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styrgwillidar said:
Just to be clear- there are two lists, the terror watch list and the no-fly list. The terror list is in excess of a million people. The no-fly list is much smaller. The folks on the terror watch list that aren’t on the no-fly list can buy airline tickets and travel-- they may only notice a bit more screening. There is no way to know if you’re on the terror watch list, as I understand it you can even buy a firearm – but the FBI will receive a notification you did.
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If what you are saying is the case, then this is the most stupid thing that Obama has caused to be implemented. Think about it, terror watch lists of people that are under scrutiny are allowed to fly? The TSA agents at the airport are supposed to give a boosted “scrutiny”? LOL! If the named person is unable to “know” they are on a terror watch list but get extra attention at the airport and can still get firearms and a pizza, there is something troubling about our ability to “watch”. The no-fly list is smaller and the named person will find out when they present themselves for a ticket. Stupid!!

The FBI will be notified if a “terror-watched” buys a firearm - is that by email or snail mail - maybe a phone call.

Who benefits from both of these lists if they are not being used for finding dangerous people? The airline might keep from having their plane destroyed but the passengers are not made safe. Communication is evidently too tasking for those in charge.
Who’s in charge? Sorry I asked. :mad:

P.S. How much $ is this costing?
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
The problem with this whole thing is should the man who committed the terror in Orlando be on that terror list. He was born in the US to parents of immigrants with no prior criminal record. What criteria should one have used to deny this person weaponry?

Should the criteria be:

US citizens (regardless of prior criminal record) with parents of immigrants

That seems wrong to me. If you agree that is wrong, what is the proposed solution?
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Child porn is already a crime.

We can ban terrorism porn, which are Web sites where people go to learn how to kill infidels.
 
grotto said:
If what you are saying is the case, then this is the most stupid thing that Obama has caused to be implemented. Think about it, terror watch lists of people that are under scrutiny are allowed to fly? The TSA agents at the airport are supposed to give a boosted “scrutiny”? LOL! If the named person is unable to “know” they are on a terror watch list but get extra attention at the airport and can still get firearms and a pizza, there is something troubling about our ability to “watch”.
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I think the point is, they are being watched. There is nothing conclusive to tie them to any crime or criminal intent. So given that, what can the government legitimately do.

If the FBI gets intelligence that a Mohammed Jafar met with a Saudi national who has terrorist contacts, they will put the name ‘Joe Smith’ on the terror watch list. So everyone who has that name will get some extra examination when try and board an airplane. It could be a totally different person with that name, the FBI would not know one way or the other. Heck, even Sen Ted Kennedy got stopped that way, he was flagged for extra security because a ‘T. Kennedy’ was on the watch list.
 
This system is totally not good. They can’t keep track of any watched terrorist or the Islamic terrorist and whoever else he was keeping in touch with would have been caught cold long before this attack. Who has not been in charge and hurting America? Who are the people who are doing their worst to destroy the 2nd Amendment and take away the right of Americans to keep and bear arms - to defend ourselves. The one with the job is not. and has not. been doing that.
 
grotto said:
If what you are saying is the case, then this is the most stupid thing that Obama has caused to be implemented. Think about it, terror watch lists of people that are under scrutiny are allowed to fly? The TSA agents at the airport are supposed to give a boosted “scrutiny”? LOL! If the named person is unable to “know” they are on a terror watch list but get extra attention at the airport and can still get firearms and a pizza, there is something troubling about our ability to “watch”. The no-fly list is smaller and the named person will find out when they present themselves for a ticket. Stupid!!

The FBI will be notified if a “terror-watched” buys a firearm - is that by email or snail mail - maybe a phone call.

Who benefits from both of these lists if they are not being used for finding dangerous people? The airline might keep from having their plane destroyed but the passengers are not made safe. Communication is evidently too tasking for those in charge.
Who’s in charge? Sorry I asked. :mad:

P.S. How much $ is this costing?
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No idea how much its costing-- but if they’ve actually prevented 10 or so Orlandos, perhaps its been worth it.

Realize-- there is no set criteria for putting someone on the list. It may simply be attending a rally, having interacted with someone the FBI is watching. It includes people that the FBI doesn’t have solid information they’re a threat and are still investigating. Membership in an organization that DHS decided to label a potential source of ‘right wing terrorism’ like an anti-abortion group as Ridgerunner mentioned.

As I understand it, the FBI notification is an automated notification from the NICS system itself, I could be wrong though-- I only know what I’ve read.

