Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

[Ridgerunner]

I’m not talking about crimes. I’m saying that the Trump campaign and administration has lied about connections with Russians and that they did attempt to gain damaging information on their political opponent from the Russian government by attending a meeting with someone who presented herself as a "Russian agent’ that had such information.

Listening to Veselnitsaya is a 'connection"? And she did not present herself as a “Russian agent”. Objectively maybe every Russian national in this country is a “Russian agent” in some sense, considering the nature of the Russian government. But regardless, she didn’t present herself as anything at all until the meeting itself. As I understand it, Goldstone said she “had information” obtained from a “Russian prosecutor” about Hillary’s ties to Russia.

That’s a long, long way from, e.g., the DNC hiring a Russian-owned “spy for hire” agency to collect “dirt” on Trump from Russian sources for purposes of influencing the election. And, indeed, the Clinton campaign did use it. Talk about collusion with foreign sources to influence an election, that’s it.

 

[Sy_Noe]

It matters that Donald Trump Jr thought she was based on her email and then went ahead and met with her with the intention of gaining damaging information on a political opponent from a foreign government.

Remember alt-facts? There apparently is an alternative universe too.

 

[Vouthon]

It matters that Donald Trump Jr thought she was based on her email and then went ahead and met with her with the intention of gaining damaging information on a political opponent from a foreign government.

Indeed, he consented to the meeting on the understanding that she was an agent of the Russian government, a government lawyer, tasked with imparting compromising information on Hillary Clinton to him as part of a Russian state endeavour to aid the Trump campaign, according to the e-mail chain that Trump Jr. published himself.

That’s all that matters.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Of course, she would say that.

The e-mail published by Trump Jr. suggests differently.

Uh oh! Political advocacy from a foreign source that could influence an election!!! Vouthon is a Brit!

Sorry Vouthon. No offense intended. I am just wanting to point out the absurdity of this whole thing.

 

[Jig_Saw]

Listening to Veselnitsaya is a 'connection"? And she did not present herself as a “Russian agent”. Objectively maybe every Russian national in this country is a “Russian agent” in some sense, considering the nature of the Russian government. But regardless, she didn’t present herself as anything at all until the meeting itself. As I understand it, Goldstone said she “had information” obtained from a “Russian prosecutor” about Hillary’s ties to Russia.

That’s a long, long way from, e.g., the DNC hiring a Russian-owned “spy for hire” agency to collect “dirt” on Trump from Russian sources for purposes of influencing the election. And, indeed, the Clinton campaign did use it. Talk about collusion with foreign sources to influence an election, that’s it.

She presented herself in such a way that she had information that was damaging on Trump’s political opponent that was obtained from the Russian government who supported Trump’s candidacy. That’s from the email. And still Donald Jr met with her.

 

[Sy_Noe]

She presented herself in such a way that she had information that was damaging on Trump’s political opponent that was obtained from the Russian government who supported Trump’s candidacy. That’s from the email. And still Donald Jr met with her.

And nevermind that it was from the Russians who until DT came around, Republicans and others considered an adversary. He loved it! Might explain his father’s bromance with Putin.

 

[Vouthon]

Uh oh! Political advocacy from a foreign source that could influence an election!!! Vouthon is a Brit!

Sorry Vouthon. No offense intended. I am just wanting to point out the absurdity of this whole thing.

:rotfl:

Overlooking the fact that we are not presently in an election (and the humour of your above intervention in the discussion, which did I’m afraid make me chuckle, notwithstanding), I should think that the reasonable person would be able to distinguish between the case of an anonymous British bloke, on a forum, offering an opinion in public on Mr Trump Jr’s self-inflicted debacle, on the one hand; and on the other the case of a son of the GOP nominee for President, in company with the presidential nominee’s campaign manager and son-in-law, soliciting compromising material on his political opponent from a foreign government - in the advance knowledge that the said information originated from a foreign government - through an intermediary.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Indeed, he consented to the meeting on the understanding that she was an agent of the Russian government, a government lawyer, tasked with imparting compromising information on Hillary Clinton to him as part of a Russian state endeavour to aid the Trump campaign, according to the e-mail chain that Trump Jr. published himself.

That’s all that matters.

Did he? You don’t know what he thought about it or what perhaps Emin told him about the real identity of Veselnitskaya, who did not and does not purport to be an agent of the Russian government.

But let’s assume for a moment that Trump Jr bought the whole initial Goldstone representation. At the very most, he would have thought maybe the mystery person had documentation of quid pro quo between Russia’s giving Hillary millions of dollars and her favorable treatment of Russia’s interest in the uranium deal or perhaps others as well.

I know I would have consented to see the stuff even if I was doubtful about it, and even if I thought Veselnitskaya was a Russian prosecutor (which anyone would have doubted) and I think just about any American would. Everybody knows Hillary Clinton sold influence, but since it is entirely uncertain, even doubtful, that the politically-compromised Comey was investigating it, I think anybody would have wanted to see it.

And we all still should if it ever comes around.

It’s no more “collusion with a foreign government” than our reading your political posts here.

 

[jtauke]

Receiving foreign sourced money into a campaign IS a violation of the Federal Election laws.

The law is very specific.

A crime.

But now we have the Clinton Foundation … which collected $135 million from Russia for Uranium One, etc … “Clinton Cash”, the book … whose “accountant” is the brother of former FBI director [and leaker in chief] James Comey.

[But Bill Clinton did receive large dollar amounts from Buddhist nuns. And he didn’t get prosecuted.]

[Names like Charlie Trie come to mind.]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683

And then there were all the mysterious violent deaths.

