Donald Trump selects Indiana Governor Mike Pence as VP

[gilliam]

Did no one anticipate the immediate association with the Trump/Pence initials? Poor, poor choice, if only for that. I’m afraid there will be a lot of bathroom humor going forward.

Only in the City

 

[TMC]

I feel like the week was badly handled by the campaign in general. The leak of the nominee, the retraction of the leak, the cancellation of the announcement, followed by a anti-climatic twitter announcement. All poorly managed. And to top it off they announce Tim Tebow as a featured speaker at the convention, only to have Tebow deny he was ever scheduled to appear. And then the comments from Gingrich. Not a smooth intro to convention week.

 

[Voltrael]

Trump wanted Pence to lock in the Republican Party, so he can then start working on independents in order to get the votes needed to win the electoral college. He announced before the convention to try to stem a lot of the opposition that might have happened during the convention.

 

[Strydersroom]

Very much a typical expected pandering pick. Pence endorsed Cruz. Trump repeatedly called Cruz lying Ted and is obviously not a spiritual man. 2 Corinthians? By picking pants he is simply trying to appeal to the most Conservative Christian voters and obviously it is working from responses here.

 

[LittleFlower378]

According to Paul Kengor Hilary used to be a strong Methodist but is currently more Marxist. Kengor wrote a book called God and Hilary Clinton.

 

[Mulligan2]

Democrats plan to attack Pence as a social conservative zealot, out of step with women and LGBT persons. And to draw attention to a law Pence signed last year that drew immediate backlash from everyone from the NCAA to Apple, with some companies canceling planned conferences in the state, impacting the state’s tourism and convention business. Democrats will say Pence prioritized his right-wing social agenda over the health of the state’s economy.

Democrats can argue Pence was also a vocal advocate of shutting down the government if Republicans didn’t get their way.

Next up on Democrat’s hit list are economic issues. They’ll argue that he, like Trump, would cut wages and is not out for working people. They’ll highlight that median household wages in Indiana fell from $53,000 to $46,900 while he was governor.

Opponents will also highlight a number of controversial statements Pence has made. Those include an op-ed he wrote railing against government overreach in anti-smoking legislation, saying “smoking doesn’t kill.”

And Pence’s non-answer to a 2009 question from MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on whether he believes in evolution. “I can’t say,” he replied.

nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/how-democrats-will-attack-trump-s-vp-pick-mike-pence-n609496

All of these are valid points that Pence will have to answer for. And he will be scrutinized like never before. However, I don’t see Pence having much affect at all on the outcome of the election. With Trump’s personal style being what it is, I don’t see how a VP candidate, or anyone else for that matter, being a very good surrogate for him.

On the Democratic side, in addition to the ultimate VP pick, there are 4 legitimate stars that will be actively campaigning for Hillary Clinton: President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Senator Elizabeth Warren, and Senator Bernie Sanders. Trump will be continually hammered, he’ll respond in a less-than-presidential manner, and Hillary Clinton will win by a comfortable margin.

 

[Padres1969]

Always a good sign when people with horrendous views on issues to begin with think you’ve made a bad choice on a candidate or issue. Makes me like the Pence pick even more.

Or it could be they’re just telling you that you’ve made a bad choice.

But if it makes you feel better, I think Trump made an outstanding choice. Definitely lessens any concerns I have he’ll be elected in November

 

[qui_est_ce]

I remember last year when women protested the Governor’s extreme measures on women’s reproductive health. They began calling his office and leaving messages for him about their personal health. It was actually very clever. ‘Periods for Pence.’

Some of the messages they left were funny. I imagine his office was not too happy with the campaign.

npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/08/473518239/periods-as-protest-indiana-women-call-governor-to-talk-about-menstrual-cycles

Mean-spirited nastiness. And we wonder why people don’t get along.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Did no one anticipate the immediate association with the Trump/Pence initials? Poor, poor choice, if only for that. I’m afraid there will be a lot of bathroom humor going forward.

