Dolan: Whoever thinks he could be next Pope must be on dope

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Annabelle_Marie said:
Exactly…it’s a hospital for sinners…so to me the solution is not to kick out the sick people and make examples of them. But to pray for them…for their conversion…especially in this area. We all need conversion in some area of our lives.

I particularly like how our priest does it…you won’t hear him talk about the evils of abortion WITHOUT hearing him talk about reconciliation.
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Excommunication doesn’t kick them out. They are always open to return to the Church through reconciliation. WIth a public figure that private reconciliation would also need to be accompanied by a public change per canon law (as in "“I no longer support abortion.”) That public reversal could affect Catholics and non-Catholics alike.
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
Exactly…it’s a hospital for sinners…so to me the solution is not to kick out the sick people and make examples of them. But to pray for them…for their conversion…especially in this area. We all need conversion in some area of our lives.

I particularly like how our priest does it…you won’t hear him talk about the evils of abortion WITHOUT hearing him talk about reconciliation.
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I would just like to add that I think it’s great that your priest speaks about abortion at all. I can count on one hand the number of times a priest has spoken about abortion…if that many times. This is part of the silence I am talking about (and I’m not just talking about abortion).

Then we have priests who give homilies that are truly questionable and all you can think is “what the heck did he just say? Did he really just say that?” Like the Ash Wednesday homily where the priest talked about how we evolved from star dust. Uh, yeah.
 
Deerslyr said:
I’m going to defend Dolan here. The Holy Spirit worked through his ministries to bring me back to the Catholic Church. His work on the New Evangelism is real. So what if he has a sense of humor? This is the type of man who has the experience leading Catholics, rather than being an administrator. He has the acumen to draw Catholics back to the Church and move forward from there. If you somehow feel he is not conservative enough, I challenge you to demonstrate where he is “liberal”.

He is certainly being humble about it, but he is well poised to be an excellent pontiff. While I know the Holy Spirit will reveal a Pope is able to lead the Catholic Church in the right direction, I do say prayers that the Holy Spirit leads the Conclave to Dolan.
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I agree. Dolan has many qualities which other cardinals, quite frankly,
do not possess. His character is genuine and he seems a lot more “normal”
to the average person.
 
Jennifoo said:
:amen: Yes I’ve seen him on EWTN and found him as captivating, enthusiastic, warm, intelligent, and as faithful to Holy Mother Church as Fulton Sheen. 👍
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The EWTN show is an old one if you’re watching the series about St. Peter when he was a bishop. If an American could be Pope, I prefer Cardinal Raymond Burke. He’s not afraid of the liberals and has come out against giving Holy Communion to pro-abortion politicians. If any of you want to know where late term abortions are being performed subscribe to Lifesite News. They are on top on all abortion news and so is Operation Rescue.
 
Lucky7 said:
I would just like to add that I think it’s great that your priest speaks about abortion at all. I can count on one hand the number of times a priest has spoken about abortion…if that many times. This is part of the silence I am talking about (and I’m not just talking about abortion).

Then we have priests who give homilies that are truly questionable and all you can think is “what the heck did he just say? Did he really just say that?” Like the Ash Wednesday homily where the priest talked about how we evolved from star dust. Uh, yeah.
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At least round here, the priests have started speaking about abortion and birth control more since the HHS controversy. Who knew it would take Barack Obama to do this? Of course, the problem is getting the parishioners to listen…
 
Cojuanco said:
At least round here, the priests have started speaking about abortion and birth control more since the HHS controversy. Who knew it would take Barack Obama to do this? Of course, the problem is getting the parishioners to listen…
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I think it all depends on the individual parish. Mine seems very open to frank discussion. We had three busloads that attended the March for Life. One busload was young people, who turned out in great numbers for the march. This is very encouraging for the future.
 
JamesCaruso said:
I think it all depends on the individual parish. Mine seems very open to frank discussion. We had three busloads that attended the March for Life. One busload was young people, who turned out in great numbers for the march. This is very encouraging for the future.
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Your’e right. It does depend. But it shouldn’t.
 
terrig said:
The EWTN show is an old one if you’re watching the series about St. Peter when he was a bishop. If an American could be Pope,** I prefer Cardinal Raymond Burke. ** He’s not afraid of the liberals and has come out against giving Holy Communion to pro-abortion politicians. If any of you want to know where late term abortions are being performed subscribe to Lifesite News. They are on top on all abortion news and so is Operation Rescue.
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I’m with you. He’s probably too old though, no?
 
