Do you/would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass?

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Salutations,
I want to compliment you on your vocabulary. EMPIRICAL STUDIES. I’m not in that arena of education now, where we discussed empirical findings. It made me feel uplifted traveling down memory lane. I’m 70 yo now. I find it a tad hard getting a certain word. Texting can help w debates. Words come out of cobwebs.
Have a great day.
May our debates keep a thread of love through them. In Jesus Name.
 
I am all for mentally ill people not being allowed to own firearms. But they must be adjudicated as mentally ill.

I am very much against taking away a constitutional right without due process! This is the USA, not Saudi Arabia!
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RIght, because between the two potential harms here - that of large numbers of people losing their lives or one person not being allowed a gun - the balance should definitely swing toward making sure the one person isn’t deprived of his gun.

This is why I am so very glad that Canada has a reasonable limits clause in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so that this argument absolutely falls flat.
 
Jesus said “all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”
 
Isn’t there something in canon law about forbidding bringing weapons into church? Or maybe it’s about fighting in church.
 
Duesenberg: G2-RIP is a gimmick. Period, end of story. There are many, many better rounds out there. I have seen real-world performance of it, can’t go into specifics, but it’s not terribly impressive. Think of it as similar to a fragmenting varmint round, with a much bigger price tag. I’d take a Barnes XP, a Federal HST, or a Speer Gold-Dot over that garbage any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Also, the 9mm variety can choke Glocks; yes, ammo that even a Glock cannot digest.

RandomAlias: Interesting quote. How does that fit with the folks who got shot in TX this weekend? Guessing that the toddlers didn’t live by the sword or take the sword. Would you have said the same thing in response to when the OK City bombing happened, or the Pan-Am flight that got spread over Scotland, or the September 11th mess? Or, is it only firearm related incidents that trigger such a response?

Mental illness, other mental issues, and mass killings: Jim Jones didn’t use a firearm to do it. Tim McVeigh didn’t either. The September 11th crowd didn’t either. Sadly, if somebody is determined to kill a bunch of people, they will find ways to do it. I remember reading a while back about a drone that was found to be carrying explosives.
 
The U.S. is not the most dangerous country in the developed world. If you go by developed countries, South Africa has the highest murder rate. Check out this information from the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime, as restated in Wikipedia.

Here is the Web site of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime.
 
I would not want to carry a weapon. However, I think it might be a good idea to have something like an air marshall system in place.

Maybe there should be one person designated at each mass that carries and is proficient.
 
That’s one of the comments I’ve made in response to people who say that gun violence will be solved by passing more gun-restrictive legislation: “Because criminals are known for their law-abiding tendencies … oh, wait …”
 
I normally don’t reply in threads of this nature, but this is honestly such an ugly statement on your part. To speak about the living situations of the people who live in these places without addressing the underlying reasons for their situations seems incredibly arrogant and uncompassionate.

As to your question, as someone who served in the US Army, saw combat in Afghanistan, and was honorably discharged after my years of service, I would not bring a gun into God’s house.

It’s honestly amazing to me how many Americans seem to think their right to owning a gun or their right to property supersedes another person’s right to their God given life. There isn’t a single thing I own that is worth killing someone else, and if you’ve never been in the position where you’ve had to kill someone (as I have), even if they’re trying to kill you, then I don’t think you can truly comprehend how grimy it feels to do it, and the almost gleeful way so many people speak about the prospect of doing so is frankly sickening.
 
RandomAlias said:
Jesus said “all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”
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he also said

“But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

— Luke 22:36, NIV
 
A lot of it is perspective. You have been somewhere they have not, and that makes a big difference for starters. Still, I don’t think it’s such a bad idea to have one person in the church designated. just my opinion, of course.
 
SaintMirror said:
without addressing the underlying reasons for their situations seems incredibly arrogant and uncompassionate
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what do you see as the underlying reason for their situation?

what can be done to eliminate their situation?
 
casslean said:
RIght, because between the two potential harms here - that of large numbers of people losing their lives or one person not being allowed a gun - the balance should definitely swing toward making sure the one person isn’t deprived of his gun.
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I didn’t say that. Please don’t try to spin what I said. What I said was:

I am all for mentally ill people not being allowed to own firearms. But they must be adjudicated as mentally ill.

I am very much against taking away a constitutional right without due process! This is the USA, not Saudi Arabia!
casslean said:
This is why I am so very glad that Canada has a reasonable limits clause in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so that this argument absolutely falls flat.
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LOL!! Are you serious? Particularly in this context? While Canada has banned AR15 platform rifles (the current political boogieman of all firearms), it freely allows guns like the Israeli Tavor:



and the Norinco M14/M305 (which are not even available in the US):


This shows just how abjectly ignorant Canadian politicos are – almost as bad as their American counterparts.
 
Hello.

No, I can’t trust myself with a firearm. I learned that many years ago.

Yes, there should be safety plans for emergencies at church, but in line with the nature of what the Mass is. Mass is when I’m home and don’t need to worry about the world. That’s one thing I like about it.

I just learned of this shooting this afternoon. I usually go to Confession right before Mass, so that would be a quick way to martyrdom and to being forever with the Lord. I’ve thought about this already because this has happened before in the Mideast and throughout history. It has also happened in an Amish place of worship some years ago.

I think I need to read about the 4 last things though. Thanks for the reminder to keep what is most important in life foremost in my mind. I’ve let other things cloud my mind lately.
 
Seeksadvice said:
? Guessing that the toddlers didn’t live by the sword or take the sword.
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Maybe toddlers are taking the sword… or taking their parent’s sword. Texas leads the nation in fatalities by toddlers firing guns. Often the fatality is the toddler with the gun. Nationwide, on average, toddlers shoot dead about one person per week. This is not counting injuries. This wouldn’t happen if there weren’t so many guns in toddler’s homes or mommy’s purse.
 
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Maybe toddlers are taking the sword… or taking their parent’s sword. Texas leads the nation in fatalities by toddlers firing guns. Often the fatality is the toddler with the gun. Nationwide, on average, toddlers shoot dead about one person per week. This is not counting injuries. This wouldn’t happen if there weren’t so many guns in toddler’s homes or mommy’s purse.
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52 per year in a country of 330 million? And how many of those happen in areas with gun control?
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Tell that to Jesus.
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:roll_eyes:

Next time, just wave the white flag.

You are gravely mistaken if you think God is okay with feel-good solutions that inevitably make things worse.
 
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