become just like Georgetown.

The best we can hope for is to set a good example. Support faithful Catholic colleges such as Catholic U, University of Dallas, and Thomas Aquinas College. If all faithful American Catholics support these schools, they will continue to grow and influence the laity further…
 
Scandal? Don’t think so. That would mean thoughts like this—

“Wow, Notre Dame invited the President to speal at commencement, that must mean that the Catholic Church thinks abortion is okay now.”

C’mon, people simply don’t think like that. What the invitation to the President means is that Notre Dame invites presidents to speak at their commencements. They’ve done it five or six times before. That’s all. Many, many people outside of the university community saw this as a way to further their cause. Well, it’s over. What will happen to Father Jenkins? Nothing.

John
John,

Your response is both alarming and comforting (how’s that for a Father Jenkins-like answer?). It’s alarming in that this president seems as though he’s actually got the Church and its teachings in his sites and that (according to most polls) a large majority of Catholics don’t seem to care.

It’s comforting because you’ve missed, or obscured (as have the media) what many Catholics are upset about. It’s not his being invited to speak. It’s his being awarded an honorary degree. That DOES show approval and there’s no way around it.

The polls have been asking Catholics whether they object to his “speaking” at the Commencement. I think if the question was phrased “Given the president’s position on partial birth abortion, federal funding for abortions worldwide and his stance on non parental notification for minors who obtain abortions, do you support Notre Dame’s decision to award him with an honorary degree?”, the poll results would be much different. That’s somewhat comforting.

What’s still disturbing is the silence of many local priests on this issue. My pastor once again said…nothing. Unless many/most Catholics find an outside source for information, they have no idea what’s going on with their Church. They’re left with NY Times “Catholicism”–and that’s a scandal.
 
Actually, I don’t think anything will happen to Fr Jenkins or to Notre Dame.
The bishops aren’t like the Apostles. They say to obey but when someone disobeys, they don’t appear to care. What would St Peter say about all of this?

Your comments…
I was at the ND Response rally. At least a couple of thousand showed up. I wish more Bishops would have shown up besides Bishop D’Arcy. As long as the Bishops don’t show a more united front against abortion nothing is going to happen at Notre Dame or elsewhere. They leave too much wiggle room for people to claim they are pro-life while actually supporting pro-abortion politicians. No wonder Father Jenkins thinks it’s o.k. to give Obama an honorary degree.
 
originally posted by Catholic 20064
I was at the ND Response rally. At least a couple of thousand showed up. I wish more Bishops would have shown up besides Bishop D’Arcy. As long as the Bishops don’t show a more united front against abortion nothing is going to happen at Notre Dame or elsewhere. They leave too much wiggle room for people to claim they are pro-life while actually supporting pro-abortion politicians. No wonder Father Jenkins thinks it’s o.k. to give Obama an honorary degree.
I wished that they would have set up buses from other areas like they do for the March as I would have been on one. I am so glad there were a couple of thousand protestors. We won’t see that in the news.

I think Pres. Obama just wants to put some catholics in their place and show us that he has the approval of many within the church and the conservative catholics are really insignificant.
 
I still continue to say all of this is just more signs that the Great Apostasy very well might have begun. Think it through, perhaps 10% of all Catholics actually work to follow the faith, most of the rest either reject entire teachings, or just do not care at all. That is true for the entire western world.
 
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I still continue to say all of this is just more signs that the Great Apostasy very well might have begun. Think it through, perhaps 10% of all Catholics actually work to follow the faith, most of the rest either reject entire teachings, or just do not care at all. That is true for the entire western world.
👍 I am right there with you on that statement. I do believe that the old proverbial “SCAT” is about to hit the fan. Good news is I still have enough reflex and eyesight to hit a moving target at reasonable distances.

As far as anything happening to Jenkins (note I do not consider him a father of anything except lies and discord) I can only pray that he has absolutely no rest or relaxation unless he repents for perpetuating the horror of abortion by this action he completed today.
 
Well, Fr. Jenkins and his associates still have time to go to confession and change their ways, otherwise, I’m pretty sure he’s securing his way to H…L because he’s directly co-operating in twisting the teaching of our Church. He has mocked the Body of Christ by giving “equality to women” by been a “fair-minded.” With our actions we choose heaven or the other way, God does not condemn us, people do not send anyone to hell.
I’m curious how I’d feel going to confess my sins to this priest -just curious.😉
It is not the president’s fault for all the commotion that is going on but the priest who ignoring the 2004 Bishops directions went and did what pleased him without thinking the consequences of his deeds.
FOR EVER, GOD IS FAITHFUL!
 
