Does Islam worship the same God?

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For me, the biggest problem with the Islamic faith is that it does not build upon Jesus’ teaching but it works to tear them down.
Throughout salvation history we see God building new upon the old. Finally, Christianity was the fufillment of the Jewish faith. Jesus revealed the Trinity and God as our father, Jesus is the eternal Son and from each proceeeds the Holy Spirit. We receive a spirit that cries “Abba”.
Islam is opposed to this revealed faith. The belief in the Trinity is rejected which automatically excludes Jesus as being God the Son. God is a solitude and no longer is God called Father. Also, we are no longer sons but we are dragged back to a Master-Slave relationship and suddenly, God becomes a harsh being.
A few bible verses come to mind:

First - The fact that Jesus is God cannot be denied.
1 John 2:20-23
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But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Second - We are family and friends of God.
John 15:12-17
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13
Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17 This I command you, to love one another.
**That was long time ago. The Father son business worked for some time. But that is not the best relation. In Arabic father is called Abb. The father/son relation was used to make people understand few things. But it was not only Jesus, the son. Jesus himself said about others that they were the sons of God. That was symbolic, metaphoric only. That was not a real relation.

Now according to the latest and last testament (The Quran) there is no more Abb… Now we have the God as Rabb, the creator and cherisher (Lord) of all things. That Rabb has more than love for the creation. So please forget the Trinity. It could not be proved anyhow. People played with it and tried to unravel the mystery of Trinity. Quite a few, sons of the Catholic priests have left the christian faith just because they could not comprehend Trinity. Nobody could convince them. They were told that it cannot be proved. They just have to believe it. So they left the church line for good.**
 
Salaam/peace
As King of the World he has power to judge and give mercy for sins, if you repent.

This is how Jesus ultimately saves,
Jesus (p) told u he does not know when will be the last day.

so how come he will judge or save me or u on that day ?

Only God has knowledge about the last day & God alone will judge us including Jesus (p) .

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the sin of Adam caused us all death.
God died because of Adam’s (p) sin ?

Why mother of God died ? Her son’s death did not make her sinless or was not she already sinless ?
 
The apparatus is defective because Mohammed did not continue the work of Christ. No TRUE prophet of God could denounce Christ as the Son of God. Both Mohammed and Jesus cannot both be true. You choose. It sounds harsh but it is true.

Also, Islam is totally different from the Jewish faith because the Jewish faith was within the ongoing work of God in revealing Himself to His people. Christianity was a fulfillment of a prior work and religion established by God. The move to Christianity was a deeper understanding of the Jewish faith. Islam is no such thing. We cannot call Islam the fulfillment of Christianity. On the contrary, it seeks to totally undo and destroy Christianity by denying the divinity of Jesus. This makes it anti-Christ.

While Islam may point to the God of Abraham, a wedge was driven into their teaching that will forever keep the two apart. One or the other would have to give up their deeply held beliefs. I suppose that this is a work that only God could accomplish
**You are right. Islam and christianity are different as far as more than one god is with church. But at the same time they say God is only one. Quite complicated matters. Then there is Trinity. Don’t you think that church is trapped (sandwiched) between two faiths i.e. Judaism and Islam. Your Trinity is not found any where in Judaism and not found in Islam.

Further, you have no law. Church has said good bye to the law calling it a curse. that was another way of abusing the law. But what does it matter when the church is ready to accept that Jesus was also cuirsed. We Muslims do not like to say that Jesus was cursed person. How can the God of the christians be cursed? Cannot understand that.

I wish the church understood the meaning of the word “Cursed”. I am sure the christians are not ready to understand anything of the true religion. Rather they are trying hard to hide the truth about God and the prophets.**
 
Salaam/peace
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I wish the church understood the meaning of the word “Cursed”. …**

“Son of Who?” by Shaikh Yusuf Estes

Matthew 7:21

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven…
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

Some leaders claimed, “This probably refers to the Mormons or somebody else. Don’t worry about it.”

institutealislam.com/son-of-who-by-shaikh-yusuf-estes/
 
** It is enough for us to hear from the christians that god could die too. That is bad enough. We cannot understand why god should die? If he had died once then he could die again too. And he went to hell too for three days. It is funny things that have been taught to the christians. And they want that world should believe them. That is not possible.

We Muslims do not believe that God will ever die. WE don’t believe that Jesus died on the cross. He was a simple man only. He suffered heavily and fainted. He appeared to be dead. That is all. So no death and no resurrection, which is called “he got up” or "
He was risen". Such special words as “Risen” are used to teach us that Jesus came back from the dead.

