Does abortion save millions from hell?

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Well, as others have mentioned, the end does not justify the means, so it didn’t “make me think” for too long.
 
Irishmom2 said:
Well, as others have mentioned, the end does not justify the means, so it didn’t “make me think” for too long
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Except, no one was suggesting here that the end justified the means. My OP was asking about outcomes.
 
I dont think anyone advocates for abortions to populate heaven. But rather that the harmful effects of abortion may not be as dire as claimed by some.
 
Yes, but are they being punished in hell for sending someone to heaven?
The only answer to this dilemma is that the material good is of moral value.
 
Rau said:
Perhaps you are making a case here for large scale genocide?
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Well, as I am an unbeliever, no, because I do not believe in hell. Genocide would have no good outcome, from my perspective, for anyone killed. For Catholics, however, the result of any death of an innocent or absolved person has a positive result.
 
Or abortion could be populating Limbo. The entire hypothesis is unsound and dangerous.
 
It only takes 1 to kill a foetus, and that 1 doesn’t have to be the mother.

Are those responsible for the death of a foetus going to hell for sending someone to heaven?
 
God’s law is written on everyone’s conscience, so not having full knowledge means either a failing of your conscience or not knowing the evil that your actions occasioned.
Knowledge of foetal personhood is essential; it would be wrong to call a***tion homicide or murder unless the foetus is a person.
Laws that are just can’t be arbitrary, so God’s laws can’t be proclaimed arbitrarily by the church but must proclaimed for the good of God and that which he creates.
 
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Abortion is wrong ok. Because the ends dont justify the means. But the ends are that heaven is populated. And a woman can live long enough to repent and then join her children in heaven.
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This sounds very dangerously close to justifying abortion. Sorry, but I really cannot see any other way to interpret it.
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But the people who need mercy, and love, and gentle care are the women survivors of abortion. And part of that healing could come with the aknowlegement that her children are ok and in heaven and perhaps even praying for her. By focusing on the babies we miss the actual people we can minister to.
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After the abortion has already happened and it’s too late to save the baby, then yes, focus on the healing of the mother. But before the abortion has taken place, the focus needs to be on both baby and mother to reach a solution that does not entail killing the baby.
 
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The existence of limbo would mean that God is unjust. Say someone murders a foetus. The murderer repents & goes to heaven & sees God. The foetus goes to limbo & never sees God. Would God be just to allow a murderer to go to heaven but not allow their innocent victim?
 
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It’s a numbers game. If we believe that God is not bound by the sacraments and can save the unborn then its possible that many aborted people will populate heaven. That would have to be something we consider good. That heaven is populated.
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I dont think anyone advocates for abortions to populate heaven. But rather that the harmful effects of abortion may not be as dire as claimed by some.
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You’re playing with fire. Please don’t downplay the evil of abortion. Such statements can potentially encourage women currently faced with a crisis pregnancy to have an abortion.
 
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Does anyone still believe in the doctrine of origina sin? Why do we baptize infants?
 
JimG said:
Does anyone still believe in the doctrine of origina sin?
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Yes…but is God not merciful and powerful enough to save a completely innocent human being who, through no fault of their own, didn’t get a chance to be baptized?
 
I hold the position abortion is wrong. But I also think its harmful to women to say babies that haven’t been born are not in heaven. This applies to both miscarriages and abortions. I believe they are in heaven and that is a good thing. But yes, abortion is bad.
 
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