Donald Trump Thread

[meltzerboy]

Are you mistaken? Because this article says, “Caitlyn Jenner is heading to Cleveland – not for the Republican National Convention, but instead to be a celebrity guest at an LGBT brunch”: edition.cnn.com/2016/07/09/politics/caitlyn-jenner-rnc-montel-williams-republican-national-convention-american-unity/

Interestingly, this article says Jenner supported Cruz before supporting Trump.

LOL Now I’m beginning to think Caitlyn Jenner is indeed disturbed if she supported both Cruz and Trump.

 

[sallybutler]

Maybe Jenner isn’t going to the convention, too, although she is a Republican (which I will never understand).

Many people are Republicans for financial reasons, not religious reasons.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

The appearance of impartiality has always been a pretense. Do you really think that the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore in 2000 which gave Bush the presidency was an impartial one?

Bush won the recounts … and the Dems ONLY wanted to recount the districts where they lost.

There were like eight recounts. Bush won them.

Florida finally certified the count as was their duty.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Ginsburg has demeaned the court by overtly politicizing herself.

At least the pretense of judicial impartiality is being laid to rest now.

Ginsburg should have not expressed an opinion.

But trump’s tweets about it confirm to me how thin skinned he really is.

5 tweets (that I counted). Phrases like “Her mind is shot” “Big mistake by an incompetent judge”

Why can’t he disagree with her without using ad hominems? Especially “her mind is shot” is it because she’s older? And 5 tweets. Why not ignore it, or make one statement and then move on.

How is this proof of being a great negotiator?

 

[tomarin]

Why can’t he disagree with her without using ad hominems? Especially “her mind is shot” is it because she’s older? And 5 tweets. Why not ignore it, or make one statement and then move on.

Because he’s all id and a compulsive trash talker and bully. She should not have inserted herself into the conversation, however.

 

[queenofheartscv]

Ginsburg should have not expressed an opinion.

But trump’s tweets about it confirm to me how thin skinned he really is.

5 tweets (that I counted). Phrases like “Her mind is shot” “Big mistake by an incompetent judge”

Why can’t he disagree with her without using ad hominems? Especially “her mind is shot” is it because she’s older? And 5 tweets. Why not ignore it, or make one statement and then move on.

How is this proof of being a great negotiator?

My take is that there is a time to fight and a time to negotiate. Trump fights like a boxer in the ring and goes for a knock out because his eyes are set on the prize, just like how he won over 16 competitors in the primary. Keep in mind that unless trump himself makes noise about this, the media would have let it slide. Since he’s running a campaign themed on a rigged system and corruption from top down, Ginsburgs statement comes as a salient example of what trump has railed Against. To say her mind is shot is not unreasonable because a wise judge wouldn’t have done what she did. She put herself in a hard position where one day she might have to recuse herself in important cases–not a decision made by a wise mind at all.

 

[TMC]

Do you or anyone else know what kind of governor Mike Pence has been, that is, how is he perceived by voters in his home state of Indiana, Republican and Democrat? I assume his views are quite conservative.

Very conservative. Not sure on his popularity. I have read that even though Indiana is pretty solidly red, he is facing a tough re-election bid. The thinking seems to be that he would rather take a shot at VP and let former governor Mitch Daniels (who is more moderate) run for governor.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ginsburg should have not expressed an opinion.

But trump’s tweets about it confirm to me how thin skinned he really is.

5 tweets (that I counted). Phrases like “Her mind is shot” “Big mistake by an incompetent judge”

Why can’t he disagree with her without using ad hominems? Especially “her mind is shot” is it because she’s older? And 5 tweets. Why not ignore it, or make one statement and then move on.

How is this proof of being a great negotiator?

As between using a bit of hyperbole in responding to a gratuitous political attack by one who is supposed to refrain from politicking as a matter of judicial ethics, I would say the latter is far more egregious and, frankly, deserved what it got.

 

[gilliam]

(CNN)Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Thursday she regrets remarks she made earlier this week to CNN and other outlets criticizing presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

“On reflection, my recent remarks in response to press inquiries were ill-advised and I regret making them,” Ginsburg said in a statement. “Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future I will be more circumspect.”

cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-i-regret-making-donald-trump-remarks/index.html

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

My take is that there is a time to fight and a time to negotiate. Trump fights like a boxer in the ring and goes for a knock out because his eyes are set on the prize, just like how he won over 16 competitors in the primary. Keep in mind that unless trump himself makes noise about this, the media would have let it slide. Since he’s running a campaign themed on a rigged system and corruption from top down, Ginsburgs statement comes as a salient example of what trump has railed Against. To say her mind is shot is not unreasonable because a wise judge wouldn’t have done what she did. She put herself in a hard position where one day she might have to recuse herself in important cases–not a decision made by a wise mind at all.

You see him as a boxer?

He often reminds me of my kids when they were small. “Sister took my toy!” “oh no, Brother is a poopiehead!”

