Do you/would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass?

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Several years ago, I read a story about how somewhere in the UK they were trying to outlaw the points on knives because so many people were getting stabbed. The proposed new “knife” had a swiggly end.

The commentator dead panned he would rather be stabbed with a normal knife than deal with an angry man who was determined to make the modified knife work.
 
KathleenT said:
Several years ago, I read a story about how somewhere in the UK they were trying to outlaw the points on knives because so many people were getting stabbed. The proposed new “knife” had a swiggly end.

The commentator dead panned he would rather be stabbed with a normal knife than deal with an angry man who was determined to make the modified knife work.
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There are still attempts in the UK to make larger knives – like butcher knives illegal altogether. It’s absolutely nuts.
 
That’s crazy, how would that even be enforced? Hide the knife under the floor to carve the Christmas goose?
 
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A lot of Churches in the USA have uniformed police, undercover police and signs that say some of the congregation may be armed.

That goes a long toward preventing what happened in Texas.
 
I’m OK with that. Ushers often have a security oriented role in urban parishes.
 
After experiencing robberies at church, in which the collection was stolen, we arranged for off duty police to be present.

Good but not good enough. We also had all our chalices stolen.

They are not solid gold; they are plated. Not worth much if melted down, but very expensive to replace.

And some priests were very upset because they were their ordination chalices.
 
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He missed a step. You don’t just drop the magazine and think it’s empty. You ALWAYS inspect the chamber, manually if possible. That should be practiced until it’s automatic, much like taking the thumb safety “off” (if so equipped) on the draw.

Also, when presenting a weapon to another person, you drop the magazine if equipped and lock the action open or open the cylinder (and remove the rounds) and leave it that way
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I think he dropped the magazine and locked the bolt to the rear, ejecting the round, but then brainfarted and put the magazine back in the pistol without first releasing the bolt, then he released the slide catch, thereby chambering a round which subsequently went off. If its the same incident I am thinking of. Regardless, he still screwed it up. Unfortunately many people learn terrible weapons discipIine through ignorance or whatever. I have seen some terrible habits- people putting their finger in the trigger well while just holding the weapon, people thinking they are badasses just walking around with the safety off, people pointing weapons in the direction of others, etc. IMO, if you don’t know how to handle your weapon or don’t know basic firearm safety, DON"T PLAY WITH FIREARMS. It would prevent a lot of accidents.
 
Sure.

I mean He’s the Prince of Peace but isn’t His mouth as a sword? Isn’t He the Lord of Hosts?
 
Where did you come up with that? “olice are an obvious exception universally accepted by societies where law and order prevail.” Not true. The British Isles and many other countries have very few armed police. It is only accepted there in extreme exceptions.

You also say, “Can you honestly see Pope Francis encouraging the laity to come to Mass armed?” Uh the police are laity. They are not ordained. The Swiss Guards are laity.

Also, I have no desire to “take a step back from the very specifically conservative American culture that permeates this thread.” I, for one of us, an proud to be an American, and proud of our Constitution, including the Second Amendment. I served in the military to defend it. Other countries do, and should envy us, even with our flaws. And the Catholic Church would be greatly diminished if it were not for the United States.,
 
There are good things to be envious of…but that doesn’t mean America and Americans have all the right answers in every category. I enjoy visiting America and have American friends, but I have no desire to be American or to be more like America. In terms of the Catholic Church being greatly diminished, I assume you mean financially? Numerically certainly not… 60 million out of a billion Catholics? My point was that there are certain cultural opinions prevalent on CAF that simply don’t reflect the views of the majority of Catholics around the world. If you really do mean in terms of financial contributions, that has zero bearing on truth or what is right or wrong.
You’re right, of course, that the Swiss Guards or other police are laity. They are a certain subset of laity specifically designated by the competent authority to serve and protect. I’m very happy to see armed police. I was raised to trust the police and I’ve had no reason to question that so far in my life. Every officer I’ve ever met has been a true servant of the people. St Paul writes in Scripture that the emperor has the right to bear the sword to punish the wicked. My government gives that right to bear the sword to sworn servants in the police force. I have no desire to carry a sword myself.
 
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St Paul writes in Scripture that the emperor has the right to bear the sword to punish the wicked. My government gives that right to bear the sword to sworn servants in the police force. I have no desire to carry a sword myself.
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In the US, the right to punish is restricted to the Court system. The police have the right and the obligation to defend the people, but the punishment of the wicked can only come through the Courts.

The Police are not permitted to even make the determination of guilt, let alone punish those found to be guilty.
 
Correct. Police carry guns primarily for their own protection the protection of others. If a cop uses his gun to punish, he is guilty of at least aggravated assault.
 
Yes if necessary. Of course I would discuss with Father first. Thankfully I do not need to do this since we have several off duty police officers at every Mass now. Sad, isn’t it?
 
Brendan said:
The police have the right and the obligation to defend the people, but the punishment of the wicked can only come through the Courts.
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not true, The Supreme Court has ruled that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm,
 
The USA is one of the few counties that you might need a gun to go to church - that’s because you have all these crazy people with guns who make a b-lines right for the most vulnerable people such as schools and churches - guns ownership is more important that the loss of human life in the USA - pretty sad statement about the USA. But its your country your laws if you want crazy people to own guns so be it - but don’t be surprised when these terrible things happen again its just a matter of time till the next crazy one decides they want to kill a bunch of people. It will happen.
 
I couldn’t go to Church if I knew that people were carrying guns.

That might just be the Australian in me.

Honestly, the amount of weapons people have in the Americas just frightens me. I’ve never been to the US or the Americas and I do plan on keeping it that way. The amount of gun deaths is tragic.
 
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Duesenberg:
Once again. There’s no honor in not defending oneself in God’s eyes. If one is up to it, God is pleased if we preserve our lives and those of other innocents.
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Although I can find items about self defense in the CCC, I couldn’t find anything related to your comments in there. Did I miss it?
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How about there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for a freind!
 
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