Does Church Militant represent a small % of Catholics?

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From my experiences with other Catholics I haven’t found any disparaging remarks or negative comments. I’ve been treated very respectfully. And I hope to experience the same when I begin going through RCIA
 
For those just exploring Catholicism, I recommend exploring the local Catholic Church and maybe signing up for classes. You can even think of maybe signing up for RCIA to learn more.

Read up on the Catechism, there are a number of books by authors like Peter Kreeft or YouTube channels like Bishop Barron. EWTN is pretty good.
 
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Hey, it’s not for everyone. Like I said, I don’t watch them a lot but when do, I take it with a grain of salt, just as I do with any media.
 
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RealisticCatholic said:
I do understand that.

And i’m glad you point out the other underlying factors, like divorce. Homosexual marriage is a symptom, as you suggest. But it’s hardly the chief problem.

And that’s my point when it comes to Church Militant in particular: I don’t think it makes sense to say CM and Voris are focusing on “LGBT” because of the “final attack on the family” warning given by a Marian apparition.

I won’t hypothesize as to why it’s so focused on. Perhaps it’s a lot of different factors. My main concern is their method and approach. it’s one that scandalizes my own faith.

And, my last point would be same-sex marriages are just not that prevalent. We may talk about it or hear about it a lot. But we simply have bigger fish to fry, even when it comes to bolstering marriage in particular.
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I can agree with this. While I think that same-sex marriage is wrong, I don’t think we can fix that if we can’t get hetrosexual couples to understand the real meaning of marriage.

HOWEVER, as far as why Church Militant focuses on it, it isn’t because of lay homosexuals. They are focused on primarily gay clergy who pretend to be straight and behind closed doors try to change church teaching.

There is a LARGE number of priests and bishops who live secret lives. The identities of these priests are typically known to other priests, lay staff, and sometimes even the bishops. A lot of the lay people & deacons who know are starting to get sick of the hypocrisy. They want our priests to live holy lives, not living secret lives.

So when we have priests like Fr. Martin, they become the public face of the priests with secret lives. Now, maybe Fr. Martin is not chaste (I assume he is), but he is fighting for the unholy priests who are not (even if he doesn’t realize it).

NOW - again, I do NOT approve of all of Church Militant tactics. But people like Fr Martin do the same thing as Church Militant. The only difference is they do it with a simile on their face.

Personally, I will equally call out Church Militant for their unCatholic behavior, and I will call our Fr. Martin (and others like him) for theirs.

God Bless
 
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Sarcelle said:
For those just exploring Catholicism, I recommend exploring the local Catholic Church and maybe signing up for classes. You can even think of maybe signing up for RCIA to learn more.

Read up on the Catechism, there are a number of books by authors like Peter Kreeft or YouTube channels like Bishop Barron. EWTN is pretty good.
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And FORMED.org.
 
I’m not in the habit of going to churchmilitant.com, but on occasion one of their articles comes to my attention. Then I check the facts and usually find that they have exaggerated, misrepresented, or even just made stuff up. I don’t trust them.

I also think they confuse and scare off people who are considering Catholicism, new to the faith, or coming back to the Church.

To answer the question posed in the title, Church Militant does not represent Catholicism or many Catholics.

Beware.
 
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So when we have priests like Fr. Martin, they become the public face of the priests with secret lives. Now, maybe Fr. Martin is chaste,
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TO be fair, it would be better to say “Maybe Fr. Martin is not chaste.”

It’s a dangerous thing to accuse someone of this. There is no reason to think Fr Martin is not a faithful priest.

And i don’t see the similarity between CM and Fr. Martin. The latter is not full of hate. That’s been the main problem with them from my perspective and on this thread. So I don’t see what you’re getting at.
 
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I honestly don’t see why some people shy away from Church Militant. Much of their reporting is dead on! And I don’t like to play Ostrich by burying my head in the sand. I like to be well informed on what is happening around me, even if it does make me a little angry because they report on much of the corruption in the Church right now. Well it needs to be heard so we can do something about it.

And what’s wrong with righteous anger? Anger directed righteously can cause you to take a positive action against something that is wrong.

When Our Lord entered the temple and chased away the money changers was he happy? No, he was angry! He overturned tables, and called everyone out on their sacrilege. “It is written my house shall be a house of prayer! But you have made it into a den of thieves!”
 
Part of the problem is that many of those websites and bloggers share stories without diligent fact checking. So a questionable story begins in a minor blog somewhere, and then it taken up and spread by the likes of CM and NCR, one citing the other as their source.
 
Personally I think we may be approaching a point of impugning the motives of Father Martin, and that is something I think should be avoided.
 
And what’s wrong with righteous anger?
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It has a place.

But is it Jesus’ primary method?

Moreover, it’s more the hatred, contempt, and insensitivity aspects of CM’s methods that are a problem in my opinion.
 
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And i don’t see the similarity between CM and Fr. Martin.
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No similarity at all. CM (and others) are the biggest detractors of Fr.Martin. The poor guy can hardly say a word without them jumping all over him and saying horrible and untrue things about him.
 
The poor guy can hardly say a word without them jumping all over him and saying horrible and untrue things about him.
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Yes, like in the most recent video where they said Fr Martin only remains a priest so he can “wear dresses” (I’m assuming AKA liturgical garbs).

Voris didn’t say this. But he encouraged it will laughter. I recommend anyone watch for themselves.
 
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I haven’t read through a lot of the other posts, so I am just giving my two cents. Yes, CM does many times when reporting or discussing, whatever, sound more like they hate the Catholic church, rather than love it. I think it is just their tone and I really dislike that about them. If you do not subscribe to their premium channel, in the videos you will mostly only hear short angry sounding news but then that tends to be they way news people seem to sound today. There are some, who I will not name, that are a little more offensive than others on their staff.

If you subscribe to their premium channel, there are many videos and podcast tools that you will find the Catholic teaching they use to evangelize. ( I do not subscribe, a better place to go is The New St. Thomas Institute).

The truth is though, there is a crisis going on in the Church right now and they do point it out and they were one of the firsts to bring a lot of things to light and that has helped to clean up some things. Many people for a awhile, thought CM was making things up and lying but what they reported has all been turning up to be spot on.
 
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Except they’re really not.

The Pharisees placed unreasonable demands on followers, almost all of which were external signs of fidelity, and which had nothing to do with the internal quality of the person’s faith.

CM is calling for faithfulness to the Church’s teachings, and having our externals match our internals.

Stringency wasn’t what got he Pharisee’s in trouble, and while you might not like how they’re doing it, the main thing CM stresses is fidelity to Christ’s Church.

They aren’t pharisee’s, but they are sticklers. And they are very vocal about their calls for faithful reform. They also are willing to report things without concern about saving face. Whether that’s good or not is up to the individuals, but they reported abuse accusations long before they were proven true. If we’d listened to them, we might have been able to mitigate some of the damage.
 
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Sorry, my mistake. But yes, I see what Father Martin is trying to do. And honestly, the Church needs to do more of that. It can only serve to bring more people in communion with God
 
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