Actually, I don’t think anything will happen to Fr Jenkins or to Notre Dame.
The bishops aren’t like the Apostles. They say to obey but when someone disobeys, they don’t appear to care. What would St Peter say about all of this?

Your comments…
Sadly, I think you are right. Let us pray that I am wrong. St. Athanasius, pray for us.
 
The only way to get the bishops to act is for the public outcry against the man to be so great as to cause a split within the Catholic Church in America. This is not likely to happen as most pro-life Catholics would not relish being excommunicated from Rome. Yes, the persons that would be punished would be those who protested Fr. Jenkins and the bishops decisions not to respond, just as they didn’t respond with Terri Schiavo,

However, if Fr. Jenkins proclaimed tomorrow that he had accepted Jesus into His life as Lord and as Savior and had become a born-again, bible believing Christian, you can be sure they would act swiftly to remove him.

Moral of the story…if you are putting your trust in religious authorities of whatever stripe, you are going to be in for a rude awakening. Our trust must rest in Christ alone, not in fallible men.
 
I hope everyone here understands that the bishops have no authority over any university except The Catholic University of America and the Josephenum in Chicago, because these are the property of the Church. All other Catholic universities and colleges are run by boards of trustees or by religious congregations, not by the Church. Even the local bishop cannot place Notre Dame under an interdict, because it’s not part of his diocese. It is not a diocesan university. It is a private university that is Catholic. The Brothers of the Holy Cross are not a diocesan congregation. They do not submit to the bishop’s authority unless they work for him. In this case, they work for the Board of Trustees.

The most the bishops can do is to revoke its Catholic charter. But they cannot stop it from doing whatever the Board allows.

As to Fr. Jenkins, the bishops have no authority over him. He is a Holy Cross Brother. The Holy Cross Brothers are a congregation of Pontifical Right. Pontifical Right means exactly what it says. Only the pope has authority over its members.

Pope Benedict chooses to apply the principle of subsidiarity. That is, to allow the major superior to solve the problem. The only solution that the major superior has is to wait for the contract between the Holy Cross Brothers and the university to run out and not allow Fr. Jenkins to be rehired for the presidency, but propose another candidate.

The issue with that is that the Board can reject any candidate that the Holy Cross Brothers propose. They can choose to put a lay person at the head of the university. You never know what you’re going to get. The Holy Cross Brothers no longer own the university. They are employed by it.

We need to do our research when speaking about Catholic education and Catholic hospitals. Most are not owned by the Church or by religious. The Church never owned them. The religious who founded them could not afford to run them. They had to give them over to lay boards and turn them into non-profit corproations or NGOs to get funding from outside sources and government sources.

This is not an easy situation. Pope Benedict rarely intervenes directly in religious communities or secular institutes. Even in the case of the SSPX, he has turned that over to a Vatican Congregation. He prefers to deal with global issues and allow others to deal with specific problems. There is no way that any pope can deal with every specific situation that comes up, especially in a world as large as is today’s world.

The Bishops’ statement regarding honors to pro-abortion individual is not a law. However, it is a position of the Catholic Church in the USA that every Catholic organization should follow. Even when you do not owe the hierarchy obedience under a vow, you do owe them respect because of their position.

Orthodox religious do pay attention to and comply with these positions. In my own community, we have a different situation because our rule and constitution has it that we must obey the bishops. Not all religious constitutions have this clause. Many founders never thought such a clause was needed. They took it for granted that their spiritual sons and daughters would do so. It goes to prove that life doesn’t always go the way we assume it will go.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
QUOTE=OriginalJS;5213216] Finally, I note that the Vatican newspaper seems to have been rather positive about Obama speaking at Notre Dame.

OriginalJS

I would appreciate if you would provide a link to where you saw that the Vatican Newspaper seems to have been rather positive about Obama visiting Notre Dame.

Nothing very positive from Zenit.org

zenit.org/fulltext-0

Nothing in the weekly english editions of L’Osservatore Romano.

Nothing from the Press Office of the Holy See.

Thank you for your help.
 
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