Do you/would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass?

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Well we just don’t know how many people have carry permits do we. That is why they call it a “concealed weapons permit” .But in my area I bet there are a few in church. I will be getting a carry permit soon. It just makes sense now a days.
 
I have to say I am absolutely stunned and dismayed by some of the responses. Both by the apathy and the misinformation spewed.

I get it – some will never be up to the task of carrying a concealed in a safe manner that could ultimately help to save lives. Due to age, infirmity, financial constraint, inability/unwillingness to take the time and make the effort to be correctly trained or the simple unwillingness to make the effort to carry a concealed firearm. The commitment is not a light one!

But some of the comments offered in this thread as excuses to not even consider carrying are absolutely stunning to me including:
  • The erroneous belief that it is somehow intrinsically morally wrong to carry a firearm inside of a church.
  • The apathetic belief that “it won’t make a difference anyway.”
  • The cowardly (and false) belief that “church would be a great place to repose anyway.”
  • The inference that it is just better to die than defend. WOW!
I am just stunned…
 
oldwoman159 said:
Well we just don’t know how many people have carry permits do we. That is why they call it a “concealed weapons permit” .But in my area I bet there are a few in church. I will be getting a carry permit soon. It just makes sense now a days.
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Bingo. This is very true.
 
If one is motivated to research and ultimately buy a firearm for self-defense, can that not be a product of God working in him? If one is driven to become fully trained so they know how to react in a deadly situation so that they might save their life and those of others, can that not be a product of God working in him?
 
We will have to agree to disagree on that point. I see a logical dichotomy in that, you don’t.
 
Do you, or would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass? - No.

Given all the crazies in this world should parishes have safety plans where certain members who are properly trained (some ushers?) carry firearms and perhaps pepper spray at Mass? - A safety plan; yes. Armed security, no.

How does the killing of 26+ innocent people at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on Sunday, November 5, impact your answer? - It has further affirmed in my belief that greater armament is not the answer.
 
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JetteZ said:
Do you, or would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass? - No.

Given all the crazies in this world should parishes have safety plans where certain members who are properly trained (some ushers?) carry firearms and perhaps pepper spray at Mass? - A safety plan; yes. Armed security, no.

How does the killing of 26+ innocent people at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas on Sunday, November 5, impact your answer? - It has further affirmed in my belief that greater armament is not the answer.
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Yup.

There are apparently plenty of folks out there who think the best way to fight a house fire is to douse it with more fire or fuel…

Romans 1:22
 
As a police officer I carry a firearm absolutely everywhere I go, though I would not carry into a Catholic parish that specifically prohibited it (I would actually simply never attend such a parish, rather than disobey legitimate religious authority). Since I am bound to take necessary action to protect life should I encounter a violent felony, even off-duty, it would be absolutely insane not to equip myself properly. Some of the comments above about “being prepared to kill” are way off base and show absolutely no understanding of proper firearm culture. The intent is never to kill, but only to stop the threat, and every responsible gun owner hopes to never have to use his or hew weapon. As a side note, any organization that has a “No Firearms” policy may as well hang a bulls eye and a sign that says “Easy Prey” on their front door.
 
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I’m instantly critical of the legitimacy of any statement that follows this opener.
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Such a terrible and inflammatory thing to say about the President of the United States. To be honest however, I feel the same way about your own postings when they concern “gun control.”
 
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The Lord told St. Peter to put his sword away so that he would not prevent what was supposed to happen. He did not tell him to get rid of it, and in another part of Scripture even tells his disciples to buy one. He never says to not defend the innocent. There’s also the Catechism, which states that defending the lives of others can even be a grave obligation.
 
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Vonsalza:
I’m instantly critical of the legitimacy of any statement that follows this opener.
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I feel the same way about your own postings as well.
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Then I’m confident I’m doing something right. 👍
 
Well, letting people with mental health problems own guns was a probably a contributing factor, yes.

If the mentally ill person didn’t have easy access to a gun, however…
 
I would also add to my original response that the situation involving St. Peter was entirely different. For one thing, the soldiers who came to arrest Jesus were representatives of the lawful government of the region, not mentally ill maniacs bent on mass murder. The criminal charges against Him were baseless, but Jesus likely would have recognized the authority of the soldiers to arrest Him. Also, it is likely that Christ knew that St. Peter would have been slaughtered had he attempted to fight the soldiers. Hardly the premature ending He would have wanted for the man He chose to lead His Church.

I’m always open to correction by legitimate sources, but these seem to be two entirely different scenarios.
 
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