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sallybutler
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Only if you believe that the government produces accurate stats. Wasn’t the accuracy debunked during the Obama years (including on CAF)?
Do you think fake news is used on CNN and msnlsd? to deceive and control?
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the wall as we speak , is already being built Presidential Election Process | USAGov (from: National Review). Just not as fast as wanted. In a few months we’ll see if/how that speed changes.steve-b:
Yep. Just look at the wall he built and made Mexico pay for it.
As for Mexico paying, there are many ways that can happen.
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Anti fascist aka antifa, is front page news today. Thing of it is,steve-b:
Interesting how many of the “facts” listed as not being true came from Republicans (Jack Kingston, Sarah Palin, Mike Rogers,Michele Bachmann, Jan Brewer). Perhaps they should stop having conservatives on. Then there would have only been one false statement in that list.
Fascists abhor free speech and freedom of assembly. And who is it that we see day after day in the news, protesting free speech and freedom of assembly of the right? Left wingers.
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Do you have references you can specifically post, concerning CAF? Without that reference properly referenced, your point can’t be automatically considered accurate.steve-b:
Only if you believe that the government produces accurate stats. Wasn’t the accuracy debunked during the Obama years (including on CAF)?
I posted that link to make the point that my previous post was stated correctly. If you are going to be that selective in who you listen to and believe, without references, then that’s your choice.
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Except that this case wasn’t usual. The changes Trump made were huge and quick. And the business industry at all levels responded as quickly.steve-b:
I know it was accurate, just like one could accurately say the decline in unemployment we have began the second year of the Obama administration and continued to decline while he was in office. Statistics can be a matter of which statistics are reported. Even truth and facts can be presented with a bias. That does not make them fake.
It is up to all to listen to the news with discernment. For example, when I read the above statistic, I looked at the bigger picture.
There is usually a lag between the time a candidate takes office and implements policy and when those policies affect the economy.
Obama’s “NEW NORMAL” Obama's Unemployment 'New Normal' Foretells A 'Lost Decade' would be proven wrong.
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Two quick points:
- take a look at Bureau of Labor Statistics monthly unemployment numbers 2008-2018
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data and you can see (look at the graph) that unemployment has continued to fall under Trump, but the RATE of decline has actually slowed, not increased. In other words, unemployment has been consistently falling since the financial crash of 2008, but Trump (if you’re blaming or crediting the president) has actually slowed the decline in the unemployment rate. - Unemployment statistics. I once spent an entire two-hour economics class analyzing how the unemployment statistics were calculated. It’s not–as some commenters think–that the government is “inaccurate” or somehow trying to spin the numbers. It’s that there are a series of choices you have to make to come up with the numbers.
What about people that drop out of the job market–do you count them as ‘unemployed’? If you do, how do you distinguish between the guy who wins the lottery or inherits a pot of money and doesn’t WANT to work and the guy who’s been looking for a job for two+ years and gives up? You can’t interview the whole population. How do you tell the difference?
What about part-time work? At what point to you say someone is fully employed? Do you count hours per week? If so, how many? Do you count three jobs at 20 + 20 + 10 hours per week as “full employment” even if the person gets no benefits at all?
What about people who have taken a job at McDonald’s to pay the rent, but who have a PhD in physics and are trying to get a job in that field? Fully employed or not?
Do you adjust for seasonal employment (UPS jobs at Christmas, farm jobs in summer and fall)?
What do you do with people who are not working right now, but will return to work–and they are guaranteed a job? (reserve soldiers called up for six months, women taking a 3-month maternity leave, people on disability temporarily because of illness…)
How do you actually gather the statistics? Random poll of the general population? Phone poll? Mail? Door to door survey? Random sample of companies? Do you sample the same companies each month or different ones? Do companies use the same definitions you do for “full time”?
You can go on and on and on. The point is that to create any set of statistics, you have to make a LOT of arbitrary choices of what to include and what to exclude. As long as you’re consistent over time–you don’t change the rules every year–you can compare.
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Theo520
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The tax cut makes us internationally competitive, VERY IMPORTANT and very republican.
