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Luigi_Daniele said:
It used to make me angry and embarrassed. Now it just makes me sad.
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I feel that way about the overall state of our nation, especially now that these two have come to be the nominations by the will of the people.:mad::doh2::doh2:
 
From what I’ve read, Trump is like many successful business people, more interested in making money than in promoting Jesus. In that, he is no better than what many in these forums accuse Hillary Clinton of. He may actually be worse. Hillary has actually tried to follow what she thinks are Christian behaviors, while Donald has only been concerned about his 10 billion worth.
 
sallybutler said:
From what I’ve read, Trump is like many successful business people, more interested in making money than in promoting Jesus. In that, he is no better than what many in these forums accuse Hillary Clinton of. He may actually be worse. Hillary has actually tried to follow what she thinks are Christian behaviors, while Donald has only been concerned about his 10 billion worth.
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I didn’t know support for unlimited abortion was Christian…and that’s what she supports.
 
sallybutler said:
And is making money Christian?
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So, now making a living is not allowed? :confused:

Both my parents worked when I was a child. Both are retired. They made $ while working so my sister, brother and I could go to Catholic school and have food to eat and vacation in Colorado.

Making money isn’t wrong…it’s what is DONE with the $. Examples include forcing taxpayers to pay for abortion. Or instead of housing veterans, wasting money on research of the effects of something on something.
 
irishpatrick said:
So Christian that she not only supports the slaughter of innocents, she works tirelessly to keep it legal.

So Christian that she thinks that the millenniums old institution of marriage should allow same sex couples to marry, despite the fact that the Bible and all mainline faiths (until very recently) are/were against it.

So Christian that she seems to think the sin of lying does not apply to her.

So Christian that she recently said, “And deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.” Toss out those Bibles and Catechisms folks.
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Well first of all lets make one thing perfectly clear. HilIary Clinton is a Methodist and the UMC is considered a Christian community by the CC.

Ok now that we have that out of the way…

I know her particular Christian denomination recently did not re-adopt it’s official position in support of of Roe v Wade. But it is important to note that in her Christian faith community, “the Church’s statements on social issues, such as abortion, represent the effort of the General Conference to speak to human issues in the contemporary world from a sound biblical and theological foundation. They are intended to be instructive and persuasive, but they are not church law and are not binding on members. Members will hold differing views on abortion. There is no requirement for members to agree with the Church’s view.”

umc.org/what-we-believe/what-is-the-united-methodist-position-on-abortion

And I doubt very much that Hillary Clinton supports the slaughter of children. She has been a tireless advocate for children’s health care. More likely as with most pro choice Americans that I know of, she may simply support a woman’s right to make the final decision with regard to abortion and her own body. While not supporting a government so big that it sticks it’s nose in such a deeply personal matter between she and God, and her family and her doctors. And not all Christian faith communities hold to the position on abortion, Roe, and women’s reproductive rts that the CC does. And those women no less have the religious liberty to follow their particular faith community’s views just as Catholic women have the rt to abide by their faith’s dictates and to not seek an abortion. And in HRC’s Christian community, as explained above, members may hold different views.

And with regard to SSM, the UMC voted at its General Conference meeting this yr to further studying the issue. But true, other mainline Christians in their ongoing effort to discern and understand a book written 2000 yrs ago, following their discernment of the issue and of Scripture, have reached different understandings than others.
 
jediliz said:
So, now making a living is not allowed? :confused:

Both my parents worked when I was a child. Both are retired. They made $ while working so my sister, brother and I could go to Catholic school and have food to eat and vacation in Colorado.

Making money isn’t wrong…it’s what is DONE with the $. Examples include forcing taxpayers to pay for abortion. Or instead of housing veterans, wasting money on research of the effects of something on something.
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If all you care about is making money, than, yes, it is wrong.

My mother.also worked so that I could go to a Catholic school (without vouchers, btw). We only had meat (hamburger) once a week. I have fed my kids rice that I picked bugs out of. I can pretty much match any one on the how poor were we ****.

I have also made a lot of money, although no where near as much as Mr Trump. Making money or not making money is not the issue, it is what you do with the money that is the issue.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Well first of all lets make one thing perfectly clear. HilIary Clinton is a Methodist and the UMC is considered a Christian community by the CC.

