Does infused knowledge have to be confirmed through acquired knowledge?

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Does infused knowledge have to be confirmed through acquired knowledge?

There are people who are absolutely convinced of “truths” of things even though, in reality, they are wrong.

Could a kid, out of the blue, without ever researching American history, KNOW that George Washington was black…only to find out if he looked at a history book, he would be sorely mistaken?

Basically does infused knowledge automatically mean correct knowledge? Wouldn’t it still have to be put to the test by experimental knowledge?
 
WannabeSaint said:
Does infused knowledge have to be confirmed through acquired knowledge?

There are people who are absolutely convinced of “truths” of things even though, in reality, they are wrong.

Could a kid, out of the blue, without ever researching American history, KNOW that George Washington was black…only to find out if he looked at a history book, he would be sorely mistaken?

Basically does infused knowledge automatically mean correct knowledge? Wouldn’t it still have to be put to the test by experimental knowledge?
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Expound upon what you mean by “infused” knowledge?
 
WannabeSaint said:
Does infused knowledge have to be confirmed through acquired knowledge?

There are people who are absolutely convinced of “truths” of things even though, in reality, they are wrong.

Could a kid, out of the blue, without ever researching American history, KNOW that George Washington was black…only to find out if he looked at a history book, he would be sorely mistaken?

Basically does infused knowledge automatically mean correct knowledge? Wouldn’t it still have to be put to the test by experimental knowledge?
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Infused knowledge is a favor granted by God above and beyond the powers or capacities of the human nature.
 
Vico said:
Infused knowledge is a favor granted by God
above and beyond the powers or capacities
of the human nature.
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“Infused knowledge” is not an Eastern Orthodox term of which I am aware… Nor even a Christian one as far as I know… (Not all that far, I know…🙂 )

We had a very pious kid once who KNEW he could walk on water because he had non doubt whatsoever that he could… He discovered the frigidity of the waters off the dock into the ocean in Alaska… Discernment can come at a price, I say!

Prophetic Gifts are subject to the Prophets…

They do not normally come cheap…

geo
 
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Vico:
Infused knowledge is a favor granted by God above and beyond the powers or capacities of the human nature.
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Examples … ?
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For example wisdom, science, intuition, art, prudence, which are intellectual virtues. Virtue may be intellectual, moral, and theological.

Waldron, M.A. (1912). Virtue. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15472a.htm
 
George720 said:
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Vico:
Infused knowledge is a favor granted by God
above and beyond the powers or capacities
of the human nature.
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“Infused knowledge” is not an Eastern Orthodox term of which I am aware… Nor even a Christian one as far as I know… (Not all that far, I know…🙂 )

We had a very pious kid once who KNEW he could walk on water because he had non doubt whatsoever that he could… He discovered the frigidity of the waters off the dock into the ocean in Alaska… Discernment can come at a price, I say!

Prophetic Gifts are subject to the Prophets…

They do not normally come cheap…

geo
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Infused knowledge is a Christian term. See Summa Theologiae III:9 for Beatific, Infused, and Acquired.

Infused means filled. So for Adam and Christ we have the teaching that they were filled with knowledge.

Stichera of Cheesefare Sunday (excerpt)
My Creator and Lord formed me from the clay of hte earth; he has given me a soul by his life giving breath. He has made me the ruler of things visible on earth, and a companion to the angels.
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By definition, knowledge implies truth. No matter how certain I am that Washington was black, it is not knowledge.

Infused knowledge does not need confirmation, it us truth.

Or, think if it this way: why would God give someone infused knowledge that was false? God is not a liar.
 
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tafan2 said:
By definition, knowledge implies truth. No matter how I can to think, not how certain I am, that Washington was black, be it us not knowledge.

So infused knowledge does not need confirmation,bit us truth.

Or, think if it this way: why would God give someone infused knowledge that was false? God is not a liar.
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Not fully sure what you said. I think autocorrect got the better of this message 😉
 
tafan2 said:
Or, think if it this way: why would God give someone infused knowledge that was false? God is not a liar.
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Perhaps the original poster’s point would be better stated as how does one differentiate between infused knowledge and one’s own (possibly correct, possibly incorrect) musings. Off hand you’d think it would be clear when knowledge was coming from a divine source, but we hear people claim God told them all sorts of things that … are questionable.

That said, there’s an entire branch of philosophy, epistemology, devoted to knowledge, how we decide when we ‘know’ something vs believe it, etc. There’s no one answer on what knowledge is really. The one I usually go to is 'justified, true belief". Now that leaves a lot of wiggle room, but the concepts being justified, as in there’s an amount of evidence that’s reasonable and reliable to warrant a strong amount of certainty in the knowledge; and true, meaning the belief comports with reality to the degree it can be tested or demonstrated.
 
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Dan123 said:
Perhaps the original poster’s point would be better stated as how does one differentiate between infused knowledge and one’s own (possibly correct, possibly incorrect) musings. Off hand you’d think it would be clear when knowledge was coming from a divine source, but we hear people claim God told them all sorts of things that … are questionable.
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Basically.

For instance, I don’t recall an exact moment where I officially learnt some concepts. They seemed to have been with me for as long as I can remember. All I have is sense memory (Words; audio) but I can’t p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact moment I experienced those situations to conclude “this is ___”

How could I know if this is infused knowledge, or simply acquired knowledge accompanied by lost memories?
 
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I believed the typical meaning if infused knowledge is knowledge implanted in our mind directly by God. It was one of the preternatural gifts of humans before the fall.
 
People don’t have infused knowledge. All our knowledge is acquired through the senses. It is said that on rare occasions infused knowledge may be supernaturally granted to certain holy people, but the rest of us will never have it in our lifetimes.
 
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Typically the debate is over whether we have our universal concepts a priori or a posteriori (between those who think we have such concepts at all). Why this fascination with the fact that you can’t remember the first few years of your life or the moment you may have learned every specific concept?
 
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Vico said:
For example wisdom, science, intuition, art, prudence, which are intellectual virtues. Virtue may be intellectual, moral, and theological.
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I disagree…

The potential is there for - via Faith and/or Reason - to develop them…

wisdom? Fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom

science? what’s that? Homo Sap’s desire to Know Everthing…

art? what’s that? drawing stick figures on a wall for the actual purpose of teaching hunting?

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BartholomewB said:
People don’t have infused knowledge. All our knowledge is acquired through the senses. It is said that on rare occasions infused knowledge may be supernaturally granted to certain holy people, but the rest of us will never have it in our lifetimes.
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Philosophic epistemology but foreshadows knowledge as being and Truth as Person…
And Life Eternal as Knowing the One True God…
All well beyond anthrophic correspondence of subject and object…
And endlessness of existence…

geo
 
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