Lucky7 said:
Excommunication doesn’t kick them out. They are always open to return to the Church through reconciliation. WIth a public figure that private reconciliation would also need to be accompanied by a public change per canon law (as in "“I no longer support abortion.”) That public reversal could affect Catholics and non-Catholics alike.
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But you are talking about public excommunication…something our Bishops are not suggesting. Most people kicked out are not going to be returning anytime soon…any they sure are in the pew to get the medicine that they need. In essence you are saying that they need to leave the hospital with a very serious illness…and get well on their own…and then come back to the hospital.

Wasn’t you who was suggesting that the Catholic mother who died trying to have an abortion should be excommunicated and not have a Catholic funeral? What pry tell is that going to accomplish?
 
Lucky7 said:
I would just like to add that I think it’s great that your priest speaks about abortion at all. I can count on one hand the number of times a priest has spoken about abortion…if that many times. This is part of the silence I am talking about (and I’m not just talking about abortion).

Then we have priests who give homilies that are truly questionable and all you can think is “what the heck did he just say? Did he really just say that?” Like the Ash Wednesday homily where the priest talked about how we evolved from star dust. Uh, yeah.
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Believe me he takes incredible flak for it! I pray for him constantly!
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
But you are talking about public excommunication…something our Bishops are not suggesting. Most people kicked out are not going to be returning anytime soon…any they sure are in the pew to get the medicine that they need. In essence you are saying that they need to leave the hospital with a very serious illness…and get well on their own…and then come back to the hospital.

Wasn’t you who was suggesting that the Catholic mother who died trying to have an abortion should be excommunicated and not have a Catholic funeral? What pry tell is that going to accomplish?
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Sometimes it might be the right thing to do, that is, to publicly excommunicate someone, especially if there is the danger of them leading many astray. Maybe the priest or bishop could talk to them in private first. Maybe the person could refrain from taking communion voluntarily. But when it seems like silence equals a nod of approval or acceptance, the Church may have to place the welfare of the many over the welfare of the few at times.

Let’s say a person goes to the hospital with an advanced and highly communicable disease. They have to be isolated from the rest of the hospital for treatment. If they reject the diagnosis and refuse quarantine, the hospital has no choice but to eject them, rather than jeopardize the other patients.

PS-- The state may incarcerate them, however, because they pose a danger to society at large. Forced treatment, however, is not an option in the Church.
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
Wasn’t you who was suggesting that the Catholic mother who died trying to have an abortion should be excommunicated and not have a Catholic funeral? What pry tell is that going to accomplish?
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I actually wasn’t saying she shouldn’t have a Catholic funeral. My merciful side struggles with that. Having said that, if she was in the process of having an abortion she already excommunicated herself. Also, was she in a state of mortal sin at the time of her death? If so, what will the Funeral Mass accomplish? And if she was excommunicated by that very act, how is it that she can have a Funeral Mass? I think this is where PaulinVA was chatting about canon law with NewEnglandPriest. When does Canon law get applied/when does it not?
 
smaneck said:
Late term abortions are not performed anywhere except where the mother’s life is in imminent danger.

It is certainly not a form of birth control.
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Tell that to the woman who just died in MD at the hands of Leory Carhart. The married woman with children who died. The one whose life was not in danger.
 
lizaanne said:
No - you are not alone. I’m not impressed with this man, and his sense of humor. I’d much rather see him calling out the liberals who seem to fawn at his feet, than him donning a cheese head and making jokes.

~Liza
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I agree. I am also concerned that he is the first person in the last twenty or so years in America to refer to “dope.”
 
Frank_Drebin said:
I agree. I am also concerned that he is the first person in the last twenty or so years in America to refer to “dope.”
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Um, so using the vernacular that I hear in my High school. People(Freshmen to Seniors) still refer to some low grade drugs as “dope” or I got “doped up”.
 
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