Donald Trump Jr emails show Russia communication

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queenofheartscv said:
I can’t believe how many are jumping up for glee with this new “revelation”. This will be gone in a week just like all the other Russian collusion dirt they’ve been trying to pile on him. I wish you’d remember what happened last news cycle and not get your hopes up. Oh well, if you have no election wins I guess you need hope even if it’s false.
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I’m not sure you have the proper understanding. Just because another revelation may break in a week and FOX News or others move on, doesn’t mean previous ones are gone from the eyes of Bob Mueller and his fellow investigators behind the scenes. And Junior and perhaps Jared and Manafort will be called to testify in the weeks ahead.
 
Sojourner003 said:
Junior has been lying for days. He only released his emails minutes before the NYTdid. Why would we believe that the meeting was a nothingburger. He lied.
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And I’ll add this

Look at the Timeline:(

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June 3rd, 2016: First email contact between Rob Goldstone and Donald Trump Jr. about meeting with “Russian government lawyer” with damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
June 7th, 2016: Donald J Trump gives speech in which he promises a major speech about Hillary Clinton’s crimes on June 13th. “I am going to give a major speech on … probably Monday [June 13th] of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”
June 8th, 2016: First tweet posted to “DCLeaks” Twitter account.
June 9th, 2016: Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya. Trump agreed to take the meeting after being told by Trump associate Rob Goldstone that Veselnitskaya had damaging information about Hillary Clinton which came from a Russian government operation to help his father Donald J. Trump.
June 12th, 2016: Julian Assange first announces that Wikileaks has Clinton emails which are soon to be released. “Wikileaks has a very big year ahead … We have emails related to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication.”
June 14, 2016: Washington Post publishes first account of hacking of the DNC computer networks, allegedly by hackers working on behalf of the Russian government.
June 15th, 2016: “Guccifer 2.0”, later identified by US government officials and other private sector analysts as a fictive persona created by Russian intelligence operatives, contacts The Smoking Gun to take credit for hacking the DNC.
June 27th, 2016: First hacked DNC emails posted to “DCLeaks” website.
July 11th-12th, 2016: Trump campaign officials intervene to remove language calling for providing Ukraine with lethal aid against Russian intervention is Crimea and eastern Ukraine. It is, reportedly, the only significant Trump campaign intervention in the platform in which the Trump campaign has allowed activists a free hand.
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talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/look-at-the-timeline
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
If your line is “hey, this is fine because it doesn’t satisfy the legal elements of a crime” then, man, you’re already conceding a lot.
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Haven’t you heard that ethics is no longer a consideration in government (and not starting with the Trump administration), nor is ethical behavior a major concern in our society and culture? Get real. However, on a religious forum such as CAF, I would think it should be of at least of some interest, if not concern. The oft-repeated excuse that Obama did something similar or Hillary is unethical so it is fine for Trump and his son to engage in whatever behaviors they want so long as they are not criminal behaviors is not really a teaching of the Church now, is it, or of most religions? So what is the point of your religious beliefs if you don’t put them into practice when evaluating (not judging) your own or someone else’s behavior?
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Ah, yes, the pee story. That’s very different. McCain was acting in his capacity as a Senator, not a candidate. Don’t try to conflate the two. As to Jeb Bush, I hadn’t heard that,** and you don’t appear to have much to back it up**, but if he did that, then…he was wrong. No argument there.
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This is a real attempt to influence an election - involved foreign operatives - including Russians and also with the exchange of money - AND is not found as being initiated by Trump to hurt Hillary but by those who wanted to hurt Trump - its existence and content being known to many - [including the US government, Democrats, Republicans and Media] dates to last summer -

businessinsider.com/timeline-russia-trump-sex-blackmail-golden-shower-dossier-2017-1

newsweek.com/trump-russian-spies-infamous-golden-shower-memos-541315

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/how-the-explosive-russian-dossier-was-compiled-christopher-steele
 
