You can present it in a hateful way, yes. Like calling Fr Martin less than a man, someone who should just “come out of the closet,” and saying he’s only a priest to “wear dresses”.
I agree there are times I do not like their way or the way they say things but they have helped bring out a lot of problems happening in the Church. Sometimes we have to get angry. We don’t want to sin, of course, but we should be upset about what is happening to the One True Church. Our Lord is under attack in His Church and we need to be upset.
I fixed that. That was not my intent.
I have seen a number of tweets from Fr. Martin where he uses the political strategies from the DNC and from Rules for Radicals.
I sure don’t expect any one priest to call out every single instance of perceive anti-Catholic bias. They have more on their plate than that.
The opposite of being nice and friendly is being mean and unfriendly.
Look, I agree with you that CM goes about things the wrong way. However, I’m pointing out that others, like Fr. Martin, America Magazine, Commonweal, and ESP the National Catholic Reporter do the same thing.phil19034:
I sure don’t expect any one priest to call out every single instance of perceive anti-Catholic bias. They have more on their plate than that.
I recall the issue with Paul Ryan. I really cannot say one way or the other whether it was a legitimate criticism. Perhaps because of the Jesuit ties, Fr Martin felt it more personally. I really don’t know. But regardless, whatever faults Martin may have, I don’t think my problem with CM is especially relevant in his case. Maybe he and CM (or any Catholic person or group, for that matter) have similarly inappropriate methods. Maybe they also both use bad fonts and logos. But the issue I’m specifically bringing up is the lack of charity.
You wanna talk about condescending while defending CM? That’s rich.
I think this is the key phrase. It’s not about being nice and friendly, it’s about having the joy of christ.
Hmm, well. My only suggestion then would be to pray. When I first returned to the Catholic church I used to get very upset at people, when they would say things like, “the bishops don’t do this or the bishops don’t do that” or “this problem in the Church is due to bishops” doing whatever or the Pope doing whatever. After a while I guess I just came to realize that the Pope, the bishops and everyone in the Church are sinners, they make mistakes and the Church is going through a crisis right now and it is okay to point it out. We don’t want to bury our heads in the sand or turn a blind eye. We definitely want to stay respectful and obedient to the faith and our shepherds as they lead us, as long as we are being led in truth, but it’s okay to look at what is happening and realize there are problems. If these things that are happening did not come into the light, there could not be healing.
I’m with you Phil. Whether it’s ultra-modernists who want to ordain women, support abortion or euthanasia, or marry gays in the Church (like the examples you gave) or ultra-traditionalists who stand in judgment on the Pope or who are filled with bitterness and hate or demean VII (like LSN or CM), faithful Catholics should oppose them tooth and nail.