How that is possible. Risen means rising from the laid down position. Please understand. Thanks.**
 
Salaam/peace

Jesus (p) told u he does not know when will be the last day.

so how come he will judge or save me or u on that day ?

Only God has knowledge about the last day & God alone will judge us including Jesus (p) .
God tells him when the day is. Even Mohammed was given the power to judge and to kill men for their sins, or to show mercy, yet you think Jesus doesn’t have it even though he is Messiah, which means the King of the World from David. How come?

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God died because of Adam’s (p) sin ?
Why mother of God died ? Her son’s death did not make her sinless or was not she already sinless ?
I reject that Jesus was born a deity. In my view Jesus and Mary died same as everyone due to Adam’s curse of original sin. And Jesus only has the power of God because God gave it to him, like God gave Moses.

So you have to ask Trinitarians that question.
 
If you look up about how the q’uran instructs followers of Mohammad to behead Jews and Christians, I still find it hard to see they worship the same God. I’m still trying to study that on my own but I’m still more inclined to say the do not.
Scripture Catholic has a great page on this; Islam - A Religion of Peace?
** Please understand that Islam does not teach killing of any innocent person. Never. Definitely not killing of Jews or christians. They are our brethren and we love them all.

But if you read the Quran then be careful. There is a loose translation of the word Kafir as non-believers. Please understand that Islam allows the killing of the non-peaceful enemy type opponents of our religion.

But Islam doe snot harm any peaceful disbeliever. Let every one remain on their own faith. No harm. If they are completely peaceful, there is no harm to any one.**
 
You are uninformed about Islam. Islam teaches highest moral to speak the truth even before a tyrant king. Perhaps church does not teach such good things. Before accusing the Real God of such bad things you and D i L should have produced something from the Quran that God teaches to tell lies.

It was a big blame that you have put on The God. It means you have done some dirty thing.
planten, why do you deny the doctrine of Taqiyya? Christians cannot lie as its a great sin to lie. If lying was taught by the Church, many Christians would have been spared martyrdom.
Your false accusation is another example of how Muslims employ Taqiyya to divert questions.

“Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion*, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.” - Qur’an 16:106**

"[Yusuf Ali 3:28] Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah."

The only “dirty” thing i have done here is expose the truth about Islam. You do the cleaning.
 
planten;:
Islam teaches highest moral to speak the truth even before a tyrant king.
That is the case only if truth means “That which is in direct contradiction to what objective reality, and documented history has demonstrated.”

xan

jonathon
 
** Please understand that Islam does not teach killing of any innocent person. Never. Definitely not killing of Jews or christians. They are our brethren and we love them all.**
Sure. Definitely. Muslims love Jews and Christians. The Religion of Peace is ever so loving and caring for the Kafir.
But if you read the Quran then be careful. There is a loose translation of the word Kafir as non-believers. Please understand that Islam allows the killing of the non-peaceful enemy type opponents of our religion.
Yes, we know. Islam loves to kill…oops! I mean Islam loves to slaughther…oops! I mean Islam loves to decapitate…oops! Is there a better substitute for “kill”? And also “Islam”?
But Islam doe snot harm any peaceful disbeliever. Let every one remain on their own faith. No harm. If they are completely peaceful, there is no harm to any one.
Indeed. You guys only impose tax on those who do not believe in Mohammad’s religion. No harm done.
 
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I believe that the God is one only. He is the God of all Jews and Christians and Muslims and Budhists and Hindus. But each one has a different understanding of God.

Previously, I was the supporter that our God is the same that of the christians. But the christians did not agree. But now after seeing the discussion in another thread about Jesus being everything, that is the son and the Father and the husband of Mary too, I am confused and I say that Muslims do not worship the same God as the christians.

But it is quite possible that the Muslims have the same God as that of the Jews. Welcome.**
 
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I believe that the God is one only. He is the God of all Jews and Christians and Muslims and Budhists and Hindus. But each one has a different understanding of God.

Previously, I was the supporter that our God is the same that of the christians. But the christians did not agree. But now after seeing the discussion in another thread about Jesus being everything, that is the son and the Father and the husband of Mary too, I am confused and I say that Muslims do not worship the same God as the christians.

But it is quite possible that the Muslims have the same God as that of the Jews. Welcome.**
Jesus is the husband of Mary? Seriously, what are you on?
We NEVER said Jesus was Mary’s husband, for goodness sake, he is her son!!!
We Christians believe in the ONE God, but after numerous times of trying to explain this concept to you, you obviously will never understand.
 
