Do you think fake news is used on CNN and msnlsd? to deceive and control?

[steve-b]

Where did I say “all republicans are for abortion”?

I answered you on that on post 183

you wrote

“The Republican Party, virtually every one of their candidates/elected persons, support abortion. They fully support aborting for the sins/crimes of the father, aborting because a baby will not be perfect, aborting because the mother has a physical or mental or emotional health concern. This is the reason I left the Republican party.”

I gave a link allowing one to look up every representative, by state, both house or senate. Do you think fake news is used on CNN and msnlsd? to deceive and control? - #183 by steve-b post 183.

I also gave this link back on post 175.
Bishop Thomas Tobin: Why I Switched to the Republican Party http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/bishop-thomas-tobin-why-i-switched-to-the-republican-party

that said,

when you said you left the Republican party over the abortion issue, I’m curious, what party did you go to?

TheLittleLady:

My research comes from primary sources, reading transcripts, reading both politicians and party platforms. For example:

Mr Santorum has stated publicly that he does support some abortions:

Rick Santorum: Exception for rape & incest ok, even though they take a life…

Source: PA 2006 Senate Debate, Tim Russert moderator , Sep 3, 2006

Yet
Santourum changed Rick Santorum 'would urge daughter not to have abortion even after rape' | Rick Santorum | The Guardian

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It’s interesting to watch how conservatives became so convinced about fake news, via Trump, a recent poll showed that 43% are willing to allow the president to shut down news sources which he deems as damaging. This would end democracy as we know it.

What’s interesting is that when these same news sources reported a negative about Bill Clinton or President Obama, those on the right accepted the story as gospel truth, while those on the left blamed corporate run media for the attacks on their presidents.

Then, a Republican President is elected and the msm is biased unfair etc. Of course it was through the msm that Bush/Cheney convinced many Americans that war in Afghanistan and Iraq was justified and necessary.

I never watch CNN, but I don’t watch Fox News which I believe is very misleading and studies even show that those who watch Fox News end up less informed than those who don’t watch any news network at all.

In all, you need to pray and keep your eyes open. Don’t stop thinking and allow God to guide you to what is true and important.

Mother Angelica gave the best advice when she was still on TV before he stroke, right after the attack on 9/11. She said and it still holds today, “don’t lose your soul over this.”

So I’ll say the same when it comes to following Donald Trump, don’t lose your soul over this.

Jim

 

[TheLittleLady]

“Virtually” and “Every” are not the same thing.

From your own link (bold mine): http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

The Hyde Amendment , passed on Sept. 30, 1976, bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother. Because restrictions include funds allocated by the Department of Health and Human Services, that can include Medicaid recipients.

You will notice that the big loopholes are in place.

The Republican Party Platform does not call for complete ban on abortions. Read every piece of legislation as it comes along, investigate the details of each party candidate yourself.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL%5B1%5D-ben_1468872234.pdf

"We call on Congress to ban sex-selection abortions and abortions based on disabilities — "

They also call for a ban on federal funds except with the Hyde Amendment exclusions.

Your article about a Republican Bishop, that is his choice.

What party did I join? American Solidarity Party.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

This is why I will prefer any leader with a moral compass over someone like Donald Trump.

And when it came down to November 2016, there was no other choice of person with a moral compass.

 

[steve-b]

“Virtually” and “Every” are not the same thing.

From your own link (bold mine): http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

The Hyde Amendment , passed on Sept. 30, 1976, bars the use of federal funds to pay for abortion except in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother. Because restrictions include funds allocated by the Department of Health and Human Services, that can include Medicaid recipients.

You will notice that the big loopholes are in place.

The Republican Party Platform does not call for complete ban on abortions. Read every piece of legislation as it comes along, investigate the details of each party candidate yourself.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf
"We call on Congress to ban sex-selection abortions and abortions based on disabilities — "

They also call for a ban on federal funds except with the Hyde Amendment exclusions.

Your article about a Republican Bishop, that is his choice.

What party did I join? American Solidarity Party.

