Donald Trump Thread

[Good_Tidings]

Of course, this is all the result of George W. Bush’s ill-advised decision to invade Iraq. According to the new book ISIS: A History (Princeton University Press, 2016) by Fawaz A. Gerges, Professor of International Relations and Emirates Professor in Contemporary Middle East Studies at the London School of Economics and Political Science:

W never understood the dynamics of Iraq. There was a reason his dad never pushed on to Baghdad.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I’m not so sure finding another job’s the right first answer. I mean why do good people always have to leave when corruption comes to town? Why can’t they just stand their ground and be a good influence back? Why don’t people with bad morals have to leave the job instead?

All that seems to leave behind is people who agree with the new rules. So nothing ever changes except a faster slide to darker shades. I’d prefer good people just stayed still. And tried hard just to take a pass on doing things they don’t agree with.

But at the same time I think it would then be fine for the employer to hire people who will do what he wants instead. So I guess in most cases the protesting employee would get sacked. But at least they’d go down fighting.

Just like I think it should be fine for a business owner to sell to whoever she wants whenever she wants. I mean what’s with forcing someone to take someone else’s money? Seriously. Would you want your baker to be *forced *to bake you a cake? Would you seriously eat something from someone forced to make it for you under protest? I’d rather my baker was really happy to see me.

Or something.

Peace.

-Trident

If you continue to resist you might be killed.

The baker was sued … and lost.

There was one “election” in which a challenger was charged with being a child molester … because some prisoner was persuaded to lie under oath.

If they want to get you, they will.

The Internal Revenue Service harrassed numerous people.

Look up Lois Lerner.

Check out what they did to “True The Vote”. And Catherine Engelbrecht. Look it up.

Look what they did to the guy who made the abortion videos …

Read: “The Intimidation Game - How The Left Is Silencing Free Speech” by Kimberley Strassel. It’s a new book and fully detailed.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Of course, this is all the result of George W. Bush’s ill-advised decision to invade Iraq. According to the new book ISIS: A History (Princeton University Press, 2016) by Fawaz A. Gerges, Professor of International Relations and Emirates Professor in Contemporary Middle East Studies at the London School of Economics and Political Science:

Why do you expect HRC to easily be able to fix the huge mess that the Bush administration left.

The United States pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan precipitously.

That is a mess that Obama left. HRC was, by the way, the Secretary of State during the pull out debacle.

Keeping in mind that many decades later we are STILL in South Korea and Germany and Japan.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Of course, this is all the result of George W. Bush’s ill-advised decision to invade Iraq. According to the new book ISIS: A History (Princeton University Press, 2016) by Fawaz A. Gerges, Professor of International Relations and Emirates Professor in Contemporary Middle East Studies at the London School of Economics and Political Science:

Why do you expect HRC to easily be able to fix the huge mess that the Bush administration left.

Possibly her first concern, if she’s elected, would be to fix the huge mess she created in North Africa.

Even Bin Ladin admitted he had lost in Iraq, and told his fighters to stand down because they were being destroyed. ISIS arose out of a disagreement between A.Q. and some of its leaders over whether A.Q. should kill Shia as well as non-Islamic “infidels”. ISIS moved to Syria where the U.S. was not, because it was easier to succeed there than in Iraq.

The Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shia (the majority) of Iraqis wanted the U.S. to stay longer. Sectarian violence was largely quelled, and Sistani even told Shiites not to retaliate even against Sunni attacks. The DIA told Obama that three brigades would be sufficient to keep ISIS out of Iraq. But Obama had made Iraq “Bush’s war” and was determined to leave. So he did, despite the warnings of the Joint Chiefs and his own CIA director. They warned that Iraq would turn into a battleground between Sunni extremists and Iranian-backed forces, and so it has.

As the architect of the disaster in Libya, the arming of radicals in Syria, the debacle in Benghazi, and the turnover of Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as a participant in the abandonment of Iraq, Hillary Clinton is the very last person who should be entrusted with American foreign policy. Even Barack Obama, who understood nothing in the region, admitted the war on Libya was a “mistake”. But Hillary Clinton, it appears, has learned nothing.

 

[Thorolfr]

Possibly her first concern, if she’s elected, would be to fix the huge mess she created in North Africa.

Even Bin Ladin admitted he had lost in Iraq, and told his fighters to stand down because they were being destroyed. ISIS arose out of a disagreement between A.Q. and some of its leaders over whether A.Q. should kill Shia as well as non-Islamic “infidels”. ISIS moved to Syria where the U.S. was not, because it was easier to succeed there than in Iraq.

The Sunni tribal leaders, the Kurds and the Sistani Shia (the majority) of Iraqis wanted the U.S. to stay longer. Sectarian violence was largely quelled, and Sistani even told Shiites not to retaliate even against Sunni attacks. The DIA told Obama that three brigades would be sufficient to keep ISIS out of Iraq. But Obama had made Iraq “Bush’s war” and was determined to leave. So he did, despite the warnings of the Joint Chiefs and his own CIA director. They warned that Iraq would turn into a battleground between Sunni extremists and Iranian-backed forces, and so it has.

