Does the bible have any Infant Baptism passage?

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ahimsaman72:
My reason in making that statement was that you can’t specifically confine the expectation to any age - especially one that God Himself expects out of us. That’s my point.

I would agree that in the protestant mind, a 2 year old isn’t capable of reasoning well enough to accept/reject Christ. Their minds haven’t matured enough yet. But, to pick a certain age is kind of like saying that all 16 year olds drive well enough to be on the roads with us older and more mature folks! 🙂

Friend, this shouldn’t be about who has what - “we have something you don’t” is a rather childish me vs. you philosophy which I don’t adhere to. We both look to Christ as the Author and Finisher of our Faith and for that reason I can call you sister.

God bless…
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The thing with Catholicism is we don’t confine baptisim to one age, a person of any age can be bapised… On the other hand we do believe the sooner the better…

Christ is what we have in common, and in that I also admit there are things you look at differently than me. We, Catholics, do have something in our baptism that you don’t. I really am not trying to be childish, it is the truth… Especially when Protestants look at baptisim as being symbolic… You and I are related in Christ, and that is one thing that makes our Lord so wonderful. God bless… 🙂
 
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SPOKENWORD:
My first baptism was at the age of 3months.I was rebaptised at the age of 52 by my free will. I wanted to experience what Jesus experienced during His baptism. It was a humbling experience that I could not find words possible to explain my emotions.I wish my catholic brothers and sisters could experience
what I did on that day.I know that is not possibile as a catholic and I know its not about feelings but this to me was real. All I know is that there is a Holy Spirit. 😃 God Bless.
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Was your second baptism symbolic?
 
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ahimsaman72:
I know it wasn’t intended for me, but I had to answer my own opinion here - if it was me and I doubted my baptism as an infant, I would be baptized as an adult as an affirmation of my commitment to follow Jesus Christ. He was baptized in water, and so would I like to be.
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We have Confirmation…
 
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MariaG:
Hi Spokenword:wave:

Okay, I’ll accept your answer as not being in error, but not necessary when it comes to baptizing infants. But what about the regenerative nature of Baptism. You said you think it is only a symbol. The Early Church taught otherwise. Did the Early Church teach falsehood about the regenerative nature of Baptism?

Also, would you see it necessary for an adult, who was baptized as an infant to be baptized again?

Your sister in Christ,
Maria
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Didn’t Paul say that baptism was to replace circumcition?
 
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AmyS:
The thing with Catholicism is we don’t confine baptisim to one age, a person of any age can be bapised… On the other hand we do believe the sooner the better…

Christ is what we have in common, and in that I also admit there are things you look at differently than me. We, Catholics, do have something in our baptism that you don’t. I really am not trying to be childish, it is the truth… Especially when Protestants look at baptisim as being symbolic… You and I are related in Christ, and that is one thing that makes our Lord so wonderful. God bless… 🙂
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The reason why we remain separated is because of the belief some groups have something that other groups do not. I remember Jimmy Swaggart saying that if you didn’t speak in tongues, that you weren’t “saved”. These ideas and beliefs are divisive. You believe them to be true - infallibly. And it is this belief which separates.

We must be careful about these ideas - these beliefs. I can appreciate your response and conviction - however must still consider it to be a presumptive statement not based on fact. Christ transcends these notions of have and don’t have. He is not confined to this belief or that belief. In that we must disagree.

God bless…
 
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AmyS:
We have Confirmation…
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We do not have that sacrament in the Baptist faith. It seems redundant given that our parents vow at dedication ceremonies to instruct their child in the Christian faith and attend Sunday School from preschool age and onward being taught the Christian faith. There is alot of learning that takes place in the lives of our children. It is ongoing and not one moment in time.

I think most Catholics on this board would agree that protestants are much more zealous in their training of children compared to the Catholic faith. I have heard them say so.
 
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ahimsaman72:
The reason why we remain separated is because of the belief some groups have something that other groups do not. I remember Jimmy Swaggart saying that if you didn’t speak in tongues, that you weren’t “saved”. These ideas and beliefs are divisive. You believe them to be true - infallibly. And it is this belief which separates.