Ok now that we have that out of the way…

I know her particular Christian denomination recently did not re-adopt it’s official position in support of of Roe v Wade.
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The legislation’s rationale states that RCRC “is a one-sided political lobby that opposes all disapproval or limitation of abortion. RCRC’s advocacy often directly contradicts our Social Principles on abortion, but it still uses our Church’s name. Several annual conferences and many United Methodist leaders have urged the Church to end all association with RCRC.”
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lifenews.com/2016/05/20/united-methodist-church-quits-pro-abortion-coalition-after-years-of-promoting-abortion/

Hillary is part of the RCRC Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.
 
The one major disappointment was the decision to remain a part of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. This victory was hard-fought by the liberals and through lobbying efforts by representatives of the RCRC.According to John Lomperis of National Right to Life, a key to victory was a decision to schedule the RCRC vote when the 100-plus African delegates were not present. The African delegates are more conservative than the Americans, which is true for many American Protestant leaderships that have moved to the left. This apparent disenfranchisement of the Africans gave the liberals the victory they needed. It’s a shame that the RCRC vote failed, but it was also surprisingly (and refreshingly) close.
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Mark Tooley told me that this was “the closest margin ever.” He said if not for the missing 100 African delegates, the resolution to leave RCRC “would have passed.”
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He says confidently, “We’ll win next time.” So, what does all of this mean for Hillary? There’s no issue on which Hillary Clinton is more radical than abortion. She is already to the left of the UMC leadership on the issue. No doubt she is not pleased with these changes, which may isolate her even more. John Wesley, who helped launch Methodism in the 18th century, would be elated, so perhaps his corpse can begin returning to its original position in his grave. But Hillary Clinton, like Barack Obama, may be forced to publicly rebuke her church for its latest actions.
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Read more at: nationalreview.com/article/224783/hillarys-church-troubles-paul-kengor
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Apparently Hillary knows whats best for the black community in her congregation also like she did when her and her husband in 2001 achieved the title of worlds largest penal system for blacks.

One might ask what she will do next for these obviously very good people in the realm of institutional racism.
 
Well one thing is for sure…probably by this time next year…if the Dems win then Repub. supporters here will be saying “you got what you deserve”…if Repubs win then Dems here will be saying “you got what you deserve”…personally I don’t believe we deserve either…I don’t vote Dem…especially for HRC…I do vote Repub but have a hard time voting for that little tin god…DT…I don’t trust either of them so am seriously thinking of sitting this one out
 
GaryTaylor said:
lifenews.com/2016/05/20/united-methodist-church-quits-pro-abortion-coalition-after-years-of-promoting-abortion/

Hillary is part of the RCRC Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.
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Maybe you missed it. But from my understanding above of the UMC’s Christian perspective, she is not forbidden to be so in order to remain a faithful UM Christian. I can understand though as someone from the Catholic tradition, that mainline Protestants allowing some freedom of reason on such matters can be difficult for some to understand.
 
Peebo said:
Well one thing is for sure…probably by this time next year…if the Dems win then Repub. supporters here will be saying “you got what you deserve”…if Repubs win then Dems here will be saying “you got what you deserve”…personally I don’t believe we deserve either…I don’t vote Dem…especially for HRC…I do vote Repub but have a hard time voting for that little tin god…DT…I don’t trust either of them so am seriously thinking of sitting this one out
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I don’t think you’d be alone. But I do wonder how we got here. The two major party candidates we have are those most Americans distrust the most. Surely that must say something about the state of our country.
 
In addition to all the other behaviors that make Trump a horrid presidential candidate, he has a ghoulish history of touchdown dancing after every act of terror.

A person running for the United States presidency is given one of the most visible platforms on earth. Donald has chosen to use that platform to respond to terrorist attacks not with measured statesmanship, but as though he’s just scored the game-winning touchdown.

Under the auspices of “concern” that the US is not being “smart” about terror, Donald implies that he is smart; that he alone has the capability to stop global terror. Under the auspices of “concern” for people, he warns that it’s only going to get worse.

On the one hand, he feeds fear that more terror is to come. On the other, he promises to assuage that fear with his leadership. And right in the middle os this rhetoric is a sickening celebration that he’s right about how dangerous the world is and a revolting glee that more death has proved him right. His gruesome tweets—and commentary at his incendiary campaign engenders—create a feedback loop of terror.

In a nutshell, Trump thrives on fear, and he exploits death.
 
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