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No such discovery has been made.
Neither is there any evidence that young people cannot transmit the virus.
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Neither is there any evidence that young people cannot transmit the virus.
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Youtube and the Chinese communist party seem to be cut from the same cloth
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niceatheist
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No, the data does not show that. There is some early data that suggests antibody levels from natural immunity don’t last for more than a few months. If that’s the case, herd immunity will take a very long time.JanR:
All new data seems to say herd immunity is way to go right now . Expect a spike and don’t panic.
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gam197
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Why were they not allowed to visit the dying?
There has been plenty of discuss that the virus early was not a problem for younger people. They were already in quarantine lock down. How could they transmit even if they were asymptomatic
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People driven into hysteria even though it was discovered rather quickly that young people would not die from virus. I am certain that many families fought to see their sick/dying love ones. They are still fighting.
I actually posted this story this morning to no response.
The chief problem with naysayers here and elsewhere is that they don’t seem to want to admit that we are actually very much still in the active investigation stage. This isn’t influenza, where we have decades of research. This virus does not behave like other better known coronaviruses. It has novel aspects, and early assumptions are being revised every day.
I know you’re very desperate to see the tail end of this pandemic, as are we all, but you’re making sweeping declarations that you have no evidence for.
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There have been other related accounts posted here as well.
perhaps. But what I find more surprising is the suggestions about trade-offs, with only vague, but alarmist, suggestions about the costs of the current policies. No data; just emotion.
Do you actually have the idea that asymptomatic people cannot transmit the virus?
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So why is there no uproar every year when tens of thousands of people in the U.S. die of the flu each year?. Yes, COVID19 is more contagious, yet the vast majority who contract it get over it, andjust like the flu cases, deaths are only among the vulnerable groups.
The problem is politics in an election year. On top of that there are plenty of reports of regular deaths being tallied among COVID19, even pressure being put on d0ctors to list the deaths as Coronavirus related.
The problem is politics in an election year. On top of that there are plenty of reports of regular deaths being tallied among COVID19, even pressure being put on d0ctors to list the deaths as Coronavirus related.
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What would be the point? We are familiar with the tranmissibility and lethality. We have some inherent immunity and vaccines with good efficacy. We know that, while some will die of flu-related complications, we will get through without needless deaths that stem from the overwhelming ouf our healthcare ssytem - let alone our mortuaries.
When considered each of these factors, COVID-19 is different and worse. With strong mitigation measures we are at 58k dead in months, and have stretched resources to the limit and beyond in hot spots.
This statement is untrue.
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gam197
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Early on most of us have known that some children have died from the virus, COVID-19 but when you read articles , most of these children has underlining health problem also. There was no rapid death of children in fact they seem the least likely to get this particular strain.
I am sure you are aware that children die each year from the regular flu.
It was hysteria created by the media. Healthy love ones were not allowed to see dying relatives. They were in a lock down and there would no risk of transmission but very cruel. It is still going on today.
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As the doctors in the video explained (people on the front lines) you have to factor in that the statistics are being skewed when pressure is being put on the healthcare system and doctors to list other deaths, such as pneumonia etc, as COVID19 -related deaths.
You have to realize that as a citizen of planet earth you can’t automatically believe everything the masters in power tell you. Among the good you will especially have the faithless and the evil and the organized crime seeking power and conniving their way to high levels of power, especially in politics.
There’s so much corruption and cronyism within the top levels of CDC and the WHO in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry and politics that they are untrustworthy and an arm of the so-called deep state.
You have to realize that as a citizen of planet earth you can’t automatically believe everything the masters in power tell you. Among the good you will especially have the faithless and the evil and the organized crime seeking power and conniving their way to high levels of power, especially in politics.
There’s so much corruption and cronyism within the top levels of CDC and the WHO in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry and politics that they are untrustworthy and an arm of the so-called deep state.
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The doctors in the video are nopt on the front line. They own an urgent care facility on Bakersfield.
You might consider doing a little more reading on how COVID-19 kills people.
I beleive people who says things that are compatible with what we know of epidemiological dynamics, and what we have seen of COCVID-19 so far. I don’t believe innumerate click-bait posted on youtube that is misaligned with what we know about pandemics and about COVID-19. No matter how alluring it is from confirmation bias.
Yeah. I am not buying that conspiracy theory either.
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niceatheist
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And once again, COVID-19 is not an influenza virus. It is a novel coronavirus that we are still very much learning about. Up until a week or two ago, no one was really aware that even children might be at risk.
I don’t understand your position. It seems so incredibly emotional that you just keep repeating the same things over and over and over.
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Conspiracy theories become real conspiracies when evidence mounts. Plenty of evidence; the problem are the masses who believe all the false narratives.
As for the doctors in te video, thise doctors are not on the front line? Are you saying they are liars?