If you are confused, you are confused by the contradictions between what Islam tells you that Christians believe and what Christians themselves are telling you here and elswhere that they believe. You are choosing to believe Islam over the words of the faithful, so any confusion is yours alone, not the fault or the property of the Christians.

NO Christian here (or to my knowledge, anywhere, ever) has claimed that Jesus is the husband of Mary. That is insane. It is incredibly unorthodox. It is heresy.

Also, it should be pointed out that I, Jharek Carnelian, and others in this very thread have stated that we beleive that the Muslims also worship the one true God, because there is after all only One. This is not just the beliefs of a few here on this forum, either; it is the official teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, as well.

I personally do not care whether or not you believe Christians worship the same God as you do, but if you are going to claim that we somehow worship a false God, or that we worship the true God incorrectly (as is the Church’s, and my, position on Muslims), then you would benefit from honestly trying to understand what it is that Christians actually believe and how we actually worship God. So far, you have not done that.
 
“There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved.” Acts 4:12 Here, Peter is speaking about Jesus (for those of you who didn’t know).

“For this reason the Jews tried all the more to kill [Jesus], because he also called God his own father, making himself equal to God.” John 5:18

“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.” John 3:16

Let’s face it: the Quran is a piece of rubbish, and Muhammad was a charlatan.

Any questions? Good.
 
**That was long time ago. The Father son business worked for some time. But that is not the best relation. In Arabic father is called Abb. The father/son relation was used to make people understand few things. But it was not only Jesus, the son. Jesus himself said about others that they were the sons of God. That was symbolic, metaphoric only. That was not a real relation.

Now according to the latest and last testament (The Quran) there is no more Abb… Now we have the God as Rabb, the creator and cherisher (Lord) of all things. That Rabb has more than love for the creation. So please forget the Trinity. It could not be proved anyhow. People played with it and tried to unravel the mystery of Trinity. Quite a few, sons of the Catholic priests have left the christian faith just because they could not comprehend Trinity. Nobody could convince them. They were told that it cannot be proved. They just have to believe it. So they left the church line for good.**
A metaphor - not even close. First off, Jesus did not include us in the same type of relationship he has with His Father. He constantly used the words “My Father” when he referred to himself and he used the words “Your Father” when he was speaking to us. When he was teaching us to pray, he used the words “Our Father” but that was for us not him. Also, Jesus is always called THE Son of God, NOT A Son of God. This was purposely done because he is the only Eternal Son of God.

Please explain how the following are metaphors:
1 John 2:20-23
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But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know. 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.
Matthew 16:13-20
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Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

John 20:24-31
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Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, and place my finger in the mark of the nails, and place my hand in his side, I will not believe.”
26 Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” **29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”
30 **Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.
 
so if we prove to you from the Bible that God has Wisdom and Holy Spirit, will you agree it is in the Bible but you will shout it is corruption because Allah has neither Wisdom nor Spirit right?
inJESUS, God has wisdom no doubt. At the core of your belief is the concept of trinity that is incomprehensible to the human mind, it breaks all logic and reason yet you take a leap of faith and believe in it without really understanding it. That is what I meant by faith in the heart but not so much reason and logic.

my question is if you can’t understand it then how do you know it is true. This is an especially important question because the trinity is at the core of your christian beliefs, can you even be a christian if you don’t believe in trinity?
 
How is it that the Trinity must be incomprehensible to the human mind just because you don’t understand it? The Biblical support for it has been given, and even those of you who do not believe it admit that it has also been further adopted by the early Christian theologians on that Biblical basis. Clearly it is understandable by human beings, and logically based, in so far as it has been based on the logic and reasoning of the greatest Christian philosophers. You are free to disagree with that logic as much as you’d like, but to say that it is absolutely unreasonable only shows how little you are willing to consider the writings of Tertullian, St. Athanasius, and all the others who have crystalized and expounded upon this concept. This speaks poorly of you and your philosophical rigor. It does not make the Trinitarian doctrine completely unknowable. When Christians admit that any given topic is considered a “mystery”, it is not in the sense of the everyday use of the word, but rather an acceptance that not every aspect of Christianity can be known, because we cannot know God completely in this life.

And, yes, there are “non-trinitarian Christians”, but they are an extremely small minority of world Christianity, and considered heretical by all of the major Christian sects, both Orthodox/Catholic and Protestant, in some cases to the point of not being considered Christian at all (eg Mormonism, Christian Scientist).
 
inJESUS, it breaks all logic and reason yet you take a leap of faith and believe in it without really understanding it. That is what I meant by faith in the heart but not so much reason and logic.
Faith can never contradict reason. Truth can never contradict truth, only a falsehood can contradict truth.
 
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