The corp tax change is the real and significant benefit in the recent tax cut. I also like the elimination of several loopholes. I would have preferred the personal tax changes were closer to neutral though.
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ConstantLearner
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And that absolves Trump of responsibility? I don’t think so.
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TheLittleLady
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Absolves none of them.
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ConstantLearner
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So Trump is guilty of adultery, but you don’t know whether his first two marriages were valid, whether his first and second wives sought an annulment, or whether his friends and family approved, as you stated. You are spreading “fake news.”
Trump has done PLENTY wrong that CAN be verified. Like his lies on a daily basis.
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TheLittleLady
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I must have become SUPER terrible at analogies. 151 posts later I cannot even remember which post I was referencing above, trying to draw a parallel.
In my mind if we call out a lie in one instance, it would be logical to call out other lies.
In my mind if we call out a lie in one instance, it would be logical to call out other lies.
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Canvas
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Lets say he, even though he is not Catholic and did not seem concerned at all with religious observances before he ran for President—lets say he did get an annulment for his first two marriages. But he is still most likely an adulterer. Like a habitual one, who has probably had many extramarital affairs.
What do you think all this stuff about his former “lawyer”, Michael Cohen, is about with the payoffs to mistresses in 2016 and the secret tapes that Cohen made? We know of at least 2 women he probably had affairs with just in the early years of his marriage to Melania.
What do you think all this stuff about his former “lawyer”, Michael Cohen, is about with the payoffs to mistresses in 2016 and the secret tapes that Cohen made? We know of at least 2 women he probably had affairs with just in the early years of his marriage to Melania.
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ConstantLearner
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You said this about Trump’s adultery:
Actually, he did that along with his partner, with the support of his family and friends.
I can’t stand Trump, but I don’t think any of us knows whether Wife #1 or Wife #2 sought an annulment, or whether his friends and family approved of his adultery.
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ConstantLearner
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Since he’s not Catholic, I doubt he got an annulment. I have no idea if his former wives did.
I think Trump’s own words and actions show he’s a serial adulterer. I think he’s probably had many extramarital affairs.
I think Michael Cohen probably knows about all there is to know about Trump, and I think Cohen has made it plain he’s going to be looking out for himself now rather than his former “client.”
I think Trump could have a hundred wives and a million affairs, and 99.9% of his supporters would find a way to spin it and defend him. Incredible! Imagine if it were one of us!
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Canvas
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Trump said “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” at a rally when he was a candidate for the GOP nomination. The worst part is not that he said something so obnoxious, but there is a bit of truth in there about his strong supporters. They’ll say the guy shouldn’t have walked into a bullet that Trump had every right to shoot or something.
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TheLittleLady
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Okay, found it.
In post #55
They are mistaken, however, that is not the same as an “outright lie”.
The parallel I drew was a person who has had multiple divorces/marriages is not telling an “outright lie” when they refer to their current legal spouse as a “husband/wife”. They are simply speaking in the way they have been taught.
I never named President Trump, that was brought up by someone else later.
In post #55
My point was that the majority of people believe that life begins at implantation or some point after. They are not telling an “outright lie” when they simply reference what is common thought in the world.
They are mistaken, however, that is not the same as an “outright lie”.
The parallel I drew was a person who has had multiple divorces/marriages is not telling an “outright lie” when they refer to their current legal spouse as a “husband/wife”. They are simply speaking in the way they have been taught.
I never named President Trump, that was brought up by someone else later.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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My point still holds. If the press is reporting on science, they have the responsibility to get the facts right.
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ConstantLearner
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I agree with you completely. I thought it was ludicrous when he said it, but I was even more amazed when it seemed to be true!
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TheLittleLady
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Yet another line that was lifted from an episode of “The West Wing”.
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ConstantLearner
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Somehow we have gotten mixed up.
I never responded to that post of yours, or any post about abortion. I was responding to post 122.
It’s easy for us to get confused with so many posts in so short a time.
I never responded to that post of yours, or any post about abortion. I was responding to post 122.
It’s easy for us to get confused with so many posts in so short a time.
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