This is what Trump has already done by executive order Trump's 'Mexico City Policy' or 'Global Gag Rule' | Human Rights Watch Trump really expanded the ban. Read the full article. It’s not written by a supporter. The writer probably hates Trump’s guts. Trump DOES what all the others just talk about.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Both were bad choices, but for myself, I merely had to look at how my state was voting to know I didn’t have to vote for either.

There is no way Donald Trump would win here and there was no way I would ever vote for Hillary, so I wrote in a Catholic Candidate’s name, but the state treats votes for unregistered candidates as “other.”

Jim

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Lowest Unemployment in History?
American Companies returning right?
New job creations, new businesses, smaller businesses hiring and expanding, right?
Nation infrastructure is being built?
Lowest people on food stamps in all walks in life in all areas?
Wages have gone up and bonuses given?

Rose’s post demonstrates the problems Democrats will have in the next election.

Trump’s statements–repeated by Rose–are just nonsense. But the question is, how to counter the constant lying and nonsense?

For example, all those American companies returning to the US. To show that Trump’s claims are nonsense, you would have to find out how many companies per year in the past re-patriated to the US, and, if possible, their reasons. Because if 30 companies a year from 1970-2016 re-patriated, and 30 a year came back in 2017, that’s meaningless–Trump didn’t do a thing. It’s just a case of past trends continuing. But if we found 100 companies coming back in 2017, and we found out that they came back because of this or that Trump policy or promise, that would be another matter. But this would require a lot of digging, and even if you did find out the “truth,” it would take so long to explain a rather complicated issue that no one would pay attention.

The other possible tactic is just to come out with bumper sticker slogans in the other direction: “Trump tax cuts only help the wealthy,” “Free college education for all,” etc. The problem with bumper sticker slogans–on either side–is that they are half-truths at best.

Now if you look at Trump’s issues objectively you’ll see that ALL of his issues arose (in a major way) in the 1970s or later. Immigration, trade, balance of payments, China, income inequality, etc.–yes, they all EXISTED before the 1970s, but it was only in the 1970s and later that they became major issues. When Trump talks about making America great again, he’s talking 1950s and 1960s. 50+ years ago. Those days are gone, never to return.

So Democrats COULD just ignore those issues–they are Trump’s agenda, not theirs, after all–and focus on the issues of 2018 and beyond. But again, that’s complicated and doesn’t suit itself to bumper stickers.

It’s a problem.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Still waiting for someone who took Economics 101 to reply to my post #138. Why is Navarro wrong in saying imports decrease GDP and using the formula GDP = C + I + G + X - M to “prove” it?

 

[steve-b]

It’s interesting to watch how conservatives became so convinced about fake news, via Trump, a recent poll showed that 43% are willing to allow the president to shut down news sources which he deems as damaging. This would end democracy as we know it.

What poll was that?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Nearly half of Republicans say Donald Trump should have power to shut down media

 

[Erikaspirit16]

What poll was that?

See my post #130 where I gave quotations about the press from Trump, Hitler, and Lenin. They are virtually impossible to tell part. “Sad,” as Our Great Leader would say.

 

[TheLittleLady]

You might want to read the things that are allowed under the “Mexico City Policy”, including that clinics may still be funded if they :

• Refer a woman to a legal clinic if the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest, or if the life of the mother would be in endangered if the fetus were carried to term. (This provision, however, does not include fetal abnormalities and the physical or mental health of the mother.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...even-mention-abortion/?utm_term=.7f38baee88b4

 

[pnewton]

e Don’t ignore this assignment .

I gave you an assignment. Let’s see your answer

No. I don’t listen to demanding, bossy people. Few people do which is why Trump cannot work with others very well. This so-called “assignment” is patently absurd. There is no such statistic, that is 500 days, as opposed to 600, two years as opposed to three or four, etc. Your very question demonstrates how statistics can be used as lies. I will answer only more generally.

Here is a general productivity chart

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[pnewton]

The other possible tactic is just to come out with bumper sticker slogans in the other direction: “Trump tax cuts only help the wealthy,” “Free college education for all,” etc. The problem with bumper sticker slogans–on either side–is that they are half-truths at best.