As the architect of the disaster in Libya, the arming of radicals in Syria, the debacle in Benghazi, and the turnover of Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood, as well as a participant in the abandonment of Iraq, Hillary Clinton is the very last person who should be entrusted with American foreign policy. Even Barack Obama, who understood nothing in the region, admitted the war on Libya was a “mistake”. But Hillary Clinton, it appears, has learned nothing.

You sure do make Hillary responsible for a lot of things. The US did not turn Egypt over to the Muslims Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood won a democratic election in Egypt. Maybe a lot of Americans don’t really believe in democracy, but if we do, we should respect the democratic choices of the people in other nations.

It’s also wishful thinking to believe that keeping three brigades in Iraq could have prevented or controlled the simmering hatreds released between Sunnis and Shia in Iraq because of the incompetent US occupation of that country under the Bush administration.

 

[Thorolfr]

The United States pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan precipitously.

That is a mess that Obama left. HRC was, by the way, the Secretary of State during the pull out debacle.

Keeping in mind that many decades later we are STILL in South Korea and Germany and Japan.

The situation in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East is in no way similar to Korea, Germany and Japan after World War II. It’s a pipe dream for Americans to believe that we can control all the forces that have been unleashed in the Middle East.

As someone who has lived in, traveled in and studied the Middle East over many years, I believe that it is going to be very difficult to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. And George W. Bush is the one who pushed him off the wall.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

As much as Hillary and Obama

Both of these were clueless.

Probably still are.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Chapter 3 of “Clinton Cash” by Peter Schweizer is about Russia again. Goes into more detail.

Many trips to foreign countries. Half a million dollars here … $2.6 million there.

About how one of the “companies” Bill does “business” with is, in fact, owned by the KGB.

Chapter 3 is where it is “divulged” that Russia now owns 50% of U.S. uranium.

Chapter 4 is about India. Bill loves Indian food. Clinton Global Initiative received between $1 million and $5million from Indian people. Before she became Secretary of State. At least three speeches totaling $780,000. India wanted to be able to skate free of the various Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaties. Read the chapter. Goes into a lot of detail; names names.

Chapter 5 is about the organization of the Clinton Foundation(s). Founded in 2001. Ira Magaziner. 350 staff members. Invented or devised “convening power model” … they don’t do any of the leg work. They get money from foundations and then give it back to foundations and create a deliberately confusing revolving door of staffers with the Dept of State. Bill gets $3 million and free use of corporations’ jets. Got $6.3 million from the sale of his book, “Giving”. Bill’s speakers fees $600K.

You gotta read this book.

Six more chapters to go.

Our early gangsters should have started the “Capone Family Fund”.

Chapter 6:

Boeing gave the Clintons $900,000 after Boeing got a $3.7 Billion contract from Russia.

The Washington Post called it “an indicator of a mutually beneficial relationship”.

[She should have done it for free … because … she was a Public Official.]

One of her staffers created a LIST of enemies and friends based on a point system.

Then there are the SGE’s. Special Government Employees. Who drift back and forth between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Large list of people.

Then there are the “S Class” people who are directly controlled by the Secretary of State.

Then there is the Laureate Education … page 103 … $150 Million

Chapter 7:

“Podium Economics”

At least $13 Million of which $5.1 Million is from outside the USA

You all really should read the book, “Clinton Cash”.

Seriously.

 

[Thorolfr]

Chapter 6:

Boeing gave the Clintons $900,000 after Boeing got a $3.7 Billion contract from Russia.

The Washington Post called it “an indicator of a mutually beneficial relationship”.

[She should have done it for free … because … she was a Public Official.]

One of her staffers created a LIST of enemies and friends based on a point system.

Then there are the SGE’s. Special Government Employees. Who drift back and forth between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Large list of people.

Then there are the “S Class” people who are directly controlled by the Secretary of State.

Then there is the Laureate Education … page 103 … $150 Million

Chapter 7:

“Podium Economics”

At least $13 Million of which $5.1 Million is from outside the USA

You all really should read the book, “Clinton Cash”.

Seriously.

Clinton Cash: errors dog Bill and Hillary exposé – but is there any ‘there’ there?

Then there have been the errors. The most cringe-inducing involves a passage in the book in which Schweizer draws from a press release from TD Bank in which the Canadian financial institution supposedly announced its divestment from the contentious Keystone XL oil pipeline. The author suggests TD Bank tried to persuade the US government to back the pipeline using Bill Clinton as a conduit – an attempt that eventually failed when Obama kicked the decision down the road until after the 2012 presidential election, leading to TD Bank’s decision to divest.

Yet the press release was revealed to be a fake the same week it was circulated.

Similarly, Schweizer attempts in the chapter on the Haiti earthquake, Disaster Capitalism Clinton-Style, to link three lucrative speeches given by Bill Clinton in Ireland for a total of $600,000 to the awarding of a major contract in Haiti to Digicel, the telecoms company owned by Irish magnate Dennis O’Brien who had arranged Clinton’s appearances.

But as Buzzfeed pointed out, Bill Clinton was not paid on those occasions.

