Do you think priests should be allowed to marry?

[dosdog]

Its BOTH.

A Priest a lot more powerful than a Nun.

A Pope near infinitely powerful than a Mother Superior.

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
General Decree On the delict of attempted sacred ordination of a woman

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in virtue of the special faculty granted to it by the Supreme Authority of the Church (cf. Can. 30, Code of Canon Law), in order to safeguard the nature and validity of the sacrament of Holy Orders, decreed, in the Ordinary Session of December 19, 2007:

In accordance with what is disposed by Can. 1378 of the Code of Canon Law, he who shall have attempted to confer holy orders on a woman, as well as the woman who may have attempted to receive Holy Orders, incurs in a latae sententiae excommunication, reserved to the Apostolic See.

If he who shall have attempted to confer Holy Orders on a woman or if the woman who shall have attempted to received Holy Orders is a faithful bound to the Code of Canons of the Oriental Churches, he is to be punished with the major excommunication, whose remission remains reserved to the Apostolic See, in accordance with can. 1443 of the same Code (cf. can. 1423, Code of Canons of the Oriental Churches).

The present decree enters in force immediately after its publication in L’Osservatore Romano.
William Cardinal Levada
Prefect
Angelo Amato, s.d.b.
Titular Archbishop of Sila
Secretary
zenit.org/article-22752?l=english

Priests, Prophets and Kings
According to Lumen Gentium, the Church, in its twofold ministry toward its own members and toward those outside, shares in Jesus’ threefold office of Priest, Prophet and King, that is, it participates in Jesus’ ministry to sanctify, to teach and to govern (see 10-13). While bishops, priests and deacons exercise, within the Church, the ministries of sanctifying, teaching and governing through the power and authority bestowed upon them at their sacramental ordination, all Catholic lay men and women also share in this threefold ministry of Christ. Catholic lay men and women, by their baptismal and confirmational character, are empowered, in Christ through the Holy Spirit, to be priests, prophets and kings and so come to share in the Church’s ministry of sanctification, teaching and governing
wf-f.org/06-3CatholicLaity.html

BISHOP LAURENCE RYAN - As a theologian and bishop he was tireless in encouraging lay people to fully participate in the life of the church and to exercise in full their baptismal vocation as priest prophet and king
catholiccommunications.ie/Pressrel/16-october-2003.html
1 Corinthians 12
28 And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors; after that miracles; then the graces of healing, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches.

1 Timothy 2 11 Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed; then Eve. 14 And Adam was not seduced; but the woman being seduced, was in the transgression. 15 Yet she shall be saved through childbearing; if she continue in faith, and love, and sanctification, with sobriety

 

[Ignatius]

I would like to know if you think priests should be allowed to marry and still stay in the priesthood… If so, Why or why not??

Married men become priests in almost all of the Orders and Rites of the Catholic Church. If one chooses to enter a celibate order and live as St. Paul suggests, that is a gift from God.

 

[rinnie]

STRAIGHT ANSWERS
Father William P. Saunders​

What’s the deal about legally married priests?
ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.htm

I am sorry that did not say a Roman Catholic Priest can marry. Go back and read it again.

 

[dosdog]

I am sorry that did not say a Roman Catholic Priest can marry. Go back and read it again.

The Trullan Synod (692 A.D.), also known as the Quinisext, determined that bishops should not be married, but marriage was permitted for deacons and priests before ordination. No marriage was allowed after ordination. A priest or a deacon could not renounce his wife on the pretense of piety, but sexual relations were prohibited prior to celebrating the liturgy, which usually meant the Sunday observance
byzantines.net/epiphany/ordination.htm

Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.

By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

 

[estesbob]

Its BOTH.

A Priest a lot more powerful than a Nun.

Thats not true. a Priest has no power over a nun and depending on her postion if her order a Nun may very well have more power than a Priest.

A Pope near infinitely powerful than a Mother Superior.

