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Formon
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As far as things to worry about … covid is almost nothing. I’m more worried about our childish reaction to it.
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LeafByNiggle
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It is relevant because many people (including the President himself) have been using the downplaying of the number of deaths as justification for questioning the advice of public health officials, like Dr. Fauci. This faulty justification needs to be shown for what it is.
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Annie
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At the same time, some people in the government are using what public health officials say to shut down too much.
I am thinking of something local… where I live, everybody wears masks and maintains a good amount of social distancing.
In an area about 15 miles away, where a friend of mine lives, people are very careless about wearing masks, etc.
Two things come to my mind: one is that my friend and I subconsciously have different ideas about how people are handling masks and social distancing.
Second is that I recall at the beginning of our mask mandate, someone went into the grocery store without a mask and the store personnel refused to do anything about it. Someone mentioned this on a local social media site and asked that people call the store to complain, and I bet a bunch did, so perhaps this store became more strict as a result.
So maybe we need to get behind or complain to the stores about this more, so that the stores will enforce the mask wearing, like No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service.
I think it would be better than having governors shut down entire businesses and the like, just improving enforcement of the masks and social distancing.
I am thinking of something local… where I live, everybody wears masks and maintains a good amount of social distancing.
In an area about 15 miles away, where a friend of mine lives, people are very careless about wearing masks, etc.
Two things come to my mind: one is that my friend and I subconsciously have different ideas about how people are handling masks and social distancing.
Second is that I recall at the beginning of our mask mandate, someone went into the grocery store without a mask and the store personnel refused to do anything about it. Someone mentioned this on a local social media site and asked that people call the store to complain, and I bet a bunch did, so perhaps this store became more strict as a result.
So maybe we need to get behind or complain to the stores about this more, so that the stores will enforce the mask wearing, like No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service.
I think it would be better than having governors shut down entire businesses and the like, just improving enforcement of the masks and social distancing.
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pnewton
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My issue with shutdowns is that they should have always only been a step in the process to normality, a chance to evaluate how to safely live and then make physical and procedural changes. They always should have only lasted long enough to make living as safe as possible. That said, there are somethings which are so non-essential as to be need canceling, or re-directing. However, this in itself should not have been done without some plan to keep people productive.
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Ridgerunner
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An awful calumny of those who simply do not agree with the more radical “prevention” measures.
There is actually no evidence that lockdowns prevent Covid. It could be the other way around, and there are . Covid can exist on environmental surfaces. Imagine an individual, a couple, a whole family, living cooped up in the “Covid well” that their house has become. Now and then, one of them has to go out into the world or face starvation. Clothing, shoes, body surfaces, hair, the person is a “Covid carrier” from head to foot. How much more likely is one to get Covid from such a person, mask or no mask, than from a Covid positive person who has been out in the air and sunlight and doesn’t spend 24/7 in the same contaminated environment?
Nobody on this forum has yet proposed a specific program for Covid that is “scientifically” demonstrable to be superior to what we’re doing right now. Nor has Biden/ Harris. It’s all just condemnation of a multifaceted approach in the various locales, about which they actually know little or nothing.
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Ridgerunner
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It might be worth mentioning that lockdowns were instituted at the behest of WHO, which got the idea from China following its lockdown of Wuhan. WHO has since abandoned that position. Some countries have done them, some havent, and without any demonstrable improvement in Covid infection either way.
WHO has come tardily to the realization that lockdowns increase deaths due to suicide and drug overdose.
WHO has come tardily to the realization that lockdowns increase deaths due to suicide and drug overdose.
LeafByNiggle
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What’s so “radical” about wearing masks? It is a straw man talking about lockdowns now. There are no lockdowns. There have not been lockdowns for months.LeafByNiggle:
An awful calumny of those who simply do not agree with the more radical “prevention” measures.
That over-the-top characterization may have happened in Wuhan, but not here.
This is the flimsiest of straw men.
I wouldn’t expect anyone on this forum to happen to be a high-ranking public health official. They are the ones that design specific programs.
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MikeInVA
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Nothing at all. It’s right up there with tossing salt over your shoulder when you know over the shaker, or carrying a lucky rabbit’s foot.
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Ridgerunner
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Oh, I had the impression you were talking about more than just masks when you said the following:
You did include the potential for lockdowns if the “public health officials” determined them necessary. I guess that is the Harris/Biden approach for now, just keeping it “on the table” as Schumer might say. I’m not too sure what “narrowly targeted isolation” of “potentially infected people” is, exactly. Perhaps you could explain it. But it sounds like coercive quarantining of people who don’t necessarily have the virus at all; a “narrowly targeted lockup” rather than a “lockdown”. That’s even more radical than the garden variety lockdown.
So, since you compared disagreement with your opinions with the deliberate killing of Terri Schiavo I think “calumny” still fits.
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pnewton
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As far as no evidence existing, the United States, less that 5% if the world, has 20% of the world’s COVID cases. That is evidence. If we would have had the same cases as the rest of the world, there would be 150,000 more Americans alive today, based on this one piece of evidence. Now everyone feel free to dismiss, pooh-pooh it, argue it. It still exists.
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tomarin
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150,000? Almost something.
Relative to the population of around 360 million.
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F_Marturana
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Ridgerunner
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The number of Covid cases, deaths, and daily case count is higher in Europe than in the U.S. I for one, do not trust numbers from places like China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Cuba or any of the countries where there is essentially no health facility in the countryside at all.
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ProVobis
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And how many more if testing were made mandatory.
And how much viral load do you need to register positive. The virus is extremely small, can only be seen by an electron microscope,
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