Only for people who have their minds in the gutter.

 

[Good_Tidings]

They are anti-Trump there. Not sure it is where I would go there to get reliable inside the Trump campaign news.

CNN is reporting it too:
mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-trump-asked-aides-last-night-if-he-could-get-out-of-picking-pence/

 

[estesbob]

The thing is not even all people of faith nor their Christian faith communities believe aborting an embryo is as evil as Catholics do because they might not believe embryonic life equates to an innocent baby or person. Or they respect a woman’s role in the decision process within the confines of her own religious convictions and liberty, along with her own family and doctor. And as an officer in the public arena, the current VP seems to get that he doesn’t represent only the Americans of his own personal faith and beliefs. But we will never agree on this so I shall allow you the last word if you so choose.

The thing is not even all people of faith nor their Christian faith communities believed killing Jews was as evil as Catholics do.

 

[Irishmom2]

I have concerns when anyone leaves the Catholic Church. However, I would much rather vote for a Catholic who has left the Church, yet will defend the life of unborn babies than someone who hasn’t left the Church, but supports the killing of these innocent lives.

 

[Usige]

I get the job, I don’t think you understand the meaning of political. Holding a political office does not mean you should close your eyes to evil.

Nope, I guess it means changing your definition of evil to virtue if enough people listen to Satan whispering in their ear. At least that’s what some hold as the solution to a pluralistic society; leave your personal opinions at the door. :nope:

 

[Usige]

Did no one anticipate the immediate association with the Trump/Pence initials? Poor, poor choice, if only for that. I’m afraid there will be a lot of bathroom humor going forward.

Nope, didn’t catch it, but likely because I left sophomoric humor behind when I became an adult.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I had no idea Pence was Catholic and left. On the other hand, VP Biden as I understand it attends Mass regularly and Catholicism is a very important part of Biden’s life. So it must be political.

So important that he supports abortion and gay so called marriage.

 

[john_ennis]

The thing is not even all people of faith nor their Christian faith communities believed killing Jews was as evil as Catholics do.

I know. Kind of like saying that if slavery were still a debated policy and the Catholic Church were the primary voice against it, Catholic politicians would have to be careful not to push their anti-slavery views. That would be imposing religion on non-Catholics.

Biden’s a believing Catholic, he says. So he knows that the Church, teaching the truth on faith and morals, helpfully teaches us that humans from conception are people like us.

But he turns his back on them, because others don’t believe as he does. Much like turning one’s back on slaves, because some others thought they weren’t fully human.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Mean-spirited nastiness. And we wonder why people don’t get along.

Not nastiness at all. The women who participated in ‘Periods for Pence’ were making an extremely strong point. Pence wanted to control women’s periods, their pregnancies, their miscarriages, their abortions, their giving birth. Well, this is what happens when you seek to regulate all those things - you get push back.

 

[Peter_J]

You are downplaying the positives of each, although Flynn is not a good choice overall because of his position on abortion. Gov Pence is a strong choice. Newt Gingrich achieved a lot as speaker of the House, including bipartisan work, and is one of the complaints with Congress that they lack a lot of bipartisanship, is it not?

A part of me can’t help but be surprised that Newt didn’t get picked, considering how much he has gone to bat for Trump in these last few months.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Not nastiness at all.

I guess we have different standards of civility.

The women who participated in ‘Periods for Pence’ were making an extremely strong point. Pence wanted to control women’s periods, their pregnancies, their miscarriages, their abortions, their giving birth. Well, this is what happens when you seek to regulate all those things - you get push back.

I think most women (and men) know what causes pregnancy.

 

[john_ennis]

Not nastiness at all. The women who participated in ‘Periods for Pence’ were making an extremely strong point. Pence wanted to control women’s periods, their pregnancies, their miscarriages, their abortions, their giving birth. Well, this is what happens when you seek to regulate all those things - you get push back.

Isn’t that a lot like saying that people who opposed slavery wanted to regulate others’ business, their households, and the economy?