So you keep insisting. This is contrary to Scripture and Church teaching.So basically the self is nothing but sinful desires. The self truly is evil.
Since nothing is guaranteed, even if you currently have it, your argument is built on a false premise and can be safely dismissed as untrue.How is giving up a good that is guaranteed (I already have it now) for a greater good that is not guaranteed (I don’t have it and there is no guarantee I’ll have it)?
Sounds like and is are two very different things in this case.This sounds like gambling.
If it was, why do I have to give it up if it is good?
Really? Where does he say this?So Jesus says to engage in unreality?
You said it yourself! QUOTE: “Self-denial means sacrificing our sinful desires.”So you keep insisting. This is contrary to Scripture and Church teaching.
Not so fast! If I currently have it, it is guaranteed.Since nothing is guaranteed, even if you currently have it, your argument is built on a false premise and can be safely dismissed as untrue.
How? Simply because you said so?Sounds like and is are two very different things in this case.
You said and I quote "To deny one’s self is to engage in unreality. "Really? Where does he say this?
Read what is said earlier in the chapter: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”So how do I do it?
How can I give of myself without the gamble?
I don’t know if God wants me, he won’t talk to me. Matthew 7:22-23 is scary!!!
It appears that you have chosen to purposely misinterpret what I wrote.You said it yourself! QUOTE: “Self-denial means sacrificing our sinful desires.”
You are making the self and sinful desires equivalent.
Not so fast! If I currently have it, it is guaranteed.
Ever hear the saying “Bird in the hand or two in the bush” - I’m not going for the two in the bush, it is gambling.
How? Simply because you said so?
You said and I quote "To deny one’s self is to engage in unreality. "
Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me
So you are saying that Jesus said not to engage in reality, per your own words.
And that’s what people in verse 22 were doing! And Jesus said “I don’t know you!” to them!Read what is said earlier in the chapter: “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” He wants for us to share in His love. In real life, day to day terms this boils down to treating each other well, with respect and patience.
The gamble is: Despite doing what is expected of me by God, when I die, he’ll say “I do not know you” and elevator down!I don’t understand what the gamble is.
Even that will be lost, if he says “I do not know you”All that remains is what we have given away.
BobCatholic,And that’s what people in verse 22 were doing! And Jesus said “I don’t know you!” to them!
The gamble is: Despite doing what is expected of me by God, when I die, he’ll say “I do not know you” and elevator down!
Even that will be lost, if he says “I do not know you”
I guess you don’t understand why that verse is scary to me.
Unfortunately, you don’t know me and have misjudged me. You don’t pretend to know what my problem is, but you pretend to know me.BobCatholic,
I don’t pretend to know what your problem is, but you come across as a very disgruntled, egotistical man. Lose your self to God. Let His will be done.
And how does one do that? Bob is stating he can be doing what he assumes is His will, only do learn at the end that he didn’t and be damned.BobCatholic,
I don’t pretend to know what your problem is, but you come across as a very disgruntled, egotistical man. Lose your self to God. Let His will be done.
muslims think that.And how does one do that? Bob is stating he can be doing what he assumes is His will, only do learn at the end that he didn’t and be damned.
It seems to me that he is fighting God’s will. He seems that he has no peace in his heart. Maybe I am wrong, but that is how he comes across.And how does one do that? Bob is stating he can be doing what he assumes is His will, only do learn at the end that he didn’t and be damned.
So please explain Matthew 7:22-23. Those weren’t Muslims.muslims think that.
How am I fighting God’s will?It seems to me that he is fighting God’s will. He seems that he has no peace in his heart. Maybe I am wrong, but that is how he comes across.
I guess you can always go to confession when you feel in doubt of being in sin. But you must be repentant.How am I fighting God’s will?
I read Matthew 7:22-23 and see people who did God’s will and were rejected anyway!
If I’m going to be rejected anyway, why do God’s will anyway? Why suffer? Why self-sacrifice?
What I’m looking for is what did they do to get rejected, that Jesus did not know them?
Instead of judging me harshly, why not actually read what I say?
OK, I do that. That’s not enough for Matthew 7:22-23.I guess you can always go to confession when you feel in doubt of being in sin. But you must be repentant.
Yes, I want to love God.1Corinthians13:1-13
So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Yes, I want to love God.
How?
John 14:21:John 14:15 said:"If you love me, you will** keep** my commandments.
He who has my commandments and** keep**s them, he it is who loves me;
By loving Him.I want to know God.
How?
How to avoid “I do not know you” in Matthew 7:22-23?
Then what did the people in Matthew 7:22-23 not do? Sounds like they did these things, Christ rejected them, and never knew them.John 14:15
"If you love me, you will keep my commandments.
John 14:21
He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me;
By loving Him.
That is just it. It only sounded like they we doing it. They were not actually doing what they were pretending to do. They were play acting, which is where the word hypocrite comes from…Then what did the people in Matthew 7:22-23 not do? Sounds like they did these things, Christ rejected them, and never knew them.