Pretend that Judge Ginsburg really did have a mental ailment, it isn’t charitable or presidential to say “her mind is shot.” It’s a slur and an insult to those who actually have dementia.

 

[meltzerboy]

Ginsburg should have not expressed an opinion.

But trump’s tweets about it confirm to me how thin skinned he really is.

5 tweets (that I counted). Phrases like “Her mind is shot” “Big mistake by an incompetent judge”

Why can’t he disagree with her without using ad hominems? Especially “her mind is shot” is it because she’s older? And 5 tweets. Why not ignore it, or make one statement and then move on.

How is this proof of being a great negotiator?

I agree. And I would add this says a lot about Trump’s personality: immature at the least, somewhat disturbed from a clinical point of view. Give this kind of personality the power of the presidency and all bets are off.

At the same time, I do not condone what Ginsburg did, which was foolish to say the least.

 

[_Abyssinia]

(CNN)Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Thursday she regrets remarks she made earlier this week to CNN and other outlets criticizing presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

“On reflection, my recent remarks in response to press inquiries were ill-advised and I regret making them,” Ginsburg said in a statement. “Judges should avoid commenting on a candidate for public office. In the future I will be more circumspect.”

cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-i-regret-making-donald-trump-remarks/index.html

She regrets it, but I think there are still questions surrounding whether she would recuse herself from any rulings that involved a Trump administration, if he did become U.S. President.

 

[TMC]

As between using a bit of hyperbole in responding to a gratuitous political attack by one who is supposed to refrain from politicking as a matter of judicial ethics, I would say the latter is far more egregious and, frankly, deserved what it got.

We don’t agree on everything. OK, we don’t agree on much. But I agree with you here. I understand Justice Ginsburg’s feelings about Trump. I mostly agree with her. She should not be speaking out like this.

One interesting point on the politicization of the SC. The older Justices seem more actively political than the younger. Scalia also said things in public I thought he shouldn’t (none as egregious as Ginsburg’s latest.) Alito had his famous issues with the State of the Union. But the “newer” Justices seem to be taking a lower profile. Is that because they are new, or are they trying to be less overtly political? I hope its the latter.

 

[gilliam]

Ok she regrets it, but still, would she recuse herself from any rulings that involved a Trump administration, if he did become U.S. President?

She doesn’t have a history of recusing herself over items like this. And there is history for not doing so. There was no mystery that Chief Justice Taney hated Abraham Lincoln. He didn’t recuse himself.

 

[queenofheartscv]

I agree. And I would add this says a lot about Trump’s personality: immature at the least, somewhat disturbed from a clinical point of view. Give this kind of personality the power of the presidency and all bets are off.

At the same time, I do not condone what Ginsburg did, which was foolish to say the least.

Why is it immature to stand up for yourself? Why is it better to be a gentle victim when you can win the fight? Trump is clearly not the wrong guy here and yet the wagon is always circled back to how bad he is. why can’t we have a leader who is not afraid to fight for what’s right each and every time instead of hem-hawing useless rhetoric of political correctness, getting nothing done while the country slips down the drain?

 

[meltzerboy]

Why is it immature to stand up for yourself? Why is it better to be a gentle victim when you can win the fight? Trump is clearly not the wrong guy here and yet the wagon is always circled back to how bad he is. why can’t we have a leader who is not afraid to fight for what’s right each and every time instead of hem-hawing useless rhetoric of political correctness, getting nothing done while the country slips down the drain?

Diplomacy is also a virtue.

In the words of the great philosopher, Kenny Rogers, “You’ve got to know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away.”

 

[_Abyssinia]

She doesn’t have a history of recusing herself over items like this. And there is history for not doing so. There was no mystery that Chief Justice Taney hated Abraham Lincoln. He didn’t recuse himself.

And there were cases invoing the Lincoln administration that went before the a Supreme Court while Chief Justice Taney ruled on those cases, and this justice hated him?

What about what is cited in this article, 28 U.S. Code 455, “Any justice, judge or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.”

 

[GaryTaylor]

I thought only the law was to be considered. The fact one thinks in more liberal or a conservative view is one thing but this has escalated to a point of political involvement. The job is “blind justice” not my liberal flavored justice. How has that helped anything? Every time she rules now that doubt of credibility looms.

We can’t fix Hillarys own systemic justice system racism like that. Just sayin.

 

[meltzerboy]

I though only the law was to be considered. The fact one thinks in more liberal or a conservative view is one thing but this has escalated to a point of political involvement. The job is “blind justice” not my liberal flavored justice. How hace that help anything? Every time she rules now that doubt of credibility looms.

We can’t fix the Hillarys own systemic racism like that. Just sayin.

Oh, I think the doubt of credibility on the Supreme Court has already been established, sadly.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Trump leads Clinton by 7 points: Rasmussen poll

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/287695-poll-trump-leads-clinton-by-7-points

Poll: Clinton, Trump tied nationally

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/poll-gary-johnson-libertarian-party-debate-threshold-new-york-times