Does your church use Communion patens?

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I’m having trouble understanding how a paten in the OF with CITH isn’t in fact increasing the risk of an accident. Back in the day, the priest gave the Host to a kneeling communicant who wasn’t in motion and he was coming in “from above,” with the paten below the chin. Today, the communicant is in motion, is standing, the Host is coming in at about the same height as their mouth, the communicant’s hands are in motion, the priest’s hands are in motion, and the server’s hands are in motion with the paten. It clearly works for some, but a paten at the OF with a standing communicant and CITH seems like a hazard all its own. Just trying to understand.
😃 I was almost decapitated by a server using a paten with a long handle! I went to a Mass that was being said by my Bishop and he uses the seminarians. They use the short handled ones. I complimented the particular seminarian after Mass for being rather stealth in his duties. I did relate the near beheading and he had a good chuckle. Seems he had come across a kid doing the same thing at one time.
 
At my Parish, never.
Which leads to the question: Could it be that the Patens are removed to Discourage Communion on the Tongue???
Just curious.
and while we are at it, here is a little tidbit from a diocesan paper in Australia:
"Receiving communion on the tongue when the majority receive in the hand disrupts the unity that uniformity of posture and practice at Communion symbolises and builds. It is awkward for ministers to give communion on the tongue to people who are standing, which is the recommended posture for communion in Australia, and it is unhygienic because it is difficult for ministers to avoid passing saliva on to other communicants.

Historical accounts make it quite clear that communion was received in the hand in the early Church. In the middle of the fourth century Bishop Cyril of Jerusalem gave this instruction to those who were about to join the church: “When you come forward for communion, do not draw near with your hands wide open or with fingers spread apart; instead, with you left hand make a throne for the right hand, which will receive the King. Receive the body of Christ in the hollow of your hand and give the response: Amen.” It was only later that **over-emphasis on Christ’s divinity **and on human sinfulness led to a ban on people receiving communion in the hand. In fact, people seldom received communion at all. (Our readers might want to read this debunking of the alleged quote from St. Cyril of Jerusalem - Augustinus)" article from here:rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/

Full Diocesan Paper article here:
litcom.net.au/liturgy_lines/displayarticle.php?llid=695
 
We have them in the EF, of course. But, I have never seen them used at the OF Masses I have attended.
 
Ours is the OF Mass, and we started using patens about 9 months ago. Father announced in the bulletin, we would use patens, and we’ve used them every Mass since then.
 
I go to three different Churches within my city and I don’t see them used. The Church I go to daily mass it can’t be done because there is only the priest present at the service.
 
This isn’t funny but it I almost laughed; I went to our local OF church for Christmas Mass, everyone ahead of me took communion in their hands, who knows what crumbs may have been brushed off. I came along and took communion on the tongue and the priest felt it necessary to use the host container, a bowl with a finger loop on the side, as a paten.
 
I don’t quite know how to respond…

EMs are not used to have more people “participate,” or at least they are not intended to be.
You misunderstand. That’s not what I’m saying. Lay EMs are necessary because we don’t have enough priests at most liturgies to distribute communion efficiently to the many people who come forward to receive under both species. Are you hoping to go back to how it was pre Vatican II when not many participated in communion? I remember many people remaining in their pew and only receiving once a year. Is that the attitude that you want to go back to? Again…we need lay EMs to serve in this ministry… at least until the ordained priesthood is once more an attractive lifestyle and vocation. Until we have more priests, EMs are not going away any time soon.
 
We do not use them at our parish, but interestingly enough, the parish where I sometimes attend Mass has a Communion rail, the people kneel for Communion, and no paten is used. This is a Dominican parish and very traditional, many people receive on the tongue, but they also receive kneeling in the hand. I cannot see the need for a paten in that case–it would be rather awkward, as most people do not hold their hands up as high as their mouths.
 
You misunderstand. That’s not what I’m saying. Lay EMs are necessary because we don’t have enough priests at most liturgies to distribute communion efficiently to the many people who come forward to receive under both species. Are you hoping to go back to how it was pre Vatican II when not many participated in communion? I remember many people remaining in their pew and only receiving once a year. Is that the attitude that you want to go back to? Again…we need lay EMs to serve in this ministry… at least until the ordained priesthood is once more an attractive lifestyle and vocation. Until we have more priests, EMs are not going away any time soon.
It could be that those pre-VII people knew they were unworthy at that time and refrained and that today nobody cares, they just go up because everyone else is. I don’t know how old you are but I grew up in that pre-VII era and do not remember large numbers of people not receiving communion; of course I can only draw on twenty years of that experience before the mass was er changed.
 
It could be that those pre-VII people knew they were unworthy at that time and refrained and that today nobody cares, they just go up because everyone else is. I don’t know how old you are but I grew up in that pre-VII era and do not remember large numbers of people not receiving communion; of course I can only draw on twenty years of that experience before the mass was er changed.
I dontbelieve that t be true. Majority of people do not committ mortal sin every week. No one is worthy but to refuse the invitation is not what Christ wants of us. The graces of communion, if we believe, outweigh any feeling of unworthiness.
I’m 62…and at my parish before the Council there were a lot of Catholics who went to mass out of obligation and communion was only for special days.maybe your parish was different.
 
This simply false information. The purpose of extraordinary ministers is to assist with the distribution of Communion when there is absolutely not enough priests, deacons, or installed acolytes. Then the vatican clarified and said this was true, and also stated that all EMHCs should be praying for enough vocations that their role be eliminated. But it’s all about participation, right?
I’m not sure that Anna Claire meant ‘participate’ in that way. I think she meant that more people receive Communion on a regular basis.
 