Correct-which is why the Spirit chooses who will be Pope

 

[rinnie]

The Trullan Synod (692 A.D.), also known as the Quinisext, determined that bishops should not be married, but marriage was permitted for deacons and priests before ordination. No marriage was allowed after ordination. A priest or a deacon could not renounce his wife on the pretense of piety, but sexual relations were prohibited prior to celebrating the liturgy, which usually meant the Sunday observance
byzantines.net/epiphany/ordination.htm

Celibacy of the Clergy
Speaking, for the moment, only of Western Christendom, the candidates for orders are solemnly warned by the bishop at the beginning of the ceremony regarding the gravity of the obligation which they are incurring. He tells them:

You ought anxiously to consider again and again what sort of a burden this is which you are taking upon you of your own accord. Up to this you are free. You may still, if you choose, turn to the aims and desires of the world (licet vobis pro artitrio ad caecularia vota transire). But if you receive this order (of the subdiaconate) it will no longer be lawful to turn back from your purpose. You will be required to continue in the service of God, and with His assistance to observe chastity and to be bound for ever in the ministrations of the Altar, to serve who is to reign.

By stepping forward despite this warning, when invited to do so, and by co-operating in the rest of the ordination service, the candidate is understood to bind himself equivalently by a vow of chastity. He is henceforth unable to contract a valid marriage, and any serious transgression in the matter of this vow is not only a grievous sin in itself but incurs the additional guilt of sacrilege.
newadvent.org/cathen/03481a.htm

I am sorry that is the Orthodox position not the ROman Catholic, I am pretty busy now, but i will find out the ROman Catholic full position on this and get back to you.

 

[impalass]

Good point, but I would imagine that one’s focus would be split…between wife/children, and the Church’s needs, etc…

That being said, we are to ALL live focused on Christ, and through our families, we serve God. I don’t view my family as far and away from God–rather, I’m a wife and mother through Christ. I can only be a great wife and mom, if I’m truly devoted to following God’s plan for my life. So, the focus doesn’t shift to my family, from God–rather it’s united.

The difference is that if I were also a nun, let’s say…it would be hard for me to be completely focused on my family’s needs, while say, being called to feed the hungry and poor of India, for example–like some nuns are called to do.

I think I have asked this question before, but I’m having a memory lapse…were priests (RCC) ever allowed to marry in the past?

There are thousands of lay people who volunteer their services in foreign countries to help out sick/poor etc  and I am sure many are married.  Whats the hangup of a nun being married?   What church law forbids that?   Remember back in the 50s 60s when nuns wore those long black and white habits.  We called them penquins.  They were oppressed.  You couldn't see their hair, their ears, their chest area, their legs, or feet. It was like a sexual coverup.   We thought it was normal way of dressing we didn't know any different.  During the late1960s  younger nuns came along and caused a lot of problems for the older nuns.  I know this for a fact I know  2 ex nuns and they told me of the generation battles between the old and young nuns. Screaming matches!   Today nuns (numbers are dwindling quickly) dress in more modern type of habit.  The old way now seems silly when I see pictures of what was before.   Times change, and usually for the better.  We cling too often to things of the past.  Forward thinking is better.

You will see changes in the catholic church in a generation or so.  In a few years when pope benedict dies you could possibly see a much younger pope with radical liberal ideas.  The growth now in the church is in the continent of Africa and South america.   Western europe catholic church is all but dying away.  Same in Canada.   Over 50% of Canadians are baptized catholics but less then 20% attend mass.  50 years ago over 85% attended mass weekly.   Catholics are changing and changing quickly.

 

[dosdog]

There are thousands of lay people who volunteer their services in foreign countries to help out sick/poor etc and I am sure many are married. Whats the hangup of a nun being married? What church law forbids that? Remember back in the 50s 60s when nuns wore those long black and white habits. We called them penquins. They were oppressed. You couldn’t see their hair, their ears, their chest area, their legs, or feet. It was like a sexual coverup. We thought it was normal way of dressing we didn’t know any different. During the late1960s younger nuns came along and caused a lot of problems for the older nuns. I know this for a fact I know 2 ex nuns and they told me of the generation battles between the old and young nuns. Screaming matches! Today nuns (numbers are dwindling quickly) dress in more modern type of habit. The old way now seems silly when I see pictures of what was before. Times change, and usually for the better. We cling too often to things of the past. Forward thinking is better.