As for the doctors in te video, thise doctors are not on the front line? Are you saying they are liars?
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gam197
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ER doctors for 20 years seems to qualify as front line worker. How many ER doctors do you think they know, go to conferences and seminars.
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This happened to a man I know; it turns out he had a bacterial infection. Antibiotics were delayed because although he was miserable it wasn’t bad enough to warrant a doctor’s visit. After he got the antibiotics, he recovered rather quickly. You’re right: you can’t really know without a test.
If you compare apples to apples, remember that current estimates of the mortality for the 2009 H1N1 are updated numbers:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(12)70121-4/fulltext
18 500 laboratory-confirmed deaths caused by the 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 were reported worldwide for the period April, 2009, to August, 2010. This number is likely to be only a fraction of the true number of the deaths associated with 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1. We aimed to estimate the global number of deaths during the first 12 months of virus circulation in each country…
“…We estimate that globally there were 201 200 respiratory deaths (range 105 700–395 600) with an additional 83 300 cardiovascular deaths (46 000–179 900) associated with 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1. 80% of the respiratory and cardiovascular deaths were in people younger than 65 years and 51% occurred in southeast Asia and Africa…”
Our estimate of respiratory and cardiovascular mortality associated with the 2009 pandemic influenza A H1N1 was 15 times higher than reported laboratory-confirmed deaths.
201,200 + 83,300 = 283,500, and that is the estimate from the vantage point of June 2012, which was two years after the H1N1 pandemic had run its course.
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The current estimate for today for the COVID-19 pandemic is 216,508, an increase over yesterday’s number of 211,449. Based on the Lancet article I cited, however, we can expect those numbers to be much higher when public health studies have a chance to look more closely at the pandemic. For instance, the first COVID-19 death in the United States was accounted as a cardiac arrest case at autopsy, but the coroner sent tissue samples to the CDC and looked at her symptoms prior to death and re-assigned her as a COVID-19 death.
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Being able to do more testing and tracing is absolutely crucial to re-opening, and we need to re-open!
Update on New York:
Almost a quarter of NYC residents test positive for COVID-19 antibodies: Cuomo | amNewYork
Governor Andrew Cuomo expanded on preliminary results to a statewide COVID-19 antibody tested program that has found that 24.7% of New York City residents had
www.amny.com
Governor Andrew Cuomo expanded on preliminary results to a statewide COVID-19 antibody tested program that has found that 24.7% of New York City residents had the virus at some point in the course of the pandemic…Compare these results to the “rest of state,” which consists of 35.9% of New Yorkers in the study, to New York City, consisting of 43% of the study, the percentage of those living upstate who tested positive was 3.2%.
My state, Oregon, which reported our first COVID-19 death on the same day as New York (March 14, which was not even six weeks ago) has had 92 COVID-19 deaths, which represents 2.3 deaths per 100,000 residents. The state of New York, meanwhile, has had 22,866 deaths, which represents 116.6 deaths per 100,000 residents.
If–Heaven forbid it!!–my state’s mortality rates reach that of the state of New York currently has (and it is not done yet), we would have 4,664 COVID-19 deaths, which is over 50 times worse than what we have seen so far. In a state that had 36,640 deaths due to all causes in 2017, that is a HUGE difference!!!
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gam197
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No it is not a huge number.
Japan did little to no testing. Prime defended that saying why do we need more testing.
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PetraG
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If losing 4,876 people instead of 92 within six weeks in a place that usually loses 36,000 in a year isn’t a huge number to you…what to say to that?
Why even have doctors, right? The undertaker sees the same number in the end, no matter what you do, right? What difference does it make?
We spend over $11,000 per person annually on health care in this country. What a waste, right, when we all have to die some day? Think of all the great things we could be doing with all those trillions of dollars instead of wasting it on doctors and nurses and hospitals and tests for people who are just going to die, anyway.
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That is fear mongering, speculation about number of “potential” deaths. Japan has not seen that happen. There economy has never shut down.
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I have not advocated for putting a total freeze on economic activity. Oregon still allows activity that can be carried out with physical distancing in place. We can still go to garden centers; construction crews can still work. (We also rely more heavily on personal rather than mass transportation and have more people in single-family dwellings than in multi-family dwellings, compared to the residents of the City of New York.)
My point is that this virus has a very real lethality. The numbers do not support shrugging it off as just another round of influenza. Oregon had 67 H1N1 deaths in 2009.
The state of Washington (which has had a more widespread COVID-19 outbreak) had 99 deaths due to H1N1 over the entire course of the outbreak; they have had 765 COVID-19 deaths so far.
The state of New York had 206 H1N1 deaths in 2009–again, over the entire outbreak. They have had 22,866 COVID-19 deaths so far.
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