I just trust that my priests and bishop know whether or not things are required in the OF Mass. 🙂
I wouldn’t bet on that. I attended Mass last year where the Bishop was the celebrant and he fractured the Host at Consecration. That’s when it became clear to me that either they aren’t up to snuff on what the Church requires or they simply don’t care and do their own thing because they think they know better.
 
I wouldn’t bet on that. I attended Mass last year where the Bishop was the celebrant and he fractured the Host at Consecration. That’s when it became clear to me that either they aren’t up to snuff on what the Church requires or they simply don’t care and do their own thing because they think they know better.
Yes, our rituals have meaning. I’m not a legalistic but certain rituals should not be changed. But who wants to point this out to the bishop?!
 
I dontbelieve that t be true. Majority of people do not committ mortal sin every week. No one is worthy but to refuse the invitation is not what Christ wants of us. The graces of communion, if we believe, outweigh any feeling of unworthiness.
I’m 62…and at my parish before the Council there were a lot of Catholics who went to mass out of obligation and communion was only for special days.maybe your parish was different.
You are way off with the mortal sin stuff. We had a requirement to fast from midnight to receive communion, if one could not get to an early Mass and had to eat something that alone would require abstaining from communion and that was not all that unusual. In fact that is one of the reasons the law changed to three hours and then to the current one hour fast, too many were being deprived. If in fact people were attending Mass out of obligation only they were likely not properly disposed to receive and were correct in remaining in their seats.
 
I dontbelieve that t be true. Majority of people do not committ mortal sin every week. No one is worthy but to refuse the invitation is not what Christ wants of us. The graces of communion, if we believe, outweigh any feeling of unworthiness.
I’m 62…and at my parish before the Council there were a lot of Catholics who went to mass out of obligation and communion was only for special days.maybe your parish was different.
You have no way of knowing whether or not the majority of people commit mortal sin every week or not. Granted, I don’t either, and I’m not implying I am, because I don’t.

Secondly, you receive absolutely zero graces (and actually commit another mortal sin) from receiving Holy Communion in a state of mortal sin.
 
I dontbelieve that t be true. Majority of people do not committ mortal sin every week. No one is worthy but to refuse the invitation is not what Christ wants of us. The graces of communion, if we believe, outweigh any feeling of unworthiness.
I’m 62…and at my parish before the Council there were a lot of Catholics who went to mass out of obligation and communion was only for special days.maybe your parish was different.
Anna,

I’m at a parish that offers both the OF and the EF. Even at the OF Mass, with 600+ people there, we do not use EMHC’s.

Rather, the celebrant will offer Holy Communion at the altar rail. He might be assisted by the other priest, or if he is not there, the deacon will assist at Mass.

But nearly everyone who is able recieves and it is handled well with just two people.

The communion rail is a LOT more time efficent than a line.

I sometimes go to a neighboring parish. They have similar numbers at Mass, but use lines and 8-10 EMCH’s, Holy Communion takes no longer at our parish as it does there.
 
Anna,

I’m at a parish that offers both the OF and the EF. Even at the OF Mass, with 600+ people there, we do not use EMHC’s.

Rather, the celebrant will offer Holy Communion at the altar rail. He might be assisted by the other priest, or if he is not there, the deacon will assist at Mass.

But nearly everyone who is able recieves and it is handled well with just two people.

The communion rail is a LOT more time efficent than a line.

I sometimes go to a neighboring parish. They have similar numbers at Mass, but use lines and 8-10 EMCH’s, Holy Communion takes no longer at our parish as it does there.
Alternating lines converging at one point is as time efficient as the altar rail.
It may be actually be a little quicker depending on the use of servers and the paten.
Does your priest make allowance for those that stand?
I see that the Precious Blood is not a option per your description.
8-10 people will distrubite Holy Communion 4-5 times faster than two , all things being equal.
 
Alternating lines converging at one point is as time efficient as the altar rail.
It may be actually be a little quicker depending on the use of servers and the paten.
Does your priest make allowance for those that stand?
Of course, both postures are permitted at the receipients choice, per the GIRM. Such a person simply stands at the communion rail.
I see that the Precious Blood is not a option per your description.
Actually, it is impossible to recieve Holy Communion without recieving the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, even in the form of a single species. So yes, everyone present who recieves recieves the Precious Blood, along with the Sacred Body and Soul and Divinity of Christ.

If you are referring to recieving the species of wine, the Eucharist is offered intincted by the priest. (which again has time savings, along with the reduced need for additional ministers to offer a second species.
8-10 people will distrubite Holy Communion 4-5 times faster than two , all things being equal.
Yes, assuming that everything was equal. But I was not comparing equally time efficent means.

In one, the line, time is wasted as the person in front clears out for the person behind them. If the species of wine is offered via the chalice additional time is further lost.

Your point about two lines converging would reduce the wasted time

But add into that, the time needed to distribute additional vessels to the additional minsiters. At your next Sunday Mass, observe the ammount of time it takes to offer Communion to the EMHC’s and to distribute vessels.

And then there is the time spent purifing these vessels after the conclustion of Holy Communion.
 
You are way off with the mortal sin stuff. We had a requirement to fast from midnight to receive communion, if one could not get to an early Mass and had to eat something that alone would require abstaining from communion and that was not all that unusual. In fact that is one of the reasons the law changed to three hours and then to the current one hour fast, too many were being deprived. If in fact people were attending Mass out of obligation only they were likely not properly disposed to receive and were correct in remaining in their seats.
**I am not way off **but I do agree about the fast from midnight. That too discouraged people.
 
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