You will see changes in the catholic church in a generation or so.  In a few years when pope benedict dies you could possibly see a much younger pope with radical liberal ideas.  The growth now in the church is in the continent of Africa and South america.   Western europe catholic church is all but dying away.  Same in Canada.   Over 50% of Canadians are baptized catholics but less then 20% attend mass.  50 years ago over 85% attended mass weekly.   Catholics are changing and changing quickly.

1 Corinthians 7 38 Therefore, both he that giveth his virgin in marriage, doth well; and he that giveth her not, doth better.

Matthew 19 12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it.

 

[mercygate]

There are thousands of lay people who volunteer their services in foreign countries to help out sick/poor etc and I am sure many are married. Whats the hangup of a nun being married? What church law forbids that? Remember back in the 50s 60s when nuns wore those long black and white habits. We called them penquins. They were oppressed. You couldn’t see their hair, their ears, their chest area, their legs, or feet. It was like a sexual coverup. We thought it was normal way of dressing we didn’t know any different. During the late1960s younger nuns came along and caused a lot of problems for the older nuns. I know this for a fact I know 2 ex nuns and they told me of the generation battles between the old and young nuns. Screaming matches! Today nuns (numbers are dwindling quickly) dress in more modern type of habit. The old way now seems silly when I see pictures of what was before. Times change, and usually for the better. We cling too often to things of the past. Forward thinking is better.

Note: Nuns cannot marry because celibacy is central to community life. It is not like priests at all. Monks cannot marry for the same reason: They promise to live the “evangelical counsels” of poverty, chastity (in celibacy) and obedience. Those who are called to both marriage and to consecrated life will follow other options, as I have as a life-pledged and vowed member of the Confraternity of Penitents.

Note: Orders that are not shrinking but thriving are those that espouse a strong rule of life and that have adopted the habit.

You will see changes in the catholic church in a generation or so. In a few years when pope benedict dies you could possibly see a much younger pope with radical liberal ideas. The growth now in the church is in the continent of Africa and South america. Western europe catholic church is all but dying away. Same in Canada. Over 50% of Canadians are baptized catholics but less then 20% attend mass. 50 years ago over 85% attended mass weekly. Catholics are changing and changing quickly.

Catholics may be changing, but it is clearly not for the better.

 

[Cantaloupe]

Note: Nuns cannot marry because celibacy is central to community life. It is not like priests at all. Monks cannot marry for the same reason: They promise to live the “evangelical counsels” of poverty, chastity (in celibacy) and obedience. Those who are called to both marriage and to consecrated life will follow other options, as I have as a life-pledged and vowed member of the Confraternity of Penitents.

Note: Orders that are not shrinking but thriving are those that espouse a strong rule of life and that have adopted the habit.

Catholics may be changing, but it is clearly not for the better.

WORD…

 

[Cantaloupe]

Has anyone ever phathom the thought that maybe nuns, monks and priests like being celibate!!! That maybe they like devoting their entire being to christ and the church alone…

 

[Kay_Cee]

I am not so sure this is a universally accepted notion of ordination vows… for one thing, **how can a person be perpetually bound by oaths taken at one time in his life when he doesn’t know the future and how things can change in his cirucumstances/relationships?? **When he is ordained, he may be 100% sure he wnts to be celibate becasue he isn’t in love with anyone and (etc.)… but in 20 yrs, things could change drastically…

forever is a very long time… How can a mere human being make such a vow, pledging his future, as if he knows what that future will hold?

I find it amusing that this argument is being used to claim priests should be allowed to marry. After all, doesn’t marriage involve an oath taken at one time in a person’s life when he doesn’t know the future and how things can change in his circumstances/relationships? When I married my husband, that’s what I did.

 

[rinnie]

I was using Rinnie’s logic:

“If you are TOTALLY dedicated there is no time for a family”

Mary had time for family.