If Clinton committed a crime. Why is the Trump justice department sitting on its thumb about it?

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

And if your line is

Hey the only one who has to not engage in this type of behavior is Trump - Trump Campaign - Trump et al …

And what the Obama Administration, Congressional Democrats, the DNC, Clinton et al and other republican candidates, and at least one Republican Senator -McCain and the FBI did with Russia et al means nothing …

Trump Jr said he met and they talked about the adoption law …

But but the emails said*** he wanted to ***meet because of dirt on Clinton … but the topic did not come up

While Clinton people met with Ukraine to get dirt on Trump - and actually got dirt

Really - dirty politics … and whose the dirtiest …

What did this “Russian attorney” want to meet with Trump Jr? Why the dishonesty about topic? Why was this “Russian attorney” made to leave the US - not allowed to come back and then appear - why did the Obama Administration let her back in?.. and why did she meet with Obama Ambassador after the meet with Trump Jr ? The Trump Dossier is related to Fusion GPS - so is this Russian Lawyer - why and what is the connection between her and the opposition research on Trump?

Do the answers to those questions peak your interest at all - just asking?

Can you restate this, please? I’m having trouble following. Is the core of this post that Clinton is bad, therefore Trump is good?

My major complaint is that Trump has been saying for months that his campaign had no contact with the Russian government and now we have one of our two princelings willing to meet with someone he apparently thought was a Russian official to get info on Clinton. Even if you think that Clinton is not the most ethically upright politician (no argument from me) there is still the underlying lie.

 

[7_Sorrows]

It’s important to remember after months of denial from Trump and his supporters, the highest level of the Trump campaign met with an agent of the Russian government in an attempt to gain damaging information of their political opponent.

That is, they lied. For months. And their supporters were lied to and regurgitated those lies. And when the lies are exposed, their supporters are more than willing to come on and continue to blather the party line as told to them by the right-wing media.

You guys really need to get a life and move on…this is so pathetic to watch this daily witch hunt.
Burger King is hiring…

 

[7_Sorrows]

Can you restate this, please? I’m having trouble following. Is the core of this post that Clinton is bad, therefore Trump is good?

My major complaint is that Trump has been saying for months that his campaign had no contact with the Russian government and now we have one of our two princelings willing to meet with someone he apparently thought was a Russian official to get info on Clinton. Even if you think that Clinton is not the most ethically upright politician (no argument from me) there is still the underlying lie.

But she wasn’t a Russian official was she?

 

[7_Sorrows]

No smoking gun, of course. But I will be interested, eventually, to learn how the NYT got its hands on Trump Jr’s emails. Kind of supports the “Obama hacked me” allegations by Trump, Rand Paul and Lindsay Graham, doesn’t it?

Yes. Very suspicious!

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

But she wasn’t a Russian official was she?

That’s unclear. She certainly has ties to the Russian government, and the line between official-dom and the private sector in Russia can get a little murky. But that doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether DJT thought she was. As I said somewhere else on this topic, it doesn’t matter if the “hooker” you solicit is actually an undercover police officer. You’re still guilty of soliciting prostitution.

 

[7_Sorrows]

And if your line is

Hey the only one who has to not engage in this type of behavior is Trump - Trump Campaign - Trump et al …

And what the Obama Administration, Congressional Democrats, the DNC, Clinton et al and other republican candidates, and at least one Republican Senator -McCain and the FBI did with Russia et al means nothing …

Trump Jr said he met and they talked about the adoption law …

But but the emails said*** he wanted to ***meet because of dirt on Clinton … but the topic did not come up

While Clinton people met with Ukraine to get dirt on Trump - and actually got dirt

Really - dirty politics … and whose the dirtiest …

What did this “Russian attorney” want to meet with Trump Jr? Why the dishonesty about topic? Why was this “Russian attorney” made to leave the US - not allowed to come back and then appear - why did the Obama Administration let her back in?.. and why did she meet with Obama Ambassador after the meet with Trump Jr ? The Trump Dossier is related to Fusion GPS - so is this Russian Lawyer - why and what is the connection between her and the opposition research on Trump?

Do the answers to those questions peak your interest at all - just asking?

They should be interested in the answers to those questions, but they would rather look the other way.

 

[7_Sorrows]

That’s unclear. She certainly has ties to the Russian government, and the line between official-dom and the private sector in Russia can get a little murky. But that doesn’t really matter. What matters is whether DJT thought she was. As I said somewhere else on this topic, it doesn’t matter if the “hooker” you solicit is actually an undercover police officer. You’re still guilty of soliciting prostitution.

I wouldn’t know anything about soliciting hookers.

 

[Vouthon]

I wouldn’t know anything about soliciting hookers.

No one implied that you did, the poster was simply using an analogy by way of explanation and an instructive one too, I feel.

 

[7_Sorrows]

This is mindboggling, really, there was and is still an attempt to sabotage the president, and all fingers point to the Democrats in COLLUSION with that fake Russian dossier by an intelligence officer/spy (Christopher Steele) who was being funded by a Hillary Clinton donor.

 

[jtauke]

But she wasn’t a Russian official was she?

It’s very clear that Junior though he was meeting with an agent of the Russian government. It’s not relevant that fact was misrepresented. What’s relevant is Junior’s intent to meet with a foreign agent to get info on Clinton.

From: Rob Goldstone

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone** about this Hillary info**

From: Rob Goldstone

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

I wouldn’t know anything about soliciting hookers.

I’m glad to hear it. Surely you do know something about analogies, though.