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Hopefully Trump will pick Mike Pence as his running mate. He sounds like a real winner:
Pence Is Practically Begging to be Veep
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James Hohmann: “One of the bigger knocks on Mike Pence when he was in the House, whispered privately among some leading lights of the conservative movement, was that he comes across as inauthentic and a little phony. As a former radio host, he still sometimes talks with a bit of an affect and he’s prone to hyperbole. Lavishing over-the-top praise on Donald Trump over recent days in an effort to become his running-mate will only cement this perception.”
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“For example, Pence declared last night that, ‘Trump understands the frustrations and the hopes of the American people like no other American leader in my lifetime since Ronald Reagan.’ This is a laughable comment when you consider that he endorsed Ted Cruz on April 29—just 10 weeks ago!—ahead of the Indiana primary. If Pence actually believes the above to be true, why didn’t he endorse Trump then?”
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“Pence risks looking desperate as he all but pleads for the job. During their joint appearance outside Indianapolis, it felt at times like the governor wants to be rescued from having to stand for reelection this November.”
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politicalwire.com/2016/07/13/pence-is-practically-begging-to-be-veep/
 
Maybe Gingrich, he said he would pick someone great on the issues and a great debater. Said he was tired of the HIllary attack machine and crooked Hillary dialogue, he had hoped she could remain on point without all the hoop la. The democrats are having an emotional tantrum and Bernie submitting to Hillary didn’t help. They are “hoping” his 20% followers come to Hillary. But…
What followed was an avalanche of angry tweets, blogs and other social media posts from those who had been feeling the ‘Bern’ – and now just feel burned.
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In New York, Monroe County Sanders activist Kevin Sweeney told the Democrat & Chronicle he’s shifting his donations to Green Party candidate Jill Stein. “A lot of Bernie supporters are making $27 donations to Jill Stein’s campaign today,” he said.
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foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/13/sanders-supporters-lash-out-following-clinton-endorsement.html
 
GaryTaylor said:
Maybe Gingrich, he said he would pick someone great on the issues and a great debater. Said he was tired of the HIllary attack machine and crooked Hillary dialogue, he had hoped she could remain on point without all the hoop la. The democrats are having an emotional tantrum and Bernie submitting to Hillary didn’t help. They are “hoping” his 20% followers come to Hillary. But…

foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/13/sanders-supporters-lash-out-following-clinton-endorsement.html
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Yeah, this is Bernie country here in the West. I think the mainstream majority of Bernie people will definitely go with Hillary, say approx 70% of his supporters. But there is a sizable chunk, younger, more hardcore “anti-establishment” that really don’t have any use for Hillary. They tend to be much less engaged in the political process, etc. It is quite reasonable to assume that this group will not vote. I also think that in other parts of the country there will be some working class cross over from Bernie to Trump. Working class, rust belt, mainly white, but some blacks, Hispanics (!). (The media pushes the anti-Trump message much more than the people; also people are afraid to say they would vote for Trump) There will be I predict a Bernie burn on Clinton. But Trump has his NeverTrump burn too, so who knows. Though Evangelicals are on board for Trump nicely, actually stronger than Romney by about 5% right now (no surprise - Mormon thing was downplayed/misunderstood by conservatives in 2012). It will just depend on those swing votes in the swing states…who does what.
 
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Do you or anyone else know what kind of governor Mike Pence has been, that is, how is he perceived by voters in his home state of Indiana, Republican and Democrat? I assume his views are quite conservative.
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Will it be Mike Pence? Anthony Zurcher, BBC News, Washington
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If there’s anything resembling a “safe” vice-presidential pick for Donald Trump, Mike Pence is it. He has executive experience as Indiana’s governor and a strong legislative resume from his 12 years as a member of the US House of Representatives.
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While in Washington, he chaired the Republican Study Group, a coalition of hard-core conservatives, which gives him solid bona fides among the grass-roots Tea Party wing of the party that has occasional doubts about Mr Trump’s ideological purity.
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Mr Pence also hails from the mid-west, which Mr Trump’s team has identified as perhaps the key battleground in his quest for the White House.
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In Republican circles Mr Pence’s record isn’t entirely clean, however. Some on the right have criticised the governor for backing down when the state’s “religious liberty” law was challenged by LGBT activists and local businesses last year.
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Mr Pence’s decision to expand government health-care coverage for Indiana’s poor is also considered ideological heresy by some.
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The real question, however, is whether Mr Pence has the rhetorical dexterity to both fulfil the traditional running-mate role of political attack dog on the stump and the nominee’s most ardent defender.
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He is not considered the most gifted speaker, and anyone who shares Mr Trump’s ticket will need to be able to skilfully explain away his more controversial statements with some measure of believability.
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Mr Pence has been testing his voice over the past few days, calling Mr Trump “a fighter, a builder and a patriot” in a fiery speech Tuesday night. Now it’s up to Mr Trump - and his family advisors - to decide if he’s the man Trump wants to go into battle with.
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This is a very tough decision - the VP I think could make or break Trump. The loss of Kasich is a blow. This guy sounds safe which will reassure conservatives, a little squishy, which might draw independents, moderates? (make conservatives nervous?) He does not sound like a fighter - Christie, Gingrich type. I would be ok with it I guess, but I don’t know much about him and I have not seen Pence speak that I recall, not in an interview even.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
bbc.com/news/election-2016-36787339