We must be careful about these ideas - these beliefs. I can appreciate your response and conviction - however must still consider it to be a presumptive statement not based on fact. Christ transcends these notions of have and don’t have. He is not confined to this belief or that belief. In that we must disagree.

God bless…
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I am trying to be charitable I hope you understand… I try not to always look at you vs us thing. The truth is in the Catholic Church, we have the fullness of Christ. This is based on fact, all you need to do is look at history. I think it was Maria who brought up the Early Church it’s teaching are consistent with the Catholic faith. Now am I wrong in understanding the Protestants believe that baptism is merely symbolic? Also, do Protestant religons still dedicate their children?
 
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SPOKENWORD:
To me water Baptism is symbolic of washing our sins away[repentence].Water is not what saves us . Its the blood of Jesus Christ that saves us. For you to deny that we are not saved by his blood is to deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There are many examples in scripture that shows people recieved the Holy Spirit [Baptism of the Holy Spirit]before they were baptised by water.There are also examples of people who were baptised by water[Johns Baptism] but hadnt recieved Baptism of the Holy Spirit. God bless.
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No one deies that the blood of Christ cleanses us, BUT the fact is that baptism IS necessary for salvation…and the Bible says so…undeniably. There is symbolism in baptism, but there is also FAR more than JUST that. "To me water Baptism is symbolic of washing our sins away[repentence]." (your words) Spoken, repentance is only one part of what Jesus COMMANDED of us.
As for your “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” (the use of which term pegs you as a pentecostal…) I feel that that is a concept that is blown WAY outta proportion to its place in the NT. The greatest gift of the Holy Spirit is LOVE. Gimme that! I can easily live my entire spiritual life w/o tongues, but w/o love I won’t even get into the Kingdon of Heaven…& no one will ever believe I’m a follower of Jesus w/o it.

HOWEVER…this is off topic…subject for the creation of another thread.

I still say that the Catholic Church has the best concepts of baptism of all Christianity, & the one most like the NT church.
 
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ahimsaman72:
We do not have that sacrament in the Baptist faith. It seems redundant given that our parents vow at dedication ceremonies to instruct their child in the Christian faith and attend Sunday School from preschool age and onward being taught the Christian faith. There is alot of learning that takes place in the lives of our children. It is ongoing and not one moment in time.

I think most Catholics on this board would agree that protestants are much more zealous in their training of children compared to the Catholic faith. I have heard them say so.
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Cofirmation is a affirmation of our faith, along with other things, it is completely different than baptisim…

We have ongoing education and Sacraments… in between baptisim and confirmation is our first communion and reconcilation… My daughter has religous education everyweek along with what I teach her myself… Education of our children is very important to the Catholic Curch. I can say that not all Catholics are good at this, but, I am sure you would agree that not all baptist are either.
 
Church Militant:
No one deies that the blood of Christ cleanses us, BUT the fact is that baptism IS necessary for salvation…and the Bible says so…undeniably. There is symbolism in baptism, but there is also FAR more than JUST that. "To me water Baptism is symbolic of washing our sins away[repentence]." (your words) Spoken, repentance is only one part of what Jesus COMMANDED of us.
As for your “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” (the use of which term pegs you as a pentecostal…) I feel that that is a concept that is blown WAY outta proportion to its place in the NT. The greatest gift of the Holy Spirit is LOVE. Gimme that! I can easily live my entire spiritual life w/o tongues, but w/o love I won’t even get into the Kingdon of Heaven…& no one will ever believe I’m a follower of Jesus w/o it.

HOWEVER…this is off topic…subject for the creation of another thread.

I still say that the Catholic Church has the best concepts of baptism of all Christianity, & the one most like the NT church.
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Hi C.M. You have learned well. Yes ,Love is the greatest Gift,for God is Love. 👍 Yes repentance is only part ,the other part is recieving Gods Spirit and living by His Spirit, by putting into action. God Bless.
 
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AmyS:
I am trying to be charitable I hope you understand… I try not to always look at you vs us thing. The truth is in the Catholic Church, we have the fullness of Christ. This is based on fact, all you need to do is look at history. I think it was Maria who brought up the Early Church it’s teaching are consistent with the Catholic faith. Now am I wrong in understanding the Protestants believe that baptism is merely symbolic? Also, do Protestant religons still dedicate their children?
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I had to laugh to myself when I say your “protestant religions” phrase. Sorry, I don’t see any protestant religions around. There are differences in our Christian faith - differences from your Christian faith. But, they are the same faiths - born out of the love and respect for the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t intend to be mean, but this reinforces the “us vs. them” philosophy I spoke of earlier.