BTW- the airlines do get a notice that someone on the list is flying and they do get additional scrutiny (its how some people found out they were on the terror list, they were getting the extra screening every time they flew, it was obviously not random)
 
If the NRA plan is to prevent those on the terror watch list from being weapons, I don’t know why we wouldn’t do this. After all, the NRA controls the GOP politicians and the Democrats will go for it, so let’s do it and see if it works.
 
The system of profiling (profiling is a perfectly appropriate method of seeking out an enemy) and placing names on watch or no fly lists is not enough. Using the information would be a start.

The TV commercial of armed bank robbers entering the bank, people terrorized on the floor, and the uniformed man answers the customer’s plea to DO something! He answers, “Oh, I am not a security guard, I am a security monitor!” (pause for canned laughter) …
The FBI and Homeland Security are being directed to follow orders from the President.
 
grotto said:
The system of profiling (profiling is a perfectly appropriate method of seeking out an enemy) and placing names on watch or no fly lists is not enough. Using the information would be a start.

The TV commercial of armed bank robbers entering the bank, people terrorized on the floor, and the uniformed man answers the customer’s plea to DO something! He answers, “Oh, I am not a security guard, I am a security monitor!” (pause for canned laughter) …
The FBI and Homeland Security are being directed to follow orders from the President.
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This is more totally absolutely correct than most readers imagine.

Reference the Obama administration’s program Countering Violent Extremism. To sum up, Countering Violent Extremism is specifically named to leave out “Islamic,” “Muslim,” “Al-Qaeda.” No reference.

Countering Violent Extremism – specifically, purposely – does not mention the kind of terrorism that’s happening in this country. And it’s specifically and purposeful. And one of the things that we uncovered yesterday was that the FBI is not permitted to independently investigate Muslim neighborhoods, communities, mosques, or what have you. They’re not allowed to independently gather intelligence! **They cannot even use what militant Islamists post on Facebook and other social media. **

This guy did it in Orlando, and the San Bernardino Two. They posted their intentions on social media! The FBI was not allowed to use it. The only way the FBI can use that is if a representative from an Islamic or Muslim community reaches out to them and says, “Hey, there’s something going on here that we think you should know about.” I can’t tell you the email reaction I got to that all afternoon yesterday and last. You had no idea. Let’s go to the audio sound bites.

Last night on The Kelly File, Megyn Kelly spoke with James Kallstrom, who used to run the New York office of the FBI and is a founding director of the Marine Corps-Law Enforcement Foundation. And she was asking him about the FBI’s investigating Omar Siddiqui Mateen and then ending the investigation. She said what’s going on here in why is the FBI not getting these guys even though they’re being told – even though they’re on the radar?

KALLSTROM: Get this wet blanket of political correctness off the backs of law enforcement, off the backs of the FBI. Last time I was on with you, Megyn, I got about 35 jobs from agents who are on the job at different levels saying, “Boy, you hit the nail on the head.” The rules of engagement, what the bureau is being told about what they can do and what they can’t do. They can’t go sniffing around anything to do with Muslims. They can’t go around to mosques. They can’t do things that they would normally do. I’m not talking things that are off the charts. I’m talking about things that normally would be done. But the orders have come down from the White House.
 
There simply isn’t the Will to change anything ,even if you bumped off 1000 in one day
 
Mr. Trump is now back in the United States, so we can bring ourselves up to date on his discussions with NRA.
 
I hope that the GOP can accept the ban on gun sales to potential terrorists. I am a conservative and I support the ban.
 
anon67074017 said:
I hope that the GOP can accept the ban on gun sales to potential terrorists. I am a conservative and I support the ban.
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The GOP did support the ban. They just required the TSC to prove to a judge within 72 hours that a person whose name is on the list should indeed be deprived of an enumerated Constitutional right.
 
bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/24/fed-place-people-terror-watch-lists-meet-quotas/

Well, there’s an interesting way to lose both your 2A rights as well as your 5A rights to due process. Government employee adding you to a list to make his quota for the month…

"The air marshals, whose identities are being concealed, told 7NEWS that they’re required to submit at least one report a month. If they don’t, there’s no raise, no bonus, no awards and no special assignments.

“Innocent passengers are being entered into an international intelligence database as suspicious persons, acting in a suspicious manner on an aircraft … and they did nothing wrong,” said one federal air marshal."
 
Good_Tidings said:
Crickets! That was last week. On to more important things this week.
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Things are backing up. Do we want to know how Trump feels about the abortion case first? Or the NRA meeting? Or perhaps his conversation to Christianity?
 
Crossbones said:
Things are backing up. Do we want to know how Trump feels about the abortion case first? Or the NRA meeting? Or perhaps his conversation to Christianity?
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I suspect his self serving needs take priority
 
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