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Ginsburg just expressed “regret” over her “ill-advised” statements:
“On reflection, my recent remarks in response to press inquiries were ill-advised and I regret making them,” Ginsburg said. “Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future I will be more circumspect.”
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meltzerboy said:
Oh, I think the doubt of credibility on the Supreme Court has already been established, sadly.
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Oh it is, and her political intrusion put a verbal seal on it. Not really a biggie it was unintentional but indicative of a bigger problem. You have to wonder how many in the past have done this, and though legal, it is unethical and inappropriate. She was right to speak on this, reject the thinking as the boundary would only get bigger. The two systems failing certainly has to be considered and with this further widening the boundary imo.
 
_Abyssinia said:
This CNN article discusses about in the event the Supreme Court had to judge on the presidential election, Ruth Bader Ginsburg would, “likely have to recuse herself”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-recuse/index.html

What about if she is still on the court and Donald Trump becomes president and a case or cases involving his administration end up going before the Supreme Court - would she probably have to recuse herself in any case involving a Trump administration?
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg should be his running mate for Vice President! He can promise to keep her for only the first half of his first term if he wins the election in November. He can promise to replace Ginsburg with the governor of New Mexico for the second half of his first term.
 
meltzerboy said:
Hasn’t the Rasmussen poll been the ONLY one that has consistently had Trump leading?
I never had any doubt it was going to be a very close election.
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There is still a long time between today and November.

Supposedly at 11 am tomorrow, Friday, Trump will announce his VP selection.

Tune in to Varney.

The president appoints around 5000 people to high office.

So, you decide if you want your foreign policy made by a left winger or a right winger.
 
meltzerboy said:
Diplomacy is also a virtue.

In the words of the great philosopher, Kenny Rogers, “You’ve got to know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away.”
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Your reference to Kenny Rogers was a gamble that paid off handsomely.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
There is still a long time between today and November.

Supposedly at 11 am tomorrow, Friday, Trump will announce his VP selection.

Tune in to Varney.

The president appoints around 5000 people to high office.

So, you decide if you want your foreign policy made by a left winger or a right winger.
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I don’t really care about political labels when it concerns foreign policy. I want my foreign policy made by someone who has sound knowledge, experience, intellect, diplomacy skills, and good judgment. Let’s see, that means I would prefer…none of the above.
 
meltzerboy said:
Hasn’t the Rasmussen poll been the ONLY one that has consistently had Trump leading?
I never had any doubt it was going to be a very close election.
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Rasmussen hasn’t had Trump leading in all their polls.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Rasmussen hasn’t had Trump leading in all their polls.
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No, but it’s consistently been the outlier. If you look at Real Clear Politics, there were something like two out of the past 20 polls that had Trump leading and both were Rasmussen. But, yes, sometimes even Rasmussen has had him behind.

Having said all that, I do think Trump will pull ahead in a lot of polls next week during the convention. That’s usually the way it goes.
 
GaryTaylor said:
If she apologized she would be involving herself more in which she regrets and rejects and she’s right. She’s back on point, you think she should have made a public apology?
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I am not a big fan of public apologies. They are usually disingenuous. I think expressing regret is all we are going to get. Now she needs to lower her profile for a while.
 
TMC said:
I am not a big fan of public apologies. They are usually disingenuous. I think expressing regret is all we are going to get. Now she needs to lower her profile for a while.
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Isn’t expressing regret the very definition of an apology?
 
tomarin said:
Isn’t expressing regret the very definition of an apology?
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I think they are different. An apology implicitly admits that some harm was committed and seeks forgiveness. Regret simply says that, in retrospect, the person wishes they had acted differently. I can regret choosing to eat ice cream for breakfast, without admitting it was wrong or that doing so wronged another.
 
TMC said:
I think they are different. An apology implicitly admits that some harm was committed and seeks forgiveness. Regret simply says that, in retrospect, the person wishes they had acted differently. I can regret choosing to eat ice cream for breakfast, without admitting it was wrong or that doing so wronged another.
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Or I regret taking the car over the subway to work as I sit stalled in traffic. I guess it depends a bit on the context, in this case I interpreted her regret as the kind you encounter in an apology. I see your point though.
 
tomarin said:
Or I regret taking the car over the subway to work as I sit stalled in traffic. I guess it depends a bit on the context, in this case I interpreted her regret as the kind you encounter in an apology. I see your point though.
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And I see yours.
 
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BREAKING NEWS: Sources say Indiana gov abandoning re-election bid, all but certain to be Trump’s VP pick
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(apologies if this is old news / already discussed)

Looks like VP will be Pence. I think this is on the whole a good move. Pence brings stability and conservative credentials to the ticket. I believe this will pull more conservatives and moderates than perhaps Gingrich would have in the role of pitbull as VP. (Gingrich has high negatives - I never really liked him.) Pence gives the ticket a kinder, milder touch and he has solid credentials in terms of experience, the Beltway, etc. (I predict this works with Republican women too.)

