Do you/would you carry a concealed firearm to Mass?

[StephieNorthCo]

Thanks. Good thoughts. I read the the “those who legitimately hold authority” part and no one left me in charge. I guess I’m just a stupid girl.

 

[josh987654321]

In a confined area, shotguns are really, really nasty.

Yup, but the main idea is someone thinking of committing a massacre is only going to attempt it if they think they can get enough people, with a double barrel shotgun, they wont get enough for a massacre no matter how they use it, they only get two shots and in the process of reloading can be subdued.

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[josh987654321]

Which is precisely my point. We have up’d the stakes, analogous to two nations building increasingly large military forces in response to each other. The alleged “solution” can only be more, more, more, more.

On the micro scale, one can only realistically carry a hand gun around on them, so I don’t see how that will go up and up. On the Macro scale you have a point, nations also need to invest in their defense though. You can’t go backwards unless everyone else does, and then in the event of a war, nobody is going to honor the honesty system when they are on the verge of defeat.

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[josh987654321]

Although I can find items about self defense in the CCC

EDIT: My bad, upant already posted the Catechism, please disregard this.

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[josh987654321]

and you just held an amnesty to get approx 250,000 illegal guns off the street. last i read you had about 50k turned in.

I heard about this also, however, I think you would be hard pressed to find some decent Assault Rifles in there capable of performing a massacre with?

Except I heard they picked up some Steyr AUG Assault rifles in it. That’s a bit different though since they are the weapon our Army uses, so police should have been on to that.

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[upant]

Thanks. Good thoughts. I read the the “those who legitimately hold authority” part and no one left me in charge. I guess I’m just a stupid girl.

but who does hold legitimately authority? are we not all supposed to be our brothers keeper? is the clergy responsible for your safety?

 

[RandomAlias]

… Glock G17L … Sig P938 … a full-frame 6" barrel Glock… At least it gives 17+1 instead of 7+1.

I thought I was the only G17L fan left. It has LONG been on my CCW card – until it was replaced by a G40. I use a “murse.”

How is the G40? Wanted to get one, but 10mm ammo is a serious PITA to find at times. Federal makes a nasty 10mm bonded hunting load. Waiting on a potent Barnes load that isn’t as ridiculously pressured as Buffalo Bore, Underwood, etc. Barnes’ Vortex in 10mm is less than impressive. I refuse to load ammunition named “Double Tap,” it just “sounds bad”.

Not 1,400FPS out of that gun That would have to be a 110 grain load I’m guessing.

I’d take a 120ish grain Barnes XP load at a bit more sedate pace thank you very much. Or, a 110 grain Barnes XP .38Sp+P load, and much less recoil.

Nice S&W though

I really like it – especially since I don’t CC on my body. I like the size of it, the limited recoil due to the weight of the slide and particularly its long sight radius. 10 mil ammo can indeed be a pain to find. A friend of mine loads for the 10 which makes things much easier/cheaper. My carry ammo is Hornady Critical Duty Ammo or their XTP.

Ah, XTP usually is a fairly robust bullet (have seen complete core/jacket separation in a 158 grain .357 load into a thin steel door frame though).

In a confined area, shotguns are really, really nasty. Don’t just say it’s “no big deal” if the criminal has a shotgun. 3" 12 gauge 00 buckshot leaves a heck of an impression. 000 buckshot even more so, and won’t stop for pews, most interior walls, etc.

Most bolt-action rifles have enough power to penetrate most of the “cover” that you’re going to find. Unless Aussies load 30-06 down a lot, that round is going to penetrate desks, walls (most), pews, people, and various other things. .308Win isn’t far behind, have a bunch of ADI .308Win in 150grain Swift Sirocco II that I need to play-test next deer season. Even the lowly .223 will penetrate pews and most interior walls, especially with the right load.

You guys like to talk about guns and ammo, don’t you!

 

[upant]

upant:

and you just held an amnesty to get approx 250,000 illegal guns off the street. last i read you had about 50k turned in.

I heard about this also, however, I think you would be hard pressed to find some decent Assault Rifles in there capable of performing a massacre with?

Except I heard they picked up some Steyr AUG Assault rifles in it. That’s a bit different though since they are the weapon our Army uses, so police should have been on to that.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading

your issues are going from good to bad to worse.
from a 2015 melbourne story.

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

 

[LilyM]

Your comments are a bit troubling…

God doesn’t want us to be killed by criminals.

If one is up to it, I am sure God would be most pleased if someone defends themselves and defends others.

By the same token, God also doesn’t want us to live lives ruined by obsessive fear of those who, when all is said and done, can only destroy the body and not the soul.