To answer your question, yes, of course, in the Baptist faith we hav always had baby dedications. I dedicated all three of my children when they were under 2 years old. You will probably find it amusing - but they were each given a New Testament at that dedication ceremony. They are brought up in that kind of environment.
 
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ahimsaman72:
I had to laugh to myself when I say your “protestant religions” phrase. Sorry, I don’t see any protestant religions around. There are differences in our Christian faith - differences from your Christian faith. But, they are the same faiths - born out of the love and respect for the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t intend to be mean, but this reinforces the “us vs. them” philosophy I spoke of earlier.

To answer your question, yes, of course, in the Baptist faith we hav always had baby dedications. I dedicated all three of my children when they were under 2 years old. You will probably find it amusing - but they were each given a New Testament at that dedication ceremony. They are brought up in that kind of environment.
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Praise God,Your children must be very gifted reading the bible at the age of two.I bet thats why they know the Word of God well. Are they quoting scripture? Maybe catholics can learn from these examples? 😃 God Bless.
 
Hi all,

Has anyone ever noticed that Jesus said to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, but in the book of Acts we read that people were baptized in or into the Name of the Lord Jesus? And yet, there is no explanation given anywhere else in the New Testament about this difference. Let’s see, where would we go to find out why? Or are we just left to figure it out for ourselves?

And once we figure that out, which is the proper way to baptize: by immersion; by pouring water; or by sprinkling water. A case can be made for each of these modes in the New Testament Scriptures. Yet it is not spelled out clearly.

And if we baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, do we immerse/pour/sprinkle just once or three times, once for each member of the Trinity? Why isn’t this spelled out clearly?

I believe its not spelled out clearly because information such as this was passed down orally and we do have records of the tradition for baptism in the extra-canonical writings (Didache) and the Fathers.

Blessings,
Gene C.
 
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ahimsaman72:
I had to laugh to myself when I say your “protestant religions” phrase. Sorry, I don’t see any protestant religions around. There are differences in our Christian faith - differences from your Christian faith. But, they are the same faiths - born out of the love and respect for the Lord Jesus Christ. I don’t intend to be mean, but this reinforces the “us vs. them” philosophy I spoke of earlier.

To answer your question, yes, of course, in the Baptist faith we hav always had baby dedications. I dedicated all three of my children when they were under 2 years old. You will probably find it amusing - but they were each given a New Testament at that dedication ceremony. They are brought up in that kind of environment.
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Please excuse any thing I said that made you laugh… I didn’t mean anything offensive, I am not an english major (plus I have a headache)… It was symantics to me, I am sorry. I have gone to youth groups in denomintations (is that better) they taught how they where different then Catholics. I always found that curious that they would teach that instead of teaching their beliefes.

As for your second paragraph… When you made the comment about Confirmation, it would be like me now saying to you… your dedication and baptism seems redundant… You see I understand that those are two different things for you, not redundant. And, I think it is beautiful that you gave each of your children New Testaments, and that you bring them up in that enviroment… Although, you might find it amusing that my daughter got a bible, rosary, and a beautiful crucifixs at her baptisim… I don’t understand your point in saying that… :confused:
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Praise God,Your children must be very gifted reading the bible at the age of two.I bet thats why they know the Word of God well. Are they quoting scripture? Maybe catholics can learn from these examples? 😃 God Bless.
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:clapping: Yes, of course they can!!! :rotfl:

We bought my oldest daughter a complete protestant Bible when she was about 5 and one day (she was 6 by then) while my wife was driving her around, my daughter was reading that Bible (KJV, mind you) and started talking about God and asking my wife questions about what she read. She understood quite well what she was reading.

I have actually begun to train my oldest (she’s now 7) in the Lord’s Prayer and Apostles Creed and will begin the Ten Commandments shortly. We have prayed every night together since she was about 4. I also pray every night with my other daughter who is 4.