I think Gingrich stays on throughout the campaign anyway as kind of an unofficial advisor and is also part of the cabinet, likely along with Christie. In other words, Trump will have pitbulls out there with him, just not two on the ticket. Trump is “new” “moderate” enough; nice to have “stable” “conservative” as well in the mix. Trump’s policies on trade issues / immigration / taxes / economy, jobs, etc. will be the attraction to the working class. (though I personally hope the wall is shot down in favor of tougher adherence to current immigration law. I think if Trump gave that to Ryan at the convention, i.e., removing it from the platform, that would be an olive branch to Ryan conservatives with far-reaching conciliatory effects. There is nothing stopping the Republicans from just REALLY pushing adherence to immigration law unlike the current President (deporting criminals; enforcing the border) - that would be popular I think as an argument; better than “the wall”)
 
FollowChrist34 said:
(apologies if this is old news / already discussed)

Looks like VP will be Pence. I think this is on the whole a good move. Pence brings stability and conservative credentials to the ticket. I believe this will pull more conservatives and moderates than perhaps Gingrich would have in the role of pitbull as VP. (Gingrich has high negatives - I never really liked him.) Pence gives the ticket a kinder, milder touch and he has solid credentials in terms of experience, the Beltway, etc. (I predict this works with Republican women too.)

I think Gingrich stays on throughout the campaign anyway as kind of an unofficial advisor and is also part of the cabinet, likely along with Christie. In other words, Trump will have pitbulls out there with him, just not two on the ticket. Trump is “new” “moderate” enough; nice to have “stable” “conservative” as well in the mix. Trump’s policies on trade issues / immigration / taxes / economy, jobs, etc. will be the attraction to the working class. (though I personally hope the wall is shot down in favor of tougher adherence to current immigration law. I think if Trump gave that to Ryan at the convention, i.e., removing it from the platform, that would be an olive branch to Ryan conservatives with far-reaching conciliatory effects. There is nothing stopping the Republicans from just REALLY pushing adherence to immigration law unlike the current President (deporting criminals; enforcing the border) - that would be popular I think as an argument; better than “the wall”)
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I don’t see how Pence attracts more moderates than Gingrich since the former is solidly conservative. He will most likely attract conservatives and that’s about it. Trump is really depending on a large conservative turnout, including Evangelicals, Mormons, and conservative Catholics. Maybe some blue-collar workers as well, Reagan Democrats who are wary of Clinton.
 
meltzerboy said:
I don’t see how Pence attracts more moderates than Gingrich since the former is solidly conservative. He will most likely attract conservatives and that’s about it. Trump is really depending on a large conservative turnout, including Evangelicals, Mormons, and conservative Catholics. Maybe some blue-collar workers as well, Reagan Democrats who are wary of Clinton.
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True, but a huge part of the NeverTrump wailing about Trump has been his lack of solid conservative platform - Trump is actually close to Sanders on trade. (though I think he is “open FAIR trade” ) He is also supportive of progressive taxes and not slashing social programs Ryan-style. Soft on social issues. The thinking (right or wrong) is that this will appeal to moderates, independents. I think it might - Trump is polling quite well with independents as we speak. Pence pulls the base in theory. I think they are trying to eat their cake and have it too. With the alternative being Hillary Clinton, I feel ok as of right now anyway about their chances…
 
FollowChrist34 said:
True, but a huge part of the NeverTrump wailing about Trump has been his lack of solid conservative platform - Trump is actually close to Sanders on trade. (though I think he is “open FAIR trade” ) He is also supportive of progressive taxes and not slashing social programs Ryan-style. Soft on social issues. The thinking (right or wrong) is that this will appeal to moderates, independents. I think it might - Trump is polling quite well with independents as we speak. Pence pulls the base in theory. I think they are trying to eat their cake and have it too. With the alternative being Hillary Clinton, I feel ok as of right now anyway about their chances…
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VP picks and the Presidential candidate often disagree on some issues, but it seems like Pence and Trump disagree on almost everything. I wonder how it will play out. The main thing Pence is known for nationally is anti-gay legislation, which should hurt Trump’s attempt to show he is moderate on those issues. The main thing he is known for from his time in Congress is his strong support for NAFTA and similar trade deals - which is directly counter to one of Trump’s main planks.

What issues do they align on? Other than adding a conservative resume to the ticket, what does he bring? He is not known as a great campaigner. I have read he is close to the Koch brothers, maybe he will convince them to support Trump?
 
TMC said:
VP picks and the Presidential candidate often disagree on some issues, but it seems like Pence and Trump disagree on almost everything. I wonder how it will play out. The main thing Pence is known for nationally is anti-gay legislation, which should hurt Trump’s attempt to show he is moderate on those issues. The main thing he is known for from his time in Congress is his strong support for NAFTA and similar trade deals - which is directly counter to one of Trump’s main planks.

What issues do they align on? Other than adding a conservative resume to the ticket, what does he bring? He is not known as a great campaigner. I have read he is close to the Koch brothers, maybe he will convince them to support Trump?
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I just heard this may be premature - just a rumor it’s Pence. Pence as I understand it was the preferred choice of conservatives, the GOP party freaked out by Trump. This is a bone being thrown to them; also Trump genuinely likes and gets along with him and Pence has good connnections / reputation on Capitol Hill. Nationally we don’t know anything really do we? He is a bit of a quiet, stable blank slate - on the Trump ticket I think that is good.
 
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