Sojourner003 said:
And I’ll add this

Look at the Timeline:(

snip)
June 3rd, 2016: First email contact between Rob Goldstone and Donald Trump Jr. about meeting with “Russian government lawyer” with damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
June 7th, 2016: Donald J Trump gives speech in which he promises a major speech about Hillary Clinton’s crimes on June 13th. “I am going to give a major speech on … probably Monday [June 13th] of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”
June 8th, 2016: First tweet posted to “DCLeaks” Twitter account.
June 9th, 2016: Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya. Trump agreed to take the meeting after being told by Trump associate Rob Goldstone that Veselnitskaya had damaging information about Hillary Clinton which came from a Russian government operation to help his father Donald J. Trump.
June 12th, 2016: Julian Assange first announces that Wikileaks has Clinton emails which are soon to be released. “Wikileaks has a very big year ahead … We have emails related to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication.”
June 14, 2016: Washington Post publishes first account of hacking of the DNC computer networks, allegedly by hackers working on behalf of the Russian government.
June 15th, 2016: “Guccifer 2.0”, later identified by US government officials and other private sector analysts as a fictive persona created by Russian intelligence operatives, contacts The Smoking Gun to take credit for hacking the DNC.
June 27th, 2016: First hacked DNC emails posted to “DCLeaks” website.
July 11th-12th, 2016: Trump campaign officials intervene to remove language calling for providing Ukraine with lethal aid against Russian intervention is Crimea and eastern Ukraine. It is, reportedly, the only significant Trump campaign intervention in the platform in which the Trump campaign has allowed activists a free hand.
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talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/look-at-the-timeline
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Why weren’t any of you interested in taking your spyglasses into Hillary Clinton
when it comes to everything she did? Or Obama?
Now you are into specific details and timelines. You are only interested in seeing what you want to see.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Why weren’t any of you interested in taking your spyglasses into Hillary Clinton
when it comes to everything she did? Or Obama?
Now you are into specific details and timelines. You are only interested in seeing what you want to see.
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I’ll ask again.

If Clinton committed a crime. Why is Trump’s DOJ sitting on it’s collective rear about it?
 
7_Sorrows said:
Why weren’t any of you interested in taking your spyglasses into Hillary Clinton
when it comes to everything she did? Or Obama?
Now you are into specific details and timelines. You are only interested in seeing what you want to see.
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Well, let’s see what you have instead of a bunch of incessant thumbs up with nothing to back up your thoughts.
 
meltzerboy said:
Haven’t you heard that ethics is no longer a consideration in government (and not starting with the Trump administration), nor is ethical behavior a major concern in our society and culture? Get real. However, on a religious forum such as CAF, I would think it should be of at least some interest, if not concern. The oft-repeated excuse that Obama did something similar or Hillary is unethical so it is fine for Trump and his son to engage in whatever behaviors they want so long as they are not criminal behaviors is not really a teaching of the Church now, is it, or of most religions? So what is the point of your religious beliefs if you don’t put them into practice when evaluating (not judging) your own or someone else’s behavior?
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Pretty sad observation. I can’t argue with you.
 
YADA said:
This is a real attempt to influence an election - involved foreign operatives - including Russians and also with the exchange of money - AND is not found as being initiated by Trump to hurt Hillary but by those who wanted to hurt Trump - its existence and content being known to many - [including the US government, Democrats, Republicans and Media] dates to last summer -

businessinsider.com/timeline-russia-trump-sex-blackmail-golden-shower-dossier-2017-1

newsweek.com/trump-russian-spies-infamous-golden-shower-memos-541315

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/how-the-explosive-russian-dossier-was-compiled-christopher-steele
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What a smear campaign.
I seriously doubt any of the liberals can read all 4 articles and the contents might be hard for them to follow.
 