They can understand and take in a lot even at a young age. I promised to teach them the Christian faith and I will continue to do so. That’s what dedication is all about. It’s a commitment - a proclamation that demands action on the parents part.

Peace…
 
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AmyS:
Please excuse any thing I said that made you laugh… I didn’t mean anything offensive, I am not an english major (plus I have a headache)… It was symantics to me, I am sorry. I have gone to youth groups in denomintations (is that better) they taught how they where different then Catholics. I always found that curious that they would teach that instead of teaching their beliefes.

As for your second paragraph… When you made the comment about Confirmation, it would be like me now saying to you… your dedication and baptism seems redundant… You see I understand that those are two different things for you, not redundant. And, I think it is beautiful that you gave each of your children New Testaments, and that you bring them up in that enviroment… Although, you might find it amusing that my daughter got a bible, rosary, and a beautiful crucifixs at her baptisim… I don’t understand your point in saying that… :confused:
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Amy ,you forgot the candles,and the white robe. 😃 God Bless.
 
ahimsaman72 said:
:clapping: Yes, of course they can!!!

We bought my oldest daughter a complete protestant Bible when she was about 5 and one day (she was 6 by then) while my wife was driving her around, my daughter was reading that Bible (KJV, mind you) and starting talking about God and asking my wife questions about what she read. She understood quite well what she was reading… . . .

They can understand and take in a lot even at a young age. I promised to teach them the Christian faith and I will continue to do so. That’s what dedication is all about. It’s a commitment - a proclamation that demands action on the parents part.
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Amen, Brother! Praise the Lord!

When I tell my Catholic friends (I’m a Convert) that I received my very own Morocco-leather bound, gilt-edged, India paper, red-letter edition of the King James Bible at the age of 8 and that I memorized large chunks of it (for no reason other than that I WANTED to), and that I slept with it, they don’t believe me.
Understand it? Well. Not exactly UNDERSTAND. But I understood enough for an 8-year-old. For Pete’s sake. What would you rather a kid “not understand” – the Bible, or Sex and the City? Pick one.
 
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AmyS:
Please excuse any thing I said that made you laugh… I didn’t mean anything offensive, I am not an english major (plus I have a headache)… It was symantics to me, I am sorry. I have gone to youth groups in denomintations (is that better) they taught how they where different then Catholics. I always found that curious that they would teach that instead of teaching their beliefes.

As for your second paragraph… When you made the comment about Confirmation, it would be like me now saying to you… your dedication and baptism seems redundant… You see I understand that those are two different things for you, not redundant. And, I think it is beautiful that you gave each of your children New Testaments, and that you bring them up in that enviroment… Although, you might find it amusing that my daughter got a bible, rosary, and a beautiful crucifixs at her baptisim… I don’t understand your point in saying that… :confused:
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I’m sorry, dear friend. I didn’t mean to sound harsh with you. I was not offended at all. Yes, the rosary and crucifixes were missing from my daughters dedication. 🙂 We do not venerate Mary at all in the Baptist faith. I was just pointing out our ceremony. I’m actually surprised to hear that children are given Bibles at their baptism. That is comforting. I mean no harm to you at all.

Blessings to you and your family…
 
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mercygate:
Amen, Brother! Praise the Lord!

When I tell my Catholic friends (I’m a Convert) that I received my very own Morocco-leather bound, gilt-edged, India paper, red-letter edition of the King James Bible at the age of 8 and that I memorized large chunks of it (for no reason other than that I WANTED to), and that I slept with it, they don’t believe me.
Understand it? Well. Not exactly UNDERSTAND. But I understood enough for an 8-year-old. For Pete’s sake. What would you rather a kid “not understand” – the Bible, or Sex and the City? Pick one.
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:dancing: Oh my dear sister - you did make me smile and laugh.

It’s funny that you mention sleeping with the Bible. As a kid and teenager, I slept with mine and my daughter has been caught sleeping with hers!! hahaha.

Oh, dear. You see, we have something in common. We both slept with Bibles as children. How funny is that!

I was asking my parents about passages in Revelation at a very young age. They didn’t know how to answer a lot of times. I was always the pesky kid asking crazy questions.

God bless you…
 
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