 

[upant]

By the same token, God also doesn’t want us to live lives ruined by obsessive fear of those who, when all is said and done, can only destroy the body and not the soul.

a healthy dose of situational awareness is all that is needed.

those with their head in the sand or people walking around with their earphones on and nose in the phone are easy targets.

read the crime reports of shopping mall parking lots.

 

[michaelArc]

I don’t live in the US and I never will. My answer is no.

 

[Duesenberg]

By the same token, God also doesn’t want us to live lives ruined by obsessive fear of those who, when all is said and done, can only destroy the body and not the soul.

LOL!!

Being prepared does not equate to having “obsessive fear.” That’s claptrap. It’s also a very common anti-gunner judgement.

 

[StephieNorthCo]

StephieNorthCo:

Thanks. Good thoughts. I read the the “those who legitimately hold authority” part and no one left me in charge. I guess I’m just a stupid girl.

but who does hold legitimately authority? are we not all supposed to be our brothers keeper? is the clergy responsible for your safety?

A. Different question.
B. No. That’s quite the offensive use of brothers keeper. Not going to bite.

Look, you can’t site any legit reason why any paritioner OUGHT TO disrespect God’s house by turning it into a shooting gallery. That’s the way it is coming across, whether you intend it to or not. Your quote from CCC even suggests letting legitimate authority handle it.

There is a far higher probability of getting killed in a car accident than getting shot in Church.

I’ll go back to my original statement… I can’t think of a better time nor place to be taken out than at Mass in Church.

Blessings,
Stephie

 

[upant]

upant:

StephieNorthCo:

Thanks. Good thoughts. I read the the “those who legitimately hold authority” part and no one left me in charge. I guess I’m just a stupid girl.

but who does hold legitimately authority? are we not all supposed to be our brothers keeper? is the clergy responsible for your safety?

A. Different question.
B. No. That’s quite the offensive use of brothers keeper. Not going to bite.

Look, you can’t site any legit reason why any paritioner OUGHT TO disrespect God’s house by turning it into a shooting gallery. That’s the way it is coming across, whether you intend it to or not. Your quote from CCC even suggests letting legitimate authority handle it.

There is a far higher probability of getting killed in a car accident than getting shot in Church.

I’ll go back to my original statement… I can’t think of a better time nor place to be taken out than at Mass in Church.

Blessings,
Stephie

2264 gives you the right to self defense. it doesn’t say everywhere but church.

 

[Duesenberg]

Ah, XTP usually is a fairly robust bullet (have seen complete core/jacket separation in a 158 grain .357 load into a thin steel door frame though). Also, failed to penetrate the backside of the thin steel door frame too.

Have you heard anything real world about RIP Self Defense Ammo? They certainly look very provocative – they made a big splash this last summer. I’m curious about the efficacy and how reliable they are in a semi-auto handgun? I’m also curious how a jury would look at such exotic self-defense – particularly in a post-good shooting civil case.

 

[TK421]

LilyM:

By the same token, God also doesn’t want us to live lives ruined by obsessive fear of those who, when all is said and done, can only destroy the body and not the soul.

a healthy dose of situational awareness is all that is needed.

those with their head in the sand or people walking around with their earphones on and nose in the phone are easy targets.

read the crime reports of shopping mall parking lots.

Upant, this seems eccentric to me.

Situational awareness is for soldiers in combat situations. People who are living ordinary lives aren’t suppose to be waiting for a Die Hard scenario to develop. You’re not suppose to be in a partially elevated state of mind at all times. You should be thinking about things like work, friends, family, God, spaghetti, cherry cheesecake, a hot shower, a good book, etc. Worrying about a mass shooter is like anticipating a meteorite or a lightning bolt to strike you.

 

[StephieNorthCo]

Yep it sure does. It says nothing about it being, what was the wording, pleasing to God to usurp legitimate authority and declare martial law.

I can protect myself per CCC much better without a gun than with one. Others do as their well formed conscience dictates.

 

[Duesenberg]

I can protect myself per CCC much better without a gun than with one.

How the heck do you know, given your comments? Do you own a handgun? Have you been professional trained to shoot it? Have you practiced enough?

No, no and no…

 

[StephieNorthCo]

You don’t know, do you now? Just guessing?

Thanks.

You asked. I answered.
Thanks for the opportunity.

 

[ChunkMonk]

I would only do it of the priest specifically invited it.

People who are living ordinary lives aren’t suppose to be waiting for a Die Hard scenario to develop. You’re not suppose to be in a partially elevated state of mind at all times. You should be thinking about things like work, friends, family, God, spaghetti, cherry cheesecake, a hot shower, a good book, etc

I don’t think we necessarily have that luxury anymore.