Please let me speak for myself, Yes Mary was TOTALLY devoted to God, and no Mary didnt have time for a family. Not in way we see a family today. Mary was totally devoted to Christ. She was a virgin, until the day she died. A family has a husband, has a intimate relationship with her husband, Mary was as devoted to God as any nun. SHe had total and full faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and devoted her life, and watched her son crucified, that is not you normal family. I am sorry. So please dont use Mary as an example to tear down our faith. It just doesnt work that way.

 

[BSHoop96]

Of course it is a sin. And it does NOT help a person keep his vows. The appetite originates in the brain.

This a totally ridiculous line of thought of course, but I must add that castration removes the body’s ability to produce testosterone and as a result, no desire. Which is why they castrated eunichs in a harem.

 

[Cathdefender]

There are thousands of lay people who volunteer their services in foreign countries to help out sick/poor etc and I am sure many are married. Whats the hangup of a nun being married? What church law forbids that? Remember back in the 50s 60s when nuns wore those long black and white habits. We called them penquins. They were oppressed. You couldn’t see their hair, their ears, their chest area, their legs, or feet. It was like a sexual coverup. We thought it was normal way of dressing we didn’t know any different. During the late1960s younger nuns came along and caused a lot of problems for the older nuns. I know this for a fact I know 2 ex nuns and they told me of the generation battles between the old and young nuns. Screaming matches! Today nuns (numbers are dwindling quickly) dress in more modern type of habit. The old way now seems silly when I see pictures of what was before. Times change, and usually for the better. We cling too often to things of the past. Forward thinking is better.

You will see changes in the catholic church in a generation or so.  In a few years when pope benedict dies you could possibly see a much younger pope with radical liberal ideas.  The growth now in the church is in the continent of Africa and South america.   Western europe catholic church is all but dying away.  Same in Canada.   Over 50% of Canadians are baptized catholics but less then 20% attend mass.  50 years ago over 85% attended mass weekly.   Catholics are changing and changing quickly.

**Wrong. The Catholic faith has increased from 1.5 billion to 1.12 billion.**You are harboring wrong information and stop doing so.

 

[BSHoop96]

You have the part about base salary correct. Most, but not all, get free rent…most do NOT have free board. Some get a car allowance, some don’t, it’s up to the Parish. Dental plans, health care and especially pensions are NOT included in most priests compensation. The ones I have spoken to pay their own pensions. SOME priests do quite well on the stipends…some do not…you’d be surprised by the number of times I’ve seen people NOT give a stipend to a priest for a wedding, or a funeral, or a baptism done outside mass…and the stipend can not be required. On Christmas some priests do VERY WELL with the gifts they recieve.

Here a few of our retired priests are in residence at a Church or they live in the old seminary rooms at the pastoral center. Then when they become too frail or ill, on to the Catholic nursing home. They are not on the beach drinking pina coladas.

 

[jmcrae]

**Wrong. The Catholic faith has increased from 1.5 billion to 1.12 billion.**You are harboring wrong information and stop doing so.

Other way around, I think …

1.12 billion is .38 < 1.5 billion.

 

[BSHoop96]

If priests were allowed to marry whats wrong with increasing salaries?. People negotiate contracts everyday for the jobs they have. I would have no problem with that? The system works well in other CHRISTIAN faiths.

Read anything about Oral Roberts University lately?

 

[PaulDupre]

The catholic church teaches that we go to purgatory before judgement day. A holding tank for heaven/hell according to the church. Not my belief.

Well, now we know that impalass is either not a Catholic or is nominally Catholic but has never learned anything about Catholic doctrine.

That explains it all.

 

[BSHoop96]

This is insulting to those Catholic priests, both in the Latin Rite, and in other Rites or the Catholic Church, as well as the Orthodox churches, and our early Church Fathers who were or are married. Perhaps part of the solution is for the laity to take on some of the things that have fallen onto the priest…to start carrying our own weight.

Oh gosh, let’s not go there. There are some things the laity is doing now that they shouldn’t be doing.