Does God call people to be separate from Catholic Eucharist

[jcrichton]

You mean that it was Christ Who Taught St. Paul about Sacred Scriptures during his early childhood?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Actually not.

If it is a symbol, then simply gathering from whatever is around would suffice.

If it is the Actual Body and Blood, nothing that’s around, no matter how convenient or tantalizing cannot do.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Well, how many get knocked off a horse after persecuting the church?

…there was a horse?

Funny thing, I never read that part.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Excellent post!

This is my first exposure to this!

Thank you!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mcq72]

Where did Jesus state that those who left Him were actually not part of the Fold or not true Believers?

Where does it say they were “part of the fold”, or “true believers” ?

Again, those that took it literally “did not believe from the beginning”…that is before the discourse began. John 2 or 3 begins the concern for following with wrong heart…ending in John 6 because they were not called of the Father…yet they followed, believed, but not like those that remained (apostles).

 

[jcrichton]

I can’t believe that protestants and non-catholics would think that God sent His Son to die a horrible death, to institute a Church, establish her in uncorrupted Truth, if His Church was just going to become corrupt and look like any other work of man. That isn’t how the Holy Spirit guides into all truth.

Both reject the Holy Spirit’s Guidance and Instruction; non-Christians (both those who confess themselves atheists or some other form of “can’t believe” and those who claim to be in fellowship with God but reject Jesus’ Divinity) do not accept the Holy Spirit as God so they cannot conceive anything through the Holy Spirit and non-Catholic Christians (for the most part) do not believe that the Holy Spirit has Guided and Instructed the Church from Jesus’ Ascension till today–they simply rely on constructs where there has been some sort of “Church apostasy” where the “real” church was forced into sub/culture or underground to be liberated by Luther in the fifteen hundreds.

Hence, both end up rejecting the Body Christ Founded for similar reasons: self-governance and liberty (freedom to do as they will).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

When did that community dissolve?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[rcwitness]

Its from the Caravaggio painting. Come on, get some culture!

I dig saying horse too! Haha!

 

[jcrichton]

It will be easier to believe when one studies the Medici popes, and the actions of Leo X to use the proceeds from the “sale of indulgences” to build St. Peter’s Basilica

So you believe that Christ failed?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Are they also God ordained Churches?

So the Holy Spirit took the task to make other bodies of Christ?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Wow… so et is found in Scriptures?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Yeah, I’m quite pedestrian… but wait, isn’t that “extra-Biblical?”

I know it seems that I’m nitpicking but my point is to demonstrate how people can read into Scriptures what they’ve come to believe (preconception); as Jesus writing the sins/names when He was scribbling on the ground as He ignored the malice with which the “woman caught in the act of adultery” was being brought for His Judgment or some who believe that St. John was “the first” to “Believe” because he stood at the entrance of the tomb and after Cephas entered he too entered “and believed.”

So if we remove Church history we remove everything that took place for about 1500 years, making Luther and his followers the “deposit” of “faith” and “Truth.”

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[guanophore]

So when does this “blessing of the bread and wine” takes place as a daily Jewish prayer? Could you explain where the Jewish prayer has:

There is no evidence that this is what occurred in Emmaus.

St. Paul does not make the connection with a Jewish daily prayer, here’s what he states:

No, but you can be sure that St. Paul, as well as all those who joined him in ministry, prayed standard Jewish blessings over meals.

Clearly there’s a separation between everyday life’s food intake and the Lord’s Supper!

Of course! But what the disciples reported from their experience in Emmaus did not necessarily include the Eucharist. They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread, and this is the standard Jewish blessing for the breaking of the bread.

 

[guanophore]

You continue to exist outside of the Body.

I am not sure what you are meaning to say here, but the Catechism clearly states that those who are validly baptized are members of His One Body, the Church.

Again, those that took it literally “did not believe from the beginning”…that is before the discourse began. John 2 or 3 begins the concern for following with wrong heart…ending in John 6 because they were not called of the Father…yet they followed, believed, but not like those that remained (apostles).

On the contrary, those who did not believe from the beginning were unable to accept what He said literally, where those who placed their faith in HIm accepted what He said as “words of eternal life” even though they did not understand how they could be literally true. They may have had more understanding after Passover, but perhaps not until Pentecost.

I agree, though, those who are not following in the heart, and not willing to accept that which contradicts the senses, will eventually walk away from him.

In your opinion, are the Protestant ecclesial communities the structure of men? Are they also God ordained Churches?

Yes, they are structured by men, but they cannot be defined as “churches” as they lack the four marks of the Church passed on to us from the Apostles.

“Although the ecclesial communities separated from us [non-Catholic baptized
Christians] lack the fullness of unity with us which flows from baptism, and although
we believe they have not preserved the proper reality of the eucharistic mystery in
its fullness [their eucharist is not the body of Christ], especially because of the
absence of the sacrament of Orders, nevertheless when they commemorate the
Lord’s death and resurrection in the Holy Supper, they profess that it signifies life in
communion with Christ and await his coming in glory. For these reasons, the
doctrine about the Lord’s Supper, about the other sacraments, worship, and
ministry in the Church, should form subjects of dialogue.”
Decree on Ecumenism, no. 22

 

[mcq72]

So the Holy Spirit took the task to make other bodies of Christ?

Imagine that, man made bodies, man made churches, bearing fruit showing towards the unity and truth of Catholic Church.

And yes, one can not bear fruit unless they abide in the Vine, even the Holy
Spirit

 

[mcq72]

that remained (apostles).

On the contrary, those who did not believe from the beginning were unable to accept what He said literally

Sounds pretty much what I said…they understood (took) His words to be literal but did not accept them obviously.

where those who placed their faith in HIm accepted what He said as “words of eternal life” even though they did not understand how they could be literall

The text gives no indication of any literal understanding…but your Tradition gives you that.

 

[mcq72]

Yes, they are structured by men, but they cannot be defined as “churches” as they lack the four marks of the Church passed on to us from the Apostles.

So now a church is visibly structured by doctrine?

Although the ecclesial communities separated from us [n

So an ecclesial community is not a “church”?

Did the Greek word ecclessia have a a national connotation, as opposed to community/city/town?

I don’t know…sounds a bit self serving to say that some who disagree with you are then defined as not a “church”…yet sounds logical from your narrative, that there can only be one “church” (yours/Catholic), hence others can only be “communities”

Oh well, a rose is still a rose by any other name.

 

[mcq72]

Wow… so et is found in Scriptures?

Lol…yes, the Catholic Scriptures.

 

[Wannano]

When did that community dissolve?

Maran atha!

Angel

Sorry, I have no idea what you are referring to.

 

[mcq72]

The problem is disbelief; not “not recorded!”

Tell me what am i disbelieving…what does Sacred Tradition teach on the understanding of the text, that is infallibly decreed, to be believed. What exactly about the breaking of bread triggered sight to finally recognize the resurected Jesus?