So true. It is all too human to try and bend statistics to fit a certain point of view. Then, from a limited statistic or fact, make a more grandiose, or a more catastrophic, statement. For all the criticism of “fake news” by the president, he is far guiltier of this sort of tactic than most of the media, though some of his critics, and some even in the mainstream, match him in this type of appeal to the ignorant to attack him.

I would hope that all who dislike this president will examine why and make sure it is not for the inane reasons pushed by his enemies. I hate that type of reporting, as it makes it easier to dismiss the legitimate problems with this man.

 

[BoyGenius]

You’re right…I had been given some mis-information. Just google’d and you are correct.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

As Xystus mentioned, the name “television” was coined by a Russian, I think c. 1900. The invention itself was British. So you’re right too…see wikipedia article on TV.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

An illustration of fake news—

Trump, Duluth, June 20, 2018: “The head of US Steel called me the other day, and he said, ‘We’re opening up six major facilities that have never been expanded.’ They haven’t been opened in many, many years.”

Trump at the White House, June 26: “US Steel just announced they’re expanding or building six new facilities.”

And so on. But let’s delve deeper, just for fun: The head of US Steel, Dave Burritt, was, in fact at a roundtable at the White House in March. In a May comment about re-opening plants, Trump seemed to reference that meeting. But on June 20, it turned into a phone call from Burritt. On June 26, Trump implied (“US Steel just announced…”) that it was a press release.

So there we have it. Trump claims US Steel is “expanding or building six new facilities.” And you have your choice of how he knows that: meeting, phone conversation, or press release.

I wonder what US Steel itself has to say? Let’s read on: They are restarting one blast furnace at their Granite City A plant. Industry analysts meanwhile say the Granite City A facility is hopelessly inefficient and should have closed 20 years ago.

So. Fake news alright. Yet another Trump lie / exaggeration / total misunderstanding / you name it.

 

[steve-b]

You might want to read the things that are allowed under the “Mexico City Policy”, including that clinics may still be funded if they :

• Refer a woman to a legal clinic if the pregnancy is a result of rape or incest, or if the life of the mother would be in endangered if the fetus were carried to term. (This provision, however, does not include fetal abnormalities and the physical or mental health of the mother.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...even-mention-abortion/?utm_term=.7f38baee88b4

Notice it’s women who insist on the right to abort their children. As someone who has been on the front line at 40 days for life, it’s women who were far and away the vocal adversaries to us. Trump still took vast amount of money away from the Mexico City Policy. A Democrat in office wouldn’t have done that.

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

What poll was that?

See my post #130 where I gave quotations about the press from Trump, Hitler, and Lenin. They are virtually impossible to tell part. “Sad,” as Our Great Leader would say.

For example, Ya mean like those who hate Fox news, and what they say about THAT network? The difference is, who is literally breaking windows in cars and businesses, setting cars on fire, instigate violent rallies, bashing and threatening their opponents, getting in their faces and threatening them and their children in restaurants, and other public settings? Yep it’s the left.

 

[steve-b]

An illustration of fake news—

Trump, Duluth, June 20, 2018: “The head of US Steel called me the other day, and he said, ‘We’re opening up six major facilities that have never been expanded.’ They haven’t been opened in many, many years.”

Trump at the White House, June 26: “US Steel just announced they’re expanding or building six new facilities.”

And so on. But let’s delve deeper, just for fun: The head of US Steel, Dave Burritt, was, in fact at a roundtable at the White House in March. In a May comment about re-opening plants, Trump seemed to reference that meeting. But on June 20, it turned into a phone call from Burritt. On June 26, Trump implied (“US Steel just announced…”) that it was a press release.

So there we have it. Trump claims US Steel is “expanding or building six new facilities.” And you have your choice of how he knows that: meeting, phone conversation, or press release.

I wonder what US Steel itself has to say? Let’s read on: They are restarting one blast furnace at their Granite City A plant. Industry analysts meanwhile say the Granite City A facility is hopelessly inefficient and should have closed 20 years ago.

So. Fake news alright. Yet another Trump lie / exaggeration / total misunderstanding / you name it.

Try business news 6/11/18 instead. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/us-steel-planning-to-add-more-than-800-jobs-this-year.html quite a different story.