Perhaps the most seriously misleading element of the book involves the purchase by the Russian State Atomic Nuclear Agency (Rosatom) of a Canadian company, Uranium One, that had a large stake in US uranium output. Schweizer claims that a “central role” in the decision of the US government to approve the purchase was played by Hillary Clinton at the State Department at the same time as large donations were being made to the Clinton Foundation by individuals directly involved in the deal.

Yet in this case, as Time has shown, the State Department was only one of nine members of the inter-agency committee that made the final call, and even then there is no evidence that Clinton herself ever took part in the discussions.

theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/clinton-cash-bill-hillary-scandal-book

 

[XndrK]

But these stories persist because they fit the narrative of what Democrats want desperately to believe about Republicans. Facts and truth matter not.

I for one don’t give a [expletive] what he did twenty years ago; I care for his policies and what he’s doing now.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Gingrich married one of his high school teachers. Cheated on her, divorced her while she was on her death bed, and married his younger mistress. When she got older he cheated on her, divorced her, and married his younger mistress. Like most rich and powerful people, he had no trouble getting his first two marriages annulled. But his behavior speaks for itself.

Sorry.

I just keep coming back to this.

 

[Good_Tidings]

theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/clinton-cash-bill-hillary-scandal-book

And this from the article:
If his aim were to show that Hillary Clinton was swayed in her decision-making while US secretary of state by money flowing to the Clintons from foreign governments and elites, then he has failed – by his own admission – to have found the key evidence that proves it.

“We cannot ultimately know what goes on in their minds and ultimately prove the links between the money they took in and the benefits that subsequently accrued to themselves, their friends, and their associates,” Schweizer writes in the book’s conclusion.

He was Palin’s foreign affair tutor? He did a great job there, too.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/clinton-cash-bill-hillary-scandal-book

The article was from May 5, 2015.

Obsolete.

A couple of hundred comments.

The newspaper cut off comments after only a couple of days.

Gotta do better than that.

 

[Thorolfr]

The article was from May 5, 2015.

Obsolete.

A couple of hundred comments.

The newspaper cut off comments after only a couple of days.

Gotta do better than that.

The hardcover edition of the book was released on 5 May 2015, so in what way is the article obsolete? Has anything changed in the book and who cares about the reader comments at the end?

 

[Monte_RCMS]

townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad

Trump Does the Unthinkable

[What has Clinton done for Lewinsky, by contrast.]

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

townhall.com/columnists/lizcrokin/2016/07/10/trump-does-the-unthinkable-n2190160?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad

Trump Does the Unthinkable

[What has Clinton done for Lewinsky, by contrast.]

Thank you for posting this.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

So now it’s Saint Donald?

 

[Thorolfr]

So now it’s Saint Donald?

It’s worse than that

The Colorado delegation to the Republican national convention has long been one of the most vocal redoubts of opposition to Donald Trump in the Republican party. But emails shared with the Guardian reveal how divisive the conflict over Trump has become, with supporters of the GOP nominee comparing Never Trumpers to opponents of Jesus Christ and using a 12-year-old to make threatening phone calls to coax anti-Trump delegates into supporting him.

[O]ne Trump alternate, Kimberly JaJack, compared those Republicans opposed to the real estate developer to “the Pharisees who were critical of and critized [sic] by Jesus”. This led one anti-Trump figure to express alarm that supporters of the candidate were comparing him to Jesus.

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/colorado-republican-delegates-donald-trump-divide

 

[_Abyssinia]

It’s worse than that

theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/colorado-republican-delegates-donald-trump-divide

If they were that isn’t right. There was what Pastor Rick Warren calling “blasphemy” surrounding Barack Obama - this article details some cases - there was Jamie Foxx calling Barack Obama, “our Lord and saviour”. Art showing Barack Obama being crucified: theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/28/pastor-rick-warren-laments-deification-of-obama-blasphemy-sent-shivers-up-my-spine/

There is example after example. Here’s another one, editor of Newsweek calling Obama, “sort of God” - newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2009/06/05/newsweeks-evan-thomas-obama-sort-god

 

[Trident_H]

If you continue to resist you might be killed.

Fine with me. Actually.

The baker was sued … and lost.

But won public support. And enough donations to more than pay the fine.

There was one “election” in which a challenger was charged with being a child molester … because some prisoner was persuaded to lie under oath.

If they want to get you, they will.

But we know the truth behind this story. So the getting didn’t stick.

The Internal Revenue Service harrassed numerous people.

Look up Lois Lerner.

And they had to apologize.

Check out what they did to “True The Vote”. And Catherine Engelbrecht. Look it up.

Look what they did to the guy who made the abortion videos …

Didn’t he get acquitted?

Read: “The Intimidation Game - How The Left Is Silencing Free Speech” by Kimberley Strassel. It’s a new book and fully detailed.

Yeah. I have no doubt. I mean bullies always use the same ways. Scare a guy down until he gives up. But giving up just makes them stronger. And bolder.

So how about we still drag our heels?

At least a bit?

Peace Monte.

-Trident