Does God violate our free will by making us die

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We have to try to stay prepared. We know not the hour or the date.
 
I think we should have that choice as it makes life less stressful, more comforting that even if we mess up we can without a doubt get another chance. Maybe God does not want this, maybe St Alphonsus Liguouri was right when he said that there is only a certain number of sins that God pardons.
 
oliver109 said:
I think we should have that choice as it makes life less stressful
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Really? You think that you’d be less stressed, knowing that you were gonna die in a day, or in a year, or in five years? That sounds infinitely more stressful!
 
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Death for the majority of us is not a choice, we are I think effectively made to die, effectively forced to have our soul removed from our bodies. I was having this conversation with my father the other day about how if someone dies after committing mortal sin and they go to hell they essentially did not choose to die in mortal sin as in reality they did not choose to die at all! my father was also puzzled and said that there are some things that are beyond human understanding, what do you say?
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No free will is not with regard to all things but with regard to cooperation or non-cooperation with grace given. Each moment is to be lived morally as though it was the last moment, for a person cannot presume salvation.

Catechism (presumption, a sin against hope)
2092 There are two kinds of presumption . Either man presumes upon his own capacities, (hoping to be able to save himself without help from on high), or he presumes upon God’s almighty power or his mercy (hoping to obtain his forgiveness without conversion and glory without merit).
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I would ask where in the Bible does it say that God cares about your free will? I thought we were the creature and he was the creator.
 
Why would God allow for Adam and Eve to fall if they didn’t have free will? If God didn’t care He could have stopped them.
 
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I would ask where in the Bible does it say that God cares about your free will? I thought we were the creature and he was the creator.
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I believe the standard Catholic answer would be that without free will, we cannot actually love God, and that God made us to love him (as well as to be loved by him).
 
oliver109 said:
What about a person who has just sinned and is suddenly…
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hit by a meteor?
drowned in a tsunami?
incinerated by a supernova?

Edge or extreme cases are not the way to argue general principles.
oliver109 said:
we should have the choice about the scheduling of our death
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I have no words to properly respond to this. At least none that would not risk a suspension.
 
oliver109 said:
What I am arguing for is the motion that we should have the choice about the scheduling of our death
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It’s called suicide, and it is VERY problematic. Not least because you have no idea what God’s full plan is for your life, regarding both your own salvation and the salvation of the whole world.
 
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what I would like to know is why God makes us die even if we are not ready? we should only die if we are ready to die otherwise we should never die.
 
oliver109 said:
what I would like to know is why God makes us die even if we are not ready? we should only die if we are ready to die otherwise we should never die.
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To encourage us to always be ready, and not put it off for weeks and months and years and decades like we would surely do otherwise. Keep death before you always.
 
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I still think that it is cruel for God to separate a soul from it’s body if it is in a state of sin and it’s only destination can be Hell, I feel extremely fortunate that it has not happened to me despite sinning a lot.
 
So people in a state of mortal sin should be allowed to live forever? Then why would they ever choose to repent, knowing that only then could they possibly die, and if they did not repent, they could go on living ad infinitum?
 
Better than going to Hell no? Hell just seems pointless in that it makes no one happy, the saint or the sinner.
 
So God should force people against their will to be in his presence? God should be a kidnaper?
 
No but he should not separate their souls when they are in a state of mortal sin if you get what I mean, does it do anyone any favours?
 
Maybe he knows they will never repent. Maybe he knows they will repent at the moment of death. He is God, after all.
 
oliver109 said:
No but he should not separate their souls when they are in a state of mortal sin i
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So by your logic only the good should die at all, much less young. Is that really where you want to go with this?
 
But they don’t know so why would they be devastated to know the real truth to know that all their chances to repent are behind them? would it not be better for God to keep them in the dark about that matter?
 
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