This is a very tough decision - the VP I think could make or break Trump. The loss of Kasich is a blow. This guy sounds safe which will reassure conservatives, a little squishy, which might draw independents, moderates? (make conservatives nervous?) He does not sound like a fighter - Christie, Gingrich type. I would be ok with it I guess, but I don’t know much about him and I have not seen Pence speak that I recall, not in an interview even.
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From the little I heard Pence speak when he introduced Trump in Indiana, he seems competent enough albeit not terribly exciting. His views appear to be basically Midwestern conservative, which is a selling point to the GOP base. His slight departures from the conservative mold, as the above article mentions, are probably not enough to cause much worry among grassroots constituents, nor, however, are they enough to draw in many moderate supporters IMO. He pales beside Christie and Gingrich if Trump wants a VP candidate who will serve as an attack dog in the campaign. The only other politician who can carry out this function well, that I can think of, is Sarah Palin, but we won’t go there.

Thanks for the information.
 
This CNN article discusses about in the event the Supreme Court had to judge on the presidential election, Ruth Bader Ginsburg would, “likely have to recuse herself”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-recuse/index.html

What about if she is still on the court and Donald Trump becomes president and a case or cases involving his administration end up going before the Supreme Court - would she probably have to recuse herself in any case involving a Trump administration?
 
_Abyssinia said:
This CNN article discusses about in the event the Supreme Court had to judge on the presidential election, Ruth Bader Ginsburg would, “likely have to recuse herself”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-recuse/index.html

What about if she is still on the court and Donald Trump becomes president and a case or cases involving his administration end up going before the Supreme Court - would she probably have to recuse herself in any case involving a Trump administration?
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Possibly she would have to recuse herself. But I think it is better to take it one step at a time rather than speculating on what might happen. First, the VP picks and the election.
 
_Abyssinia said:
This CNN article discusses about in the event the Supreme Court had to judge on the presidential election, Ruth Bader Ginsburg would, “likely have to recuse herself”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/13/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-recuse/index.html

What about if she is still on the court and Donald Trump becomes president and a case or cases involving his administration end up going before the Supreme Court - would she probably have to recuse herself in any case involving a Trump administration?
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Ginsburg has demeaned the court by overtly politicizing herself.

At least the pretense of judicial impartiality is being laid to rest now.
 
Arthur Hellman, a judicial ethics expert at the University of Pittsburgh’s law school, said in an interview that no Supreme Court justice in history has ever injected himself or herself into the political process like this and that it’s “very troubling from an ethical perspective” . . .
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The Supreme Court was already figuring into the election even before this conflict. Justice Antonin Scalia unexpectedly died in February and the Republican-controlled Senate is refusing to have confirmation hearings for Merrick Garland, President Barack Obama’s chosen replacement.
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Republicans argue it should be up to the next president to fill the vacancy. Given the ages of some of the current justices (i.e., Justices Ginsburg (age 83), Breyer (77), and Kennedy (79),** the next president could make several appointments during his or her term.** In May, Trump took the unusual step of releasing a list of people he would consider choosing if he is elected.
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cbc.ca/news/world/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-under-fire-for-dumb-trump-criticism-1.3677904

I don’t consider this news story part of the “Donald Trump Thread” because U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg made the charged political comments.

It’s amazing there is no Code of Ethics for U.S. Supreme Court Justices. :eek:

Justices and Judges are politicians too.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Ginsburg has demeaned the court by overtly politicizing herself.

At least the pretense of judicial impartiality is being laid to rest now.
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The appearance of impartiality has always been a pretense. Do you really think that the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore in 2000 which gave Bush the presidency was an impartial one?
 
Thorolfr said:
The appearance of impartiality has always been a pretense. Do you really think that the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore in 2000 which gave Bush the presidency was an impartial one?
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I think that now there is not even the pretense.
Checks and balances require that the Supreme Court actually believe in their impartiality, even if nobody is without bias. That is no longer even remembered as an ideal to aspire to.

Rehashing something that was controversial 16 years ago is something that you will have to find another partner to play that game with.
 
Just saw something interesting in the Washington Post. Among the celebrities that will be at the Republican convention next week is Caitlyn Jenner. It doesn’t say if she’s going to speak or not.
 
Thorolfr said:
Just saw something interesting in the Washington Post. Among the celebrities that will be at the Republican convention next week is Caitlyn Jenner. It doesn’t say if she’s going to speak or not.
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Are you mistaken? Because this article says, “Caitlyn Jenner is heading to Cleveland – not for the Republican National Convention, but instead to be a celebrity guest at an LGBT brunch”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/09/politics/caitlyn-jenner-rnc-montel-williams-republican-national-convention-american-unity/

Interestingly, this article says Jenner supported Cruz before supporting Trump.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Are you mistaken? Because this article says, “Caitlyn Jenner is heading to Cleveland – not for the Republican National Convention, but instead to be a celebrity guest at an LGBT brunch”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/09/politics/caitlyn-jenner-rnc-montel-williams-republican-national-convention-american-unity/

Interestingly, this article says Jenner supported Cruz before supporting Trump.
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Maybe Jenner isn’t going to the convention, too, although she is a Republican (which I will never understand).
 
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