7_Sorrows said:
Why weren’t any of you interested in taking your spyglasses into Hillary Clinton
when it comes to everything she did? Or Obama?
Now you are into specific details and timelines. You are only interested in seeing what you want to see.
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32,000 emails erased by HC using bleach bit,yet whe DJ Jr is forthcoming by releasing what a handful of emails and Horrors! What a scandal,impeach Trump already,this is just unpardonable and beyond the pale,don’t you know?:rolleyes:
 
Jeanne_S said:
32,000 emails erased by HC using bleach bit,yet whe DJ Jr is forthcoming by releasing what a handful of emails and Horrors! What a scandal,impeach Trump already,this is just unpardonable and beyond the pale,don’t you know?:rolleyes:
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The classic “but Clinton” defense. 🤷
 
Sojourner003 said:
Well, let’s see what you have instead of a bunch of incessant thumbs up with nothing to back up your thoughts.
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A 👍 means I agree with the poster’s thoughts. I am giving them a high 5 so to speak!

Sorry if they bother you so much. I won’t stop high fiving though! :extrahappy:
 
jtauke said:
The classic “but Clinton” defense. 🤷
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The Clinton’s have set the precedent as far as illegal and corrupt behavior.Yes,they are the barometer by which to judge all transgressions,perceived or otherwise.No one can dispute that.
 
Jeanne_S said:
32,000 emails erased by HC using bleach bit,yet whe DJ Jr is forthcoming by releasing what a handful of emails and Horrors! What a scandal,impeach Trump already,this is just unpardonable and beyond the pale,don’t you know?:rolleyes:
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Hillary and Obama can do no wrong! Hypocrisy at its finest!
 
Sojourner003 said:
And I’ll add this

Look at the Timeline:(

snip)
June 3rd, 2016: First email contact between Rob Goldstone and Donald Trump Jr. about meeting with “Russian government lawyer” with damaging information about Hillary Clinton.
June 7th, 2016: Donald J Trump gives speech in which he promises a major speech about Hillary Clinton’s crimes on June 13th. “I am going to give a major speech on … probably Monday [June 13th] of next week and we’re going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you’re going to find it very informative and very, very interesting.”
June 8th, 2016: First tweet posted to “DCLeaks” Twitter account.
June 9th, 2016: Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort meet with Natalia Veselnitskaya. Trump agreed to take the meeting after being told by Trump associate Rob Goldstone that Veselnitskaya had damaging information about Hillary Clinton which came from a Russian government operation to help his father Donald J. Trump.
June 12th, 2016: Julian Assange first announces that Wikileaks has Clinton emails which are soon to be released. “Wikileaks has a very big year ahead … We have emails related to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication.”
June 14, 2016: Washington Post publishes first account of hacking of the DNC computer networks, allegedly by hackers working on behalf of the Russian government.
June 15th, 2016: “Guccifer 2.0”, later identified by US government officials and other private sector analysts as a fictive persona created by Russian intelligence operatives, contacts The Smoking Gun to take credit for hacking the DNC.
June 27th, 2016: First hacked DNC emails posted to “DCLeaks” website.
July 11th-12th, 2016: Trump campaign officials intervene to remove language calling for providing Ukraine with lethal aid against Russian intervention is Crimea and eastern Ukraine. It is, reportedly, the only significant Trump campaign intervention in the platform in which the Trump campaign has allowed activists a free hand.
(snip)
talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/look-at-the-timeline
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One of the weak, if not the weakest, link in this whole chain is the fact that nobody has ever been allowed to actually examine the DNC computer for “Russian fingerprints” or anything else, despite repeated FBI requests (and why just requests?) to have its experts analyze it. The only word we have for Russian hacking is the DNC itself. Supposedly, the DNC’s information about that comes from CrowdStrike, the Russian-owned “spy company” hired by the DNC to spy on Trump, that produced the fake Trump “dossier” with Russian sources.

So, here we have Trump Jr who is willing to testify before Congress and produce everything he has, to the DNC which is not willing to produce the most elemental piece of evidence in the whole tale.

And so we should believe the DNC and CrowdStrike?

No thank you.
 
jtauke said:
The Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA) prohibits any foreign national from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign nationals violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and willfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.

transition.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml#Prohibition
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So this lady lawyer was a donor for the trump party? How much did she spend?
 
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