Does Donald Trump hate the poor?

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This thread is one of the most uncharitable threads I have read recently at CAF…
 
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Balto1 said:
Every attack, cut, or restriction placedmon social services hurts the poor. For example, allowing states to place work restrictions on Medicaid kills poor people.
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No it doesn’t. Reserving limited social services for the truly needy means there is more help for the truly needy. The able should work and contribute when the economy is strong.

I’m guessing you believe there is no benefits abuse?
 
When’s the last time TheHell, er I mean TheHill, did a hit piece on anyone left of center? (crickets)

Professional courtesy? Nah, they just pick anyone from Ronald Reagan to those who dare to disagree with their radical progressive leftist politics.
 
Theo520 said:
Reserving limited social services for the truly needy means there is more help for the truly needy.
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Had a hard time parsing this, but I think I finally got it. The main issue is that the amount of social services available is lower than the level of true need as it is today. There are truly needy persons who cannot get services now because there is not enough funding, so lowering funding can only exacerbate that problem. Now if you are talking about changing the criteria, well then you can define away almost anything and let people who are currently eligible (and actually need the assistance to survive) drop off the screen and just go on a permanent camping trip.
Theo520 said:
I’m guessing you believe there is no benefits abuse?
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Not anywhere near the level some would have us believe.
 
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PetraG said:
I don’t think he understands poverty very well or the reality about who the poor are or why.
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Standing ovation! This sums it up in a way I wish I’d said 🙂

Edit to add: It is not uncommon for those who have been born and raised in wealth to sincerely believe that people are poor because they do not work/try hard enough.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Standing ovation! This sums it up in a way I wish I’d said 🙂

Edit to add: It is not uncommon for those who have been born and raised in wealth to sincerely believe that people are poor because they do not work/try hard enough.
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Well, and the problem is that there are some people who do have trouble with their finances because they either don’t put in the effort or don’t know how to put in the effort or don’t know how to handle money once they make it. Having said that, it is pretty tempting for someone who was born on third base to think they hit a triple, as the saying goes, with no clue about how hard even a base hit can be for so many.

The plain and simple of it for me is that this country is paying minimum wage for a lot of work that needs to be done. I think it is disingenuous to blame people for struggling to keep food on the table after doing an honest day’s work because they aren’t competitive enough or whatever to get a “better job.” This question always goes unanswered: Exactly who is going to do the unglamorous “unskilled” work if everybody got competitive and would only take jobs that weren’t “dead end”?

Those people don’t have a union. They can’t go on strike for better working conditions. They need society as a whole to stand up and decide what is fair compensation for work that is necessary enough to pay someone to do it but doesn’t require a lot of training. That’s what the minimum wage is for. The question is where to set it and what kind of working hours are really fair to expect of people who do unskilled work. I think they deserve a reasonably secure life, frankly. Refusing to see that they’re paid enough to live so that other people can enjoy the higher “standard of living” they think a college graduate or an entrepreneur ought to have is the kind of thing Isaiah prophesied against.
 
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Minimum wage jobs were never intended to support a family. This is a consequence of a service based economy instead of a manufacturing based one. Who is trying to bring these jobs back from China? Pres Trump.
 
PetraG said:
Those people don’t have a union. They can’t go on strike for better working conditions. They need society as a whole to stand up and decide what is fair compensation for work that is necessary enough to pay someone to do it but doesn’t require a lot of training. That’s what the minimum wage is for. The question is where to set it and what kind of working hours are really fair to expect of people who do unskilled work. I think they deserve a reasonably secure life, frankly. Refusing to see that they’re paid enough to live so that other people can enjoy the higher “standard of living” they think a college graduate or an entrepreneur ought to have is the kind of thing Isaiah prophesied against.
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This is exactly what turning over the tables of the money changers is all about, turning over the prevalent mindset that willingly maintains the benefits accrued from a massive low paid workforce.
 
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buffalo said:
Minimum wage jobs were never intended to support a family. This is a consequence of a service based economy instead of a manufacturing based one. Who is trying to bring these jobs back from China? Pres Trump.
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Why should anybody working 40 or even 60 hours a week for 52 weeks a year not be paid enough to live? What exactly is the excuse for that?

Trump’s Administration proposed changing the federal poverty line. Was that because Donald Trump could live on less than that? I don’t think so, Tim. Do I think he hates the poor? No. Do I think he is utterly clueless about what it is like to try to live on that…and people do try to live on that, no matter what is “intended.”

What should be “intended” is to give those who labor a dignified wage for having put in an honest day’s work. It isn’t as if the rest of us would have to live hand-to-mouth to do it.
 
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PetraG said:
Why should anybody working 40 or even 60 hours a week for 52 weeks a year not be paid enough to live? What exactly is the excuse for that?
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I’m not an employer, but the “excuse” might be that the employee’s skill set is not worth it to the employer.

If that person doesn’t create a corresponding benefit to the employer such that the employer will want to hire that person, the employer won’t hire that person.
 
signit said:
I’m not an employer, but the “excuse” might be that the employee’s skill set is not worth it to the employer.

If that person doesn’t create a corresponding benefit to the employer such that the employer will want to hire that person, the employer won’t hire that person.
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Well, let them clean their own toilets and bus their own tables and wash their own dishes, and see how things go. If the work needs doing, though, the time of the people doing it is worth a dignified wage. To pay them as little as the employer can get by with just because the worker has no individual bargaining power is not the standard that ought to be held by those who claim to have a sense of decency, let alone a fear of God.
 
PetraG said:
pay them as little as the employer can get by with
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Granted that there are some who have that mindset, it is much more common, especially in specific areas like restaurants, that paying those wages and benefits makes the price that the business must charge to stay In operation too high for the consumer. This is especially the case at fast food (McDonalds, Burger King, et al) and casual dining (think IHOP, Applebee’s, Olive Garden, etc.). Even high end non-franchise restaurants have to watch the bottom line like hawks; at least they can pay somewhat better than most, but are less likely to hire someone just starting out in